At what stage does one start to loose weight?

Filan

Now running almost 3 weeks, started out at 1.5 miles and now up to around 3 most days...while I am getting fit...I've yet to loose weight....I'm around 13 stone or at times a fraction over.

ntlbell

Filan wrote: »

Now running almost 3 weeks, started out at 1.5 miles and now up to around 3 most days...while I am getting fit...I've yet to loose weight....I'm around 13 stone or at times a fraction over.

maybe you should list your diet?

1.5 miles only burns off about 150 cal's

eat a mars bar and your run is gone.

EileenG

You lose weight when calories out is higher than calories in. Exercise makes you hungry, so it's very hard to lose weight by exercise alone, you have to combine it with diet.

There was a study where they took a group of couch potatoes and trained them to run a marathon. They all got super fit, and most of them finished. The men lost an average of 2kg, the women lost nothing. In general, they just ate more to accommodate the training.

legend365

cut out sat fats nd cut carbs after lunch along with ur runs nd you'll see it in 2 weeks, a month?

I've lost what ever fat was left on me because of my diet along with exercise.

But what's wrong with Saturated fats? As long as they are not trans fats, you're good to go.

legend365

Well most food products dont go into great detail...that be it truthful.

Better safe than fat.

cowzerp

Deleted User wrote: »

But what's wrong with Saturated fats? As long as they are not trans fats, you're good to go.

Saturated fats are bad for you, they clog up your arteries and lead to strokes etc, just because atkins said otherwise or other people trying to sell there diets or been ill informed say so does not make it right,trans fats are worse but people thinking sat fats are good are crazy.

ragg

Atkins was spot on with his carbs etc, but i'll be sticking to lean meats.

Anyway, off too the gym - later Dudes :cool:

cowzerp

cowzerp wrote: »

Saturated fats are bad for you, they clog up your arteries and lead to strokes etc, just because atkins said otherwise or other people trying to sell there diets or been ill informed say so does not make it right,trans fats are worse but people thinking sat fats are good are crazy.

Saturated fats are GOOD fats. They increase your testosterone levels, boost your immune system and keep your bones strong. In every study carried out on humans, where the type of fat eaten was compared with the outcome, the group eating the sat fats lived longest and were healthiest. The group eating the polyunsaturated fats had the lowest cholesterol levels but were much more likely to have a heart attack or die. In two very large scale studies on older women (one in France, one in Canada), the women who ate the most saturated fats had the longest life expectancy and were least likely to break a bone.

Transfats are the evil ones that will clog your arteries and give you heart disease.

EileenG said the above and from my research in recent times, I tend to agree with her.

kevpants

cowzerp wrote: »

Saturated fats are bad for you, they clog up your arteries and lead to strokes etc

If you can prove that I'll believe you, but I bet you can't. I know because I tried to find any evidence of it. Other than people stating it as a matter of fact there's no evidence.

EDIT: Research a guy called Ancel Keys. He is the scientist who first proclaimed saturated fats to be bad. The study he performed was hilarious.

cowzerp

kevpants wrote: »

If you can prove that I'll believe you, but I bet you can't. I know because I tried to find any evidence of it. Other than people stating it as a matter of fact there's no evidence.

This is straight from the american heart association who specialise in heart health.

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=532

kevpants

cowzerp wrote: »

This is straight from the american heart association who specialise in heart health.

http://www.americanheart.org/presenter.jhtml?identifier=532

How is that proof? It just states it as fact.

I can back mine up.

The Framingham Heart Study

Another study

More evidence here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8WA5wcaHp4

I can go on and it can be backed up by studies, yours can't. I'm not being a d1ck I used to think saturated fat was bad too but I know I was wrong.

cowzerp

Thats not proof, Do you not think the heart association have done studies to come up with there findings? there the specialists in the field and know more about heart health than anyone, also they would change there teaching if there was adequate proof.

comparing like for like, if you get someone who eats too much and eats a high sat fat diet and someone who eats too much but a low sat fat diet the high sat person will almost always have higher cholesterol, yes you can get the results to suit you when you compare a fat carb eater to a lean atkins eater but thats not like for like.

im not saying not to eat sat fats altogether but focus more on lean meats such as chicken, fish and turkey.

the simple proof is in all doctors surgerys every day when people go in and tell the doctors there diets and they all point to high saturated fat diets, the main ways to get high cholesterol are eating too much where you get fat and consuming too much sugar and saturated fat, that clip you showed was bogus and totally biased anyway, most likely the study was done by atkins or 1 of these similar type companys.

kevpants

cowzerp wrote: »

Thats not proof

A study covering thousands of subjects over many decades isn't proof? Sheesh.

cowzerp wrote: »

Do you not think the heart association have done studies to come up with there findings? there the specialists in the field and know more about heart health than anyone, also they would change there teaching if there was adequate proof.

No they don't do studies, scientists & doctors do studies. The heart association publish info and give advice. If you're asking if I believe they are wrong then I do think they're wrong yeah.

cowzerp wrote: »

comparing like for like, if you get someone who eats too much and eats a high sat fat diet and someone who eats too much but a low sat fat diet the high sat person will almost always have higher cholesterol

Sorry but I'll have to ask you to prove it. I proved my statement by linking to results from studies showing conclusively that saturated fat is not linked to blood cholesterol.

If you thought that vid was bogus I'm sorry, it's the simplest one I could find. Here's a more in depth one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awA2fsa94MI

corkcomp

i managed to bring my LDL cholesterol from 3.9 to 2.2 by significantly reducing saturated fat .. a little is okay but I wouldnt go mad .. thats proof enough for me!! .. before anyone asks I didnt make any other dietary changes other than making sure meat was lean and spreads were mainly unsaturated fats ... To those that want proof that saturated fat is really bad, isnt is safer to assume that it is until you see proof that it is good for you??

cowzerp

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9jIWOapu0A

Cancer risks proof, we can go on but this is boring-as i said, studies can be found to prove anything you want, more going against the grain because there more exciting and scientists are more keen on having new science instead of proving old already studied subjects..

BossArky

Filan wrote: »

Now running almost 3 weeks, started out at 1.5 miles and now up to around 3 most days...while I am getting fit...I've yet to loose weight....I'm around 13 stone or at times a fraction over.

Give more details:

• age
• height
• sex
• weight
• typical daily diet
• weekly exercise plan
• drinking habits

I would recommend cutting out/reducing bread, pasta, rice, fizzy drinks, alcohol, sweets, chocs, fast food, etc. edit - you don't need to have heaps of carbs with dinner/lunch. Instead have more lean meat/salad/veg.

The above are some of the major problem foods associated with lack of weight loss (imo). Combine a sensible diet with a sensible workout program and you will see progress.

So, provide more info ^.

By the way how long does the 1.5 to 3 miles take you? Maybe you need to up the time / intensity.

Do you lift weights?

EileenG

cowzerp wrote: »

Saturated fats are bad for you, they clog up your arteries and lead to strokes etc, just because atkins said otherwise or other people trying to sell there diets or been ill informed say so does not make it right,trans fats are worse but people thinking sat fats are good are crazy.

So eating eggs and beef will kill me? What did people do all down those years when we didn't know that we should be living on sunflower seeds and olives and not hunting animals? They must have been keeling over from heart attacks.

legend365

I'm not sure but wasn't the average age of death ALOT lower back then.....

Yes it was but it wasn't down to eating beef and eggs etc. It was down to things like the common cold - not having a local pharmacy - that sort of stuff.

corkcomp

EileenG wrote: »

So eating eggs and beef will kill me? What did people do all down those years when we didn't know that we should be living on sunflower seeds and olives and not hunting animals? They must have been keeling over from heart attacks.

it might also be down to the fact that they were eating a ton of fibre via vegetables, berries and whole grains .. this does make a difference to the ammount of fat build up / cholesterol ...

cowzerp

Eileen the last 2 answers say a lot about why comparing like for like does not make sense, i believe most people get fat and high cholesterol from sugary foods these days and obesity is the main cause for most ailments, fat people where rare in days gone by so the 2 are not comparable, i eat red meat most days but still feel the bulk of peoples protein should come from chicken, fish and turkey, thats my take on it without going on you tube and going with the in thing at the moment..

Brian?

cowzerp wrote: »

Eileen the last 2 answers say a lot about why comparing like for like does not make sense, i believe most people get fat and high cholesterol from sugary foods these days and obesity is the main cause for most ailments, fat people where rare in days gone by so the 2 are not comparable, i eat red meat most days but still feel the bulk of peoples protein should come from chicken, fish and turkey, thats my take on it without going on you tube and going with the in thing at the moment..

No offence man, but you kinda contradicted yourself there. Its not foods high in saturated fat that are the problem at all, its foods high in sugars i.e. carbs.

The increase in heart disease and obseity can definatly be linked to the increase of processed carbs being consumed.

cowzerp

my point all along was that saturated fat was bad for you, saying sugar is bad for you does not contradict myself and is just stating the obvious, in a good diet both would be kept to a minimum.

EileenG

cowzerp wrote: »

my point all along was that saturated fat was bad for you, saying sugar is bad for you does not contradict myself and is just stating the obvious, in a good diet both would be kept to a minimum.

Sorry, but I don't agree. In diets high in saturated fat, but low in refined carbs, you do not find high levels of heart disease or other disease. The problem is when a high sugar diet is combined with a high fat diet which typically has a lot of saturated fat as well as a lot of transfats.

If someone eats in McDonalds on a regular basis, and develops health problems, can you say for definite it's the saturated fat in the burger and not the transfats in the fries?

However, we do know that for thousands of years, humans have been eating high fat animal products like eggs, butter, beef without suffering heart disease. True, they may have eaten more fibre, but they also were far less likely to limit fat in the name of staying thin or the state of their arteries.

Parsley

Could a mod split this thread off into a fats discussion? None of this bickering is helping the OP at all...

c montgomery

Parsley wrote: »

Could a mod split this thread off into a fats discussion? None of this bickering is helping the OP at all...

Bang on!!

c montgomery

Hi OP,

I have recently (last 6 months) started running as part of a weight loss programe. So far the results are noticable but only in certain areas.
I have started to show defination in my upper body and im defo adding muscle mass.
I have done this by combining a weights programe with a good diet and running.
I do weights 2 times a week and go running 3 times a week Weights are good for losing weight as far as i have read. Running is excellent i have found and recently i have upped the intensity of the runs and this has resulted in the pounds dropping off. I still have a bit of a belly but im confident that with some stomach exercises and more running along with a good diet ill reach my goals.

Hope you reach yours soon:)