safe protein shakes???????

markos79

howdy all, ive recently started doing weights in the gym and am looking for some advice on what the best protein shake type would be for me,i dont know much about all this as its new to me but as i am trying to lose weight aswell as build muscle i dont want to put on any more weight and have been told that these protein shakes make you put weight on,is this true? i do eat foods with protein and i do check how much protein is in everything i eat but im not getting enough protein out of what i eat coz ive been told i need 200g of protein a day for my size but i dont want to over eat as that just defeats the purpose.

any advice would be welcome!!!

cheers

markos.

kmart6

Why don't you look at this huge big stickied thread all about supplements that is on the first page of the Fitness section!!!. You'll pick up some very helpful information there!

consultech

kmart6 wrote: »

Why don't you look at this huge big stickied thread all about supplements that is on the first page of the Fitness section!!!. You'll pick up some very helpful information there!

And please for the love of god try and learn a tiny tiny bit about protein shakes before posting threads with such silly titles.

markos79

Deleted User wrote: »

And please for the love of god try and learn a tiny tiny bit about protein shakes before posting threads with such silly titles.

ok no need to be a smart ass about it you seem to be a bit of a d**k!!

Khannie

Markos: You can't come on insulting people like that. Infracted.

Everyone else: Try to be nice please. We all had to start somewhere.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Just wanna point out that you shouldnt worry about putting on Weight- lean tissue is heavier than fat so by lifting weights you could end up weighing more even though your waist will be smaller and you'll have less fat. This is a good thing- you wanna look good in a mirror not on a scales

floggg

Deleted User wrote: »

And please for the love of god try and learn a tiny tiny bit about protein shakes before posting threads with such silly titles.

in fairness, if you're new to all this stuff, its very easy to have misconceptions about protein shakes and the like, so lay off the poor chap. We all start have to start somewhere.

OP - there are many types of protein shakes. Mass gainers are the ones you likley heard off, which are, funny enough, designed to make you gain weight/mass. You should stay away frfom same unless you are specifically looking to pile on the pounds.

You can get ordinary whey protein shakes, which are more or less pure protein (derived from milk). The won't make you gain "fat" on their own, although will help you add on muscle. That said, like any other food stuff, take in too much of it and your body will store it as fat.

markos79

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

Just wanna point out that you shouldnt worry about putting on Weight- lean tissue is heavier than fat so by lifting weights you could end up weighing more even though your waist will be smaller and you'll have less fat. This is a good thing- you wanna look good in a mirror not on a scales

thanks bottle of smoke your obviously one of the nicer guys around here.

cheers


markos.

markos79

floggg wrote: »

in fairness, if you're new to all this stuff, its very easy to have misconceptions about protein shakes and the like, so lay off the poor chap. We all start have to start somewhere.

OP - there are many types of protein shakes. Mass gainers are the ones you likley heard off, which are, funny enough, designed to make you gain weight/mass. You should stay away frfom same unless you are specifically looking to pile on the pounds.

You can get ordinary whey protein shakes, which are more or less pure protein (derived from milk). The won't make you gain "fat" on their own, although will help you add on muscle. That said, like any other food stuff, take in too much of it and your body will store it as fat.

cheers floggg thats what i wanted to know thanks for your advice.

kmart6

markos79 wrote: »

thanks bottle of smoke your obviously one of the nicer guys around here.

There's no need for that! I pointed you to the thread to discuss this stuff! TheEntrepreneur just took exception to the title due to the sterotype you were suggesting in it!

Take it easy mate!

Khannie

kmart6 wrote: »

There's no need for that! I pointed you to the thread to discuss this stuff! TheEntrepreneur just took exception to the title due to the sterotype you were suggesting in it!

Take it easy mate!

He got infracted and took it on the chin. Let's just drop it.

markos79

kmart6 wrote: »

There's no need for that! I pointed you to the thread to discuss this stuff! TheEntrepreneur just took exception to the title due to the sterotype you were suggesting in it!

Take it easy mate!

i am taking it easy and im not your mate!!!!!!

kmart6

Haha right whatever try move on!

Davei141

markos79 wrote: »

i am taking it easy and im not your mate!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22JIgpBVcF4

kmart6

I shouldn't be laughing...but I can't help it!

top madra

floggg wrote: »

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You can get ordinary whey protein shakes, which are more or less pure protein (derived from milk). The won't make you gain "fat" on their own, although will help you add on muscle. That said, like any other food stuff, take in too much of it and your body will store it as fat.

they will help repair your torn muscles so you can work out again sooner not add muscles,weights will add muscle,
if your new to the gym you dont really need to be wasteing your dollars on a tub of ****,

@flogg i wasnt second guessin you,just some peeps think taking protein shakes is the way to get bigger

itsallaboutheL

top madra wrote: »

they will help repair your torn muscles so you can work out again sooner not add muscles,weights will add muscle,
if your new to the gym you dont really need to be wasteing your dollars on a tub of ****,

@flogg i wasnt second guessin you,just some peeps think taking protein shakes is the way to get bigger

Fo' Sho'

floggg

top madra wrote: »

they will help repair your torn muscles so you can work out again sooner not add muscles,weights will add muscle,
if your new to the gym you dont really need to be wasteing your dollars on a tub of ****,

@flogg i wasnt second guessin you,just some peeps think taking protein shakes is the way to get bigger

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

Fo' Sho'

Thats on the fo shizzle dizzles. I was just trying to break it down for home boy, and leave the science part to the voice over guy from the loreal shampoo ads!

colly10

i am trying to lose weight aswell as build muscle i dont want to put on any more weight

When you put on muscle you will gain weight as muscle is heavy, the muscle you put on will burn fat itself. You may actually gain weight but will be in better shape, you will shrink the waist.
If your looking to gain muscle don't bother with the scales, judge your progress with your eyes.

Protein such as whey will not cause you to gain weight but will improve muscle gains as it's most likely your not getting enough in your diet. When your buying buy it from a supplement store rather than a health store cause health stores sell ****. Optimum Nutrition Gold Standard Whey would probably be a good choice for you

kevpants

Deleted User wrote: »

And please for the love of god try and learn a tiny tiny bit about protein shakes before posting threads with such silly titles.

So everyone is supposed to come to this forum pre-educated so they have the knowlege to spar with all the gurus here yeah?

Roper

kevpants wrote: »

So everyone is supposed to come to this forum pre-educated so they have the knowlege to spar with all the gurus here yeah?

Shhhh! Keep it down will you, some of us are trying to inflate egos here you know.

OP, if you're really concerned about protein intake, you should post up your diet.

kevpants

kevpants wrote: »

So everyone is supposed to come to this forum pre-educated so they have the knowlege to spar with all the gurus here yeah?

I said it once on another forum and I'll happily say it again here, if you're going to be wondering if protein shakes are safe or not, it means you haven't even done the slightest bit of research so why bother taking it? I thought the general consesus around here particularly (as it's an intelligent forum overall) was that people should get their diet sorted first before buying supplements.

Most people who take protein shakes have a bad diet to begin with and think by compensating it with some shake that all their fitness issues will go away which is wrong.

If the OP just referred to the thread which was pointed out to him in the beginning, afterall it is stickied, so he really should have noticed it. A lack of thinking and more of a knee jerk reaction if you ask me. And Roper, I don't have an ego when it comes to fitness as I'm not an expert - but I probably have an ego for most other things yeah.

Swizz

markos79 wrote: »

howdy all, ive recently started doing weights in the gym and am looking for some advice on what the best protein shake type would be for me,i dont know much about all this as its new to me but as i am trying to lose weight aswell as build muscle i dont want to put on any more weight and have been told that these protein shakes make you put weight on,is this true? i do eat foods with protein and i do check how much protein is in everything i eat but im not getting enough protein out of what i eat coz ive been told i need 200g of protein a day for my size but i dont want to over eat as that just defeats the purpose.

any advice would be welcome!!!

cheers

markos.

1g of protein per 1.5lb bodyweight a day, is the general rule of thumb. From different sources eg chicken, tuna are the obvious ones.

The protein shakes that make you put on weight are mass/weight gainers.

Get either a whey protein isolate or blend. [Eg Dymatize Elite Whey(Isolate), or Gaspari Myofusion(Blend)] If you wanna know sites where to get supplements, PM me and ill send you some links. Is money an issue?

Since your only starting youll see gains fast. Make sure to have a good diet aswell and use good form/technique in the gym and get a good nights rest.

Good luck.

kevpants

Deleted User wrote: »

I said it once on another forum and I'll happily say it again here, if you're going to be wondering if protein shakes are safe or not, it means you haven't even done the slightest bit of research so why bother taking it?

But the OP came here to do the research. He just asked a question. The myth that protein shakes are harmful isn't going to be dispelled if someone asks about them and they get told to "Get out NOOB!".

That's not a valid point, I never told anyone to get out "noob". I said if you are asking about protein shakes being safe, you have a good bit to go before you need to start wondering whether or not you should take additional protein supplements or not.

I still stand by my other point that most people have a bad diet to begin with and should avoid shakes until they eat clean, again, all can be found in the stickies and can give even the most experienced gym head (good diet included) some valuable tips to make their road to good health even better, it's a beautiful resource of essential information.

Skapoot

He asked a simple question. Why do people give negative responses. Just because this isnt being conducted face to face doesnt mean you can be rude.


Hey OP, I'm no expert on weightlifting but I did work out vigorously a few years ago.

I worked out 6 days out of 7 (taking a rest day is very important, it will speed up the muscle definition process). I think since you will be doing intense weight training however, that you should do one day intense weights, one day aerobic excercise. Oh and the most important part of working your muscles is stretching them before and after. That is the key part.

I know you didnt ask for a workout routine! So - about the protein powder etc. You can get protein powder milkshakes (delicious). Unfortunately ...Im not sure what type of protein they are.

Here at home I have Whey Protein powder. And Spirulina Pacifica Protein powder.

From looking at the ingredients, Spirulina has more protein per carb

and also spirulina has been grown without herbicides and pesticides and only has one ingredient - spirulina powder. The whey powder has a lot of other ingredients.

My advice - take a look in your local health food shop for protein powder instead of intense sport nutrition shops. The health food shop will have the healthier options.

Skapoot

Skapoot wrote: »

He asked a simple question. Why do people give negative responses. Just because this isnt being conducted face to face doesnt mean you can be rude.

And he got a simple answer. The first reply pointed him to the stickies. I'd have said the exact same thing I typed face to face as there is nothing wrong with what I said. I'm not a coward behind a keyboard. The op should post up his diet and get it sorted but the stickies are there for a reason and they should be used.

dave80

Deleted User wrote: »

And please for the love of god try and learn a tiny tiny bit about protein shakes before posting threads with such silly titles.

isnt he trying to do that by posting the thread?, so he missed the stickys big deal :rolleyes:

dean1986

protein shakes can be a bit dangerous, i know when i started using them i was getting pains in my heart, when i stoped drinking them so did the pains, then i started back on them after xmas and sure enough i start getting the pains again, ive always used the gym but the protein drinks seemed to have spured on heart pains

Skapoot

dean1986 wrote: »

protein shakes can be a bit dangerous, i know when i started using them i was getting pains in my heart, when i stoped drinking them so did the pains, then i started back on them after xmas and sure enough i start getting the pains again, ive always used the gym but the protein drinks seemed to have spured on heart pains

What protein shakes were you using?

colly10

Skapoot wrote: »

My advice - take a look in your local health food shop for protein powder instead of intense sport nutrition shops. The health food shop will have the healthier options.

Health shops sell ****e supplements, how will they have healtier options?

Skapoot

colly10 wrote: »

Health shops sell ****e supplements, how will they have healtier options?

Im presuming you get man made supplements from intense sport shops? Yes they work faster . Steroids work well too if thats what you want.

But Im talking about the safe ones. Health food shops sell organic products. Spirulina will not have an ill effect on the taker.

What is your definition of these "****e" supplements in the health food shops.

dean1986

Skapoot wrote: »

What protein shakes were you using?

maximuscle, cant remember which one, i think it was the creatine that was effecting me though because i went on to whey protein and i was fine, i know plenty of others who use it but did not have my problems though

dean1986

dean1986 wrote: »

protein shakes can be a bit dangerous, i know when i started using them i was getting pains in my heart, when i stoped drinking them so did the pains, then i started back on them after xmas and sure enough i start getting the pains again, ive always used the gym but the protein drinks seemed to have spured on heart pains

That's a pity, did you get checked out? Does the same thing happen when you eat pieces of chicken/turkey?

dean1986

Deleted User wrote: »

That's a pity, did you get checked out? Does the same thing happen when you eat pieces of chicken/turkey?

nop, i eat chickens like a horse, :pac:, its weird, i dont know anyone else that has experienced it

Skapoot

Skapoot wrote: »

Im presuming you get man made supplements from intense sport shops? Yes they work faster . Steroids work well too if thats what you want.

But Im talking about the safe ones. Health food shops sell organic products. Spirulina will not have an ill effect on the taker.

What is your definition of these "****e" supplements in the health food shops.

man made supplements from intense sport shops? Steroids? Why steroids? Why bring that up? What the hell is your definition of safe? Do you like copious amount of sugar in your over priced protein? DID YOU READ THE STICKIES? Because you badly need to, you're totally misinformed and are out of touch with the realms of reality.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Not a single notion.

Skapoot

Lol, I looked up Maximuscle. One of the ingredients is "Maxipure" ! Wtf is that!! It's hilarious!

Yeah no wonder you had trouble with that one. The ingredients aren't even real!

podge57

dean1986 wrote: »

nop, i eat chickens like a horse, :pac:, its weird, i dont know anyone else that has experienced it

I think what The Entrepreneur was getting at is that protein from powder is the same as protein from food and it isnt the protein shakes that gave you "heart pains"

Skapoot

Deleted User wrote: »

man made supplements from intense sport shops? Steroids? Why steroids? Why bring that up? What the hell is your definition of safe? Do you like copious amount of sugar in your over priced protein? DID YOU READ THE STICKIES? Because you badly need to, you're totally misinformed and are out of touch with the realms of reality.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Not a single notion.

Ammm ok. Take a breather please. On my Whey protein there is 1g of sugar to 16g of protein. Is that a copious amount in your opinion?


Also - Out out touch with the "realms of reality". Overexaggerating a tiny bit there.

colly10

Skapoot wrote: »

Im presuming you get man made supplements from intense sport shops? Yes they work faster . Steroids work well too if thats what you want.

Are you comparing protein supplements from supplement shops to steroids or are you just being sensationilist cause you think it makes your point more valid?

Skapoot wrote: »

But Im talking about the safe ones. Health food shops sell organic products. Spirulina will not have an ill effect on the taker.

There is nothing unsafe about whey, it is natural, it comes from milk. Health food shops also sell whey (it's of a lesser standard from what i've seen though)

The only issue with a high protein diet is thats it harder on the Liver as far as im aware but that bacteria supplement you take will have the same issue. Just because something is natural does not mean it's better for you by the way

colly10

Skapoot wrote: »

Lol, I looked up Maximuscle. One of the ingredients is "Maxipure" ! Wtf is that!! It's hilarious!

Yeah no wonder you had trouble with that one. The ingredients aren't even real!

I wouldn't buy Maximusle, you might be surprised to know that it's one of the only major supplements sold by "health stores"

Not at all. I honest to god think you're from another planet; kind of like Superman but no way near as cool. You're like a bad version of ET.

It's midnight in NZ right now and I've plenty of time to talk this out. Not joking, I think you have lost the plot and here is why; man made supplements from intense sport shops? What does that even mean? What is your definition of safe?

Skapoot

colly10 wrote: »

Are you comparing protein supplements from supplement shops to steroids or are you just being sensationilist cause you think it makes your point more valid?

Yeah I guess I was being a little bit sensationalist!

Also about the health food shops, jeez I didnt know they sold Maxi Muscle. Thanks for pointing that out! I dont understand how "Health" food shops would promote the use of that product.

Let me tell you why; it's a business and they have to make money. If they want a piece of the pie, they are only supplying to the demand otherwise they wouldn't sell it, it's called selling out really although I support it, it's business - I don't want maximuscle crap. No thank you. There are plenty of young lads (I sound like an old lad and I'm only 24) who love maximuscle because of the endorsements and celebs that have advertised it.

Please explain the points I raised in my other post.

markos79

thanks for all the replies lads im on the right road now much appreciated;)

as for the entreprenuer i could be wrong but you do come across as having a bit of an ego problem but we'll just leave it at that.

thanks again lads

markos.

markos79

markos79 wrote: »

thanks for all the replies lads im on the right road now much appreciated;)

as for the entreprenuer i could be wrong but you do come across as having a bit of an ego problem but we'll just leave it at that.

thanks again lads

markos.

Well then I'd hate to be an expert in fitness and nutrition because this place would really drive me insane. No, I'm not an expert but when people start going on about "man made supplements" and then comparing protein shakes from Maximuscle to Steroids, it annoys me because it's that same sensationalist attitude and over the top reaction that the media thrive on, Irish people love to jump on that ship and make a meal out of most things they don't understand. It's ignorance really and a complete lack of thinking. People should question more of what they read, not be so quick to be negative and just let things run through their head a couple of times before they make ridiculous statements i.e. common sense is what's missing !!!

g'em

Holy schlamoly.

The handbags at dawn in tLL has nothing on the childishness in here.



OP, have a read of the Sticky as you've been advised. You may also want to do a review of your diet too as that's your #1 tool for improving your physique.

G'luck.