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Boyfriend in prison for 3 months

  • 23-06-2009 07:39PM
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,006 ✭✭✭✭


    Hi, wonder if someone can advice please? My boyfriend is in prison in Mountjoy for 3 months, he has been in for a month now. His job doesn't know (big company) but he is coming close to using all his holidays (and what a holiday he must be having!) so they will start asking questions, all it would take is to get a phone call from a private number (from him to his boss) to get more time out. Is there any kind of agency of anything that could be done, maybe to organise the call or even just give advice about the situation with his job? If they find out the job is gone, especially with the recession and everything. Thanks for any replies.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,394 ✭✭✭ManOfMystery


    Lying to his work is risky and I wouldn't recommend it, but if he's going to do it, he might as well play the sick card rather than look for lots of holiday leave


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    Lying to his work is risky and I wouldn't recommend it, but if he's going to do it, he might as well play the sick card rather than look for lots of holiday leave

    Lying is risky? Shure whats he got to loose......only his job.
    However, the sick note route is much better.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Lying is risky? Shure whats he got to loose......only his job.
    However, the sick note route is much better.

    Most companies require a medical cert for more than 3 days sick leave. How is he going to get a medical cert if he's in Mountjoy?


  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,999 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    Well if he's looking to take the time as sick leave, he'll need medical certs to back it up. Does the prison allow him any time to make a phone call out at all? The only thing is, I'm not sure would the number come up as private. Could he apply to the company for unpaid leave, maybe say there's a family emergency or something. I don't think lying is really going to work though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 174 ✭✭NilByMouth


    All you need now is to find a doctor that is willing to cover the balance of his sentence with a sick note.And what will he do when his job tries to ring him and ask him how he is?strange that he is not answering his phone at all.


    If its paid sick leave they might start to question the doctors note,seeing as its costing them money.

    There's a flaw in the sick note plan,damned if i can see it....


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  • Administrators, Business & Finance Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 16,999 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Toots


    The flaw is trying to find a doctor who will do up a fake sick cert. I highly doubt you'd find one. If it's paid sick leave, they'll look for your social welfare payments, and if he gets fake welfare certs and defrauds the state, he could be looking at longer than 3 months behind bars.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭brian ireland


    Not sure if this works in reverse but you can check it with eircom.

    If you are ex directory and you want to release your number for the call you are making you can put 142 in front of the number you are calling and the person you are calling can see your number. i.e 01 123456 so dial 142 01 123456. and your number is released just once for that call.
    So maybe its possible to put a 14? number in front of a listed number to block the id for one call. this way he can block the number. Worth a try. Ring Eircom and ask.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 35,948 Mod ✭✭✭✭dr.bollocko


    I genuinely do not think that there is any way out of this that does not involve confessing the realities of the situation. Nobody can just disappear for three months and not have a boss asking questions and no doctor will ever sign a fake sick not to cover somebody jailed so they can hide that fact from their employer. I would think that any advice advocating subterfuge would be naive at best.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,683 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Isnt the employer legally entitled to know if you've been convicted of a felony in the last 10 years?

    I think this would qualify.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,591 ✭✭✭finbarrk


    Get him to write to his boss requesting 2 months unpaid leave because of a serious personal issue.
    That is the best way out of it.


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  • Posts: 53,068 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Not sure if this works in reverse but you can check it with eircom.

    If you are ex directory and you want to release your number for the call you are making you can put 142 in front of the number you are calling and the person you are calling can see your number. i.e 01 123456 so dial 142 01 123456. and your number is released just once for that call.
    So maybe its possible to put a 14? number in front of a listed number to block the id for one call. this way he can block the number. Worth a try. Ring Eircom and ask.

    just FYI it's 141 to block the number

    I really can't see a way out of this though without more lies and possibly breaking the law again

    If he has kids he could apply for urgent parental leave? although they can refuse to grant this first time round


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,339 ✭✭✭congo_90


    finbarrk wrote: »
    Get him to write to his boss requesting 2 months unpaid leave because of a serious personal issue.
    That is the best way out of it.

    this is prolly your best option. Get him to say he's been under serious pressure [with family and gf] and needs time off for a bit and doesn't want to cause anyharm to the company so if they could give him 2 months rest unpaid he should make a recovery and hopefully return to work in good health.

    If they push put it down to a mental breakdown where he's seeing a shrink but not really.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,772 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    I would think that any advice advocating subterfuge would be naive at best.
    I agree.

    Could I suggest that he / you talk to a solicitor specialising in employment law?

    He may be entitled to some remission on his sentence for good behaviour, but I'm not sure what point a sentence becomes eligible for this, very short sentences get none.

    Can I suggest that he get in contact with the support services (education, training, probation, chaplain - its pastoral, not religious as such) in the prison, so that he is seen to be behaving himself and learning from his experience.

    I imagine prisoners are allowed make calls, send letters / e-mails in supervised circumstances. With e-mail, make sure the adddress isn't Unregistered'sBoyfriend@prisonservice.ie or doesn't trace back to that IP. He may even be allowed out (its punishment, not persecution) for a few hours to take care of something like this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,019 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    You know prison is supposed to be a punishment yes? I think losing your job gets lumped in with this.
    If he has done something that warrants 3 months in Mountjoy then you are unlikely to find a doctor that will cover for it.
    Shouldnt he start rehabilitating now and come clean to his workplace rather than lying through his teeth?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    If he tells the truth he will loose his job.
    If he's found out lying he will loose his job.

    I'd take the chance on writing to request a 2 month sabbatical.
    People who say he should come clean don't live in the real world where prejudices will follow him round for the rest of his life.

    If he's let go it will be easy to cover the absence from work on future job applications as it coincided with the recession.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    If he tells the truth he will loose his job.
    If he's found out lying he will loose his job.

    I'd take the chance on writing to request a 2 month sabbatical.
    People who say he should come clean don't live in the real world where prejudices will follow him round for the rest of his life.

    If he's let go it will be easy to cover the absence from work on future job applications as it coincided with the recession.

    If he tells the truth he may lose his job.
    He was sent to prison, the prejudices will be there regardless.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,378 ✭✭✭✭kippy


    As many have mentioned even if he does get away with a sick note/personal issues there is a large chance that this could come back to bite him again if some one finds out.
    Best to advise the employer of the issue, in my opinion. He MAY not lose his job.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,696 ✭✭✭trad


    If he got a 3 month stretch he should be out in 2 with good behaviour. If the prisons are overflowing they often allow those who have committed "lesser" offences out early.

    Either way, if I was his boss I'd like to know that he is doing a prison stretch and what for so he/she (boss) has time to think about it. When it comes out, and it will, the chances are that he is out on his ear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,006 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Victor wrote: »
    I agree.

    Could I suggest that he / you talk to a solicitor specialising in employment law?

    He may be entitled to some remission on his sentence for good behaviour, but I'm not sure what point a sentence becomes eligible for this, very short sentences get none.

    Can I suggest that he get in contact with the support services (education, training, probation, chaplain - its pastoral, not religious as such) in the prison, so that he is seen to be behaving himself and learning from his experience.

    I imagine prisoners are allowed make calls, send letters / e-mails in supervised circumstances. With e-mail, make sure the adddress isn't Unregistered'sBoyfriend@prisonservice.ie or doesn't trace back to that IP. He may even be allowed out (its punishment, not persecution) for a few hours to take care of something like this.


    This is terrible advice. The guy will lose his job and be on the dole with a criminal record. He should fight for any chance of hanging on to it.

    Dishing out this moralistic tripe is all well and good, but you're not the one facing a lifetime of unemployment.

    Get the letter to the boss asking for unpaid leave. The company may even be delighted to let someone go temporarily for free and it might all work out well for him.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,006 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    As an employer myself I would like to know if an emplyee was in prison and depending on the crime I would then make a call onwhether to keep him or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,941 ✭✭✭maxwell smart


    In the real world, he will more than likely be let go if found out. It depends on his contract, but most have a clause whereby you must inform your employer of a conviction. If he can get over this moral issue, than why not send in a letter saying he is suffering from stress? Most employers have a s**t attack when this word is mentioned. Of course, he would have to live with the consequences.
    I wonder if the conviction would have an impact/relevance to his job? That might be the employers biggest concern.

    It's a tough one alright


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 380 ✭✭Reflector


    Well thats a tough one. I would lie as if he's caught out he'll lose his job which you are convinced that he'll lose anyway if they knew he was in prison.
    Also there would be a stigma attached if the employer knew he had a criminal record.

    Try and get a sick not for something that takes a long time like glandular fever. Something like that. That usually knocks someone out for at least 3 months.

    If this is not an option I would try and request a sabattical for 2 months for a serious personal issue. You shouldn't have to discloase what that is.

    hope it works out


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,606 ✭✭✭Jumpy


    So lets get this straight.

    Most of the comments in this thread are advising a convicted criminal to lie to his employer to benefit his own life. Would I have this correct yes?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 166,006 ✭✭✭✭LegacyUser


    Jumpy wrote: »
    So lets get this straight.

    Most of the comments in this thread are advising a convicted criminal to lie to his employer to benefit his own life. Would I have this correct yes?

    i really can't believe my eyes on this thread!!!!!

    the guy got sentenced to prison - and people here are advising him to LIE in order that he may either keep his job and/or any welfare payments??????????????????????

    are you people for real????

    his employer has a right to know. your bf has a moral obligation to tell them. end of.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,382 ✭✭✭petes


    Jumpy wrote: »
    So lets get this straight.

    Most of the comments in this thread are advising a convicted criminal to lie to his employer to benefit his own life. Would I have this correct yes?


    In a nutshell. I agree though it is a difficult situation to be in. I would say that the truth will come out in the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,202 ✭✭✭partyguinness


    Why not ask the prison doctor to sign him off? Might be worth a shot..

    Am sure the sick note wont be headed "Mountjoy Prison Medical Centre":D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,138 ✭✭✭Gregor Samsa


    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    If he's let go it will be easy to cover the absence from work on future job applications as it coincided with the recession.

    He's legally obliged to tell future prospective employers of his conviction.

    Most employemt contracts also require you to disclose any convictions (there's usually an exemption for non serious motor offences) that you get while in their employment.

    While there's a moral aspect to disclosing this to his employer, there's a legal aspect that's potentially much more important. The last thing someone in prison needs is to be found breaking more laws while they're inside, or recently released.

    This is why "he'll lose his job either way, so he may as well take the chance" arguments for deception don't hold up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 ✭✭✭niceirishfella


    What's he in for as a matter of interest?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,102 ✭✭✭RossFixxxed


    If he committed armed robbery and works in a bank, if he's a drug dealer who works in a pharmacy, statuatory rape and he works teaching kids to swim... That could be a problem to be fair. Lying to an employer on this could be a very very bad thing depending on the crime vs employment for a start.

    However turfing someone out on the reduced dole in a recession, where prices have gone UP...

    Sorry for the large amount of fence sitting. I'm loathe to say hide it though as we don't know the crime vs job.


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