IMPORTANT INFO RE SWINE FLU

31-08-2009 01:10AM

4gun wrote: »

Every time you go to a GP you get a perscription of some sort or other, they get benifits in kind for perscribing whatever

That's just completely and utterly untrue.

I'd love to know where people get this idea.

uprising · 31-08-2009 01:51AM

King Mob wrote: »

That's just completely and utterly untrue.

I'd love to know where people get this idea.

Ok, but everything else he said was spot on, plus they get "gifts" from middlemen, but DEFINATELY dont get rewarded by big companies for selling their product.

31-08-2009 01:54AM

uprising wrote: »

Ok, but everything else he said was spot on, plus they get "gifts" from middlemen, but DEFINATELY dont get rewarded by big companies for selling their product.

No I was just highlighting this particular myth because it is both entirely not true yet widely believed.

uprising · 31-08-2009 01:59AM

Yea the way the economy is going, Imagine everybody wasn't sick, the big pharma companies would be worried, imagine they had pills that weren't needed.................................................

:eek::eek::eek: HEALTHY PEOPLE! :eek::eek::eek:

A PHARMA COMPANIES
BIGGEST NIGHTMARE

31-08-2009 02:03AM

Imagine a car company's worst nightmare: a car that works well and lasts long.

uprising · 31-08-2009 02:29AM

King Mob wrote: »

Imagine a car company's worst nightmare: a car that works well and lasts long.

Yea they sorted that out nicely, cost me €700 for 2 sensors, from Toyota, only "they" could do it, 2 little pieces of plastic on a 06 car.
See they make you come back periodically, but we are not machines and unlike cars we heal ourselves, have everything built-in, our immune system is so great when left be and fuelled properly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v06YyxObm9g

ilivetolearn · 31-08-2009 02:30AM

King Mob wrote: »

Imagine a car company's worst nightmare: a car that works well and lasts long.

Doesn't this analogy reaffirm what uprising just said or am I reading it wrong?

31-08-2009 02:47AM

uprising wrote: »

Yea they sorted that out nicely, cost me €700 for 2 sensors, from Toyota, only "they" could do it, 2 little pieces of plastic on a 06 car.

so you're actually gonna say there's a vast conspircy by car companies to make substandard cars?

uprising wrote: »

See they make you come back periodically, but we are not machines and unlike cars we heal ourselves, have everything built-in,

Yep. Noone dies from disease ever.
And all ammuptees grow back the limbs as long as you wait a while.

uprising wrote: »

our immune system is so great when left be and fuelled properly.

Let's sort this once and for all:
Please can you explain how vaccines work?
Because I don't think you actually know.

uprising wrote: »

Videos snip.

And the other question why trust these doctors but not the ones you disagree with.

uprising · 31-08-2009 03:03AM

King Mob wrote: »

so you're actually gonna say there's a vast conspircy by car companies to make substandard cars?

Yep. Noone dies from disease ever.
And all ammuptees grow back the limbs as long as you wait a while.

Let's sort this once and for all:
Please can you explain how vaccines work?
Because I don't think you actually know.

And the other question why trust these doctors but not the ones you disagree with.

You tell me how "vaccines" work, because I believe you believe exactly what Baxter and Bayer will tell me (provided it's not legally binding).

So lets sort this out once and for all, All in your own words, my own words.

You tell me how vaccines work, how they effect DNA, statistic's before and after vaccines were first introduced, mortality rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated.....basically the key benefits of vaccination, and associated side effects, levels of side effect, long term effects, etc.

When you do that I'll give you the full run down on vaccines and why I am opposed to them and especially this coming trojan horse.

31-08-2009 03:12AM

uprising wrote: »

You tell me how "vaccines" work, because I believe you believe exactly what Baxter and Bayer will tell me (provided it's not legally binding).

So lets sort this out once and for all, All in your own words, my own words.

You tell me how vaccines work, how they effect DNA, statistic's before and after vaccines were first introduced, mortality rates among vaccinated and unvaccinated.....basically the key benefits of vaccination, and associated side effects, levels of side effect, long term effects, etc.

When you do that I'll give you the full run down on vaccines and why I am opposed to them and especially this coming trojan horse.

Ok one vaccine weren't invented by baxter or bayer.
Two they aren't the only ones who make them.
Three the mechanism on which vaccines work is based on medical fact.

So how exactly do vaccines work?

Why is it so hard for you to answer that one question?

ilivetolearn · 31-08-2009 03:58AM

King Mob wrote: »

so you're actually gonna say there's a vast conspircy by car companies to make substandard cars?

It depends on your definition of 'substandard'. Is it not fair to say that manufacturing a vehicle or electronic device with a shorter shelf life is in that companies best interests in terms of cost and resale whether inadvertent or not ?

The use of of the term 'conspiracy' seems a little pantomime. You're trying to correlate 'an industry conspiring for it's own profit' with 'an industry being utilized by an elite conspiring for depopulation who recompense the said industry by way of profit'. I'm not saying either is the case. I'm pointing out how you're correlation is flawed.

meglome · 31-08-2009 04:05AM

ilivetolearn wrote: »

It depends on your definition of 'substandard'. Is it not fair to say that manufacturing a vehicle or electronic device with a shorter shelf life is in that companies best interests in terms of cost and resale whether inadvertent or not ?

A company can advertise and push any product but when people start using said product they will quickly realise there is a problem. So they tell their friends that the product isn't great and they don't buy one of those products again, their friends don't buy this product either. So sales of this product slide. It's in every companies interest to make good, well priced, reliable products. Does this always happen, No but is it in their interests, Yes.

Remember word of mouth is often the best sales tool.

ilivetolearn · 31-08-2009 04:12AM

meglome wrote: »

A company can advertise and push any product but when people start using said product they will quickly realise there is a problem. So they tell their friends that the product isn't great and they don't buy one of those products again, their friends don't buy this product either. So sales of this product slide. It's in every companies interest to make good, well priced, reliable products. Does this always happen, No but is it in their interests, Yes.

Remember word of mouth is often the best sales tool.

Apologies. I should have preemptively addressed this as I sure enough knew that it would be offered as a rebuttal. There's a difference between 'erratic faultiness' and 'unsustainable'. Referral will indeed reprimand 'erratic faultiness' though our preconceived technological norms are receptive to and thus do not reprimand 'unsustainable' products.

IrelandSpirit · 31-08-2009 01:16PM

Scientists Refuse Swine Flu Vaccine:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm3WrUDfzGg

uprising · 31-08-2009 05:24PM

meglome wrote: »

A company can advertise and push any product but when people start using said product they will quickly realise there is a problem. So they tell their friends that the product isn't great and they don't buy one of those products again, their friends don't buy this product either. So sales of this product slide. It's in every companies interest to make good, well priced, reliable products. Does this always happen, No but is it in their interests, Yes.

Remember word of mouth is often the best sales tool.

Yes but what happens when they hype up their "product", how we all "need it", then give it in a fairly short amount of time to as many people as possible, force them to take it in some cases, then they are fault free if somewhere down the line people notice side effects never imagined.

So Imagine a car company coming out with a new car, saying "We are not at fault if it blows up and kills you through no fault of your own, ie even if it's proved this car has multiple flaws and defects, we are not responsible", OH and by the way we never tested this car!
Would you buy this car?, encourage others to buy one?, I wouldn't.

And what when word of mouth is too late???????????

IrelandSpirit · 31-08-2009 06:52PM

uprising wrote: »

Yes but what happens when they hype up their "product", how we all "need it", then give it in a fairly short amount of time to as many people as possible, force them to take it in some cases, then they are fault free if somewhere down the line people notice side effects never imagined.

So Imagine a car company coming out with a new car, saying "We are not at fault if it blows up and kills you through no fault of your own, ie even if it's proved this car has multiple flaws and defects, we are not responsible", OH and by the way we never tested this car!
Would you buy this car?, encourage others to buy one?, I wouldn't.

And what when word of mouth is too late???????????

Good point Uprising, that’s a great analogy and exactly the situation we’re faced with. Many health workers themselves are saying they won’t go near this H1N1 vaccine. The issue’s not IMO a conspiracy: the danger’s of vaccination are already well-established in the mainstream, including the potential for mutation/recombination of viruses into increasingly more deadly and virulent strains due to vaccines themselves.

Found this earlier, looked interesting and so tweaked it a little:

I (Name of Physician) __________________ do hereby certify under full commercial liability that the (Name of Vaccine)_________________ vaccine being administered to the recipient (Name of Recipient)__________________ is completely safe and will not cause acute or chronic illness in the recipient due to viral contamination or as a reaction to any of the components of this vaccine.

Signature of Physician and Date__________________

Signature of 1st witness and Date __________________

Signature of 2nd witness and Date __________________

Signature of 3rd witness and Date __________________

(NB. Names printed in capitals beneath each signature)

I read it over the phone to a friend who’s a GP just now and she said she wouldn’t sign it in a fit! LOL. Seriously though, it would be interesting to see who if anybody in the Dept. of Health and Children would…

31-08-2009 06:53PM

So now we can assume that uprising hasn't a clue about how vaccination actually works.

And this points out exactly where all this anti vax nonsense comes from, misinformation and poor understand of science.

Captain Furball · 31-08-2009 07:02PM

King Mob wrote: »

So now we can assume that uprising hasn't a clue about how vaccination actually works.

And this points out exactly where all this anti vax nonsense comes from, misinformation and poor understand of science.

Why are you so pro vaccine?How old is the vaccine a few weeks?
And do you yourself understand how it works?

31-08-2009 07:13PM

Captain Furball wrote: »

Why are you so pro vaccine?

I'm more pro science and against misinformation like uprising is spreading than purely pro vaccine.
But all the lifes vaccination has saved would tend to put it in my good books.

Captain Furball wrote: »

How old is the vaccine a few weeks?

A few weeks older?

Captain Furball wrote: »

And do you yourself understand how it works?

Yes I understand the concept fairly well.
If you look back on this thread you'll see I've described it several times.

But I think I'll wait for uprising.

Captain Furball · 31-08-2009 07:32PM

King Mob wrote: »

I'm more pro science and against misinformation like uprising is spreading than purely pro vaccine.
But all the lifes vaccination has saved would tend to put it in my good books.

So your not pro vaccine?

31-08-2009 07:37PM

Captain Furball wrote: »

So your not pro vaccine?

Yes on a whole.

However to be clear I'm not saying the swine flu vaccine has been proven to be totally safe just yet.

Captain Furball · 31-08-2009 07:40PM

King Mob wrote: »

Yes on a whole.

However to be clear I'm not saying the swine flu vaccine has been proven to be totally safe just yet.

So your not pro vaccine.But your pro science and pro truth right?
Why don't you believe it's not yet safe as opposed to safe right now to take.

IrelandSpirit · 31-08-2009 07:42PM

King Mob wrote: »

I'm more pro science and against misinformation like uprising is spreading than purely pro vaccine.
But all the lifes vaccination has saved would tend to put it in my good books.

Why are you accusing Uprising of spreading misinformation?

31-08-2009 07:46PM

Captain Furball wrote: »

So your not pro vaccine.But your pro science and pro truth right?

No I support vaccination as a whole, just that this new flu vaccine isn't finished testing.

Captain Furball wrote: »

Why don't you believe it's not yet safe as opposed to safe right now to take.

Because the testing isn't quite concluded yet.

This isn't to say that the vaccine is dangerous or will be dangerous.

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

Why are you accusing Uprising of spreading misinformation?

Because a large portion of the information he provides is either untrue, unsupported or misrepresented.

Captain Furball · 31-08-2009 07:50PM

King Mob wrote: »

No I support vaccination as a whole, just that this new flu vaccine isn't finished testing.

Because the testing isn't quite concluded yet.

This isn't to say that the vaccine is dangerous or will be dangerous.

Because a large portion of the information he provides is either untrue, unsupported or misrepresented.

So you believe humans should not take this vaccine right now as It is not yet fully tested?So if it's not dangerous or will be dangerous, how do you know it's not dangerous, if it's not fully tested?

IrelandSpirit · 31-08-2009 07:53PM

King Mob wrote: »

Because a large portion of the information he provides.

I think the issue here is that the information provided by our goverment in regards vaccines is either untrue, unsupported or misrepresented - or at least it might be - that's what we're trying to get at here, this is a CP forum after all.

31-08-2009 07:56PM

Captain Furball wrote: »

So you believe humans should not take this vaccine right now as It is not yet fully tested?

I believe people should listen to trained medical professionals and not random people on the internet.

Captain Furball wrote: »

So if it's not dangerous or will be dangerous, how do you know it's not dangerous, if it's not fully tested?

I didn't say it's definitely not dangerous.
However seeing as it's based heavily on the season flu vaccine it probably isn't going to be dangerous.

Maybe someone can finally provide some scientific evidence that the vaccine is dangerous.

31-08-2009 07:57PM

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

I think the issue here is that the information provided by our goverment in regards vaccines is either untrue, unsupported or misrepresented - or at least it might be - that's what we're trying to get at here, this is a CP forum after all.

And can you point out where the information provided by the government is untrue?

IrelandSpirit · 31-08-2009 07:57PM

That's the issue here i agree, the vaccine's not tested and it appears it's gonna be tested on us this winter, on our children and loved ones. I'd want a GP or MP to sign an affidavit under full commercial liability declaring it's safe before anything - this is our health and lives we're talking about.

31-08-2009 08:00PM

IrelandSpirit wrote: »

That's the issue here i agree, the vaccine's not tested and it appears it's gonna be tested on us this winter, on our children and loved ones.

That's just not true.
The vaccine is currently being tested in a number of ways.

IMPORTANT INFO RE SWINE FLU

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