Advanced Paramedic Training

drzhivago

This may be a bit peripheral to this thread HOWEVER I think it is very relevant

advanced paramedic training requires a period of supervised practice (ride alongs) with a doctor.

Many of the doctors doing this are A&E regs

Medical registration has changed so hospital docs cannot work outside the hospital

This will mean they cannot act as supervisors in future

I am quite sure this is an unintended consequence of the new medical practitioner act but in the meantime until this is sorted I cant see how there will be any hospital docs who will be involved in this training anymore

maglite

Are you saying docs cant work outside a hospital now?? linky???

And can an AP not do ride alongs with trainees, i was under the impression they could. Fully accept i could be wrong.

drzhivago

maglite wrote: »

Are you saying docs cant work outside a hospital now?? linky???

And can an AP not do ride alongs with trainees, i was under the impression they could. Fully accept i could be wrong.

www.medicalcouncil.ie and look at trainee specialist register link

If the question is can AP not do ride alongs with SPRs or SHOs on training schemes the answer is NO

From a docs perspective this is a disaster

i know loads of junior docs who are doctors with their kids football teams etc they cannot do this anymore

Bang Bang

I was speaking to one of the Doc supervisors on the AP course and I'm led to believe that the medical council have worded that document incorrectly and are currently looking at re-wording it.
I am open to clarification on this.

drzhivago

Bang Bang wrote: »

I was speaking to one of the Doc supervisors on the AP course and I'm led to believe that the medical council have worded that document incorrectly and are currently looking at re-wording it.
I am open to clarification on this.

Think your doc supervisor better check up again

I have bene on to them

The quote was we didnt write the law we have to implement it

This is one of the unintended consequences and there amy be others such as no docs for many sports clubs, mass gatherings, concerts, croke park etc

timmywex

Bang Bang wrote: »

I was speaking to one of the Doc supervisors on the AP course and I'm led to believe that the medical council have worded that document incorrectly and are currently looking at re-wording it.
I am open to clarification on this.

They have to change that!

Just thinking what would happen to the likes of doctor janes and caredoc type things aswell

drzhivago

timmywex wrote: »

They have to change that!

Just thinking what would happen to the likes of doctor janes and caredoc type things aswell

Can you elaborate what are doctor janes

Caredoc is a different issue, to do GP locums from now on I believes requires you have been a GP locum in that practice in the past or be on the specialist register

It is going to be messy

I am not sure who you are saying will have to change, medical council say they didnt write the law

Bang Bang

drzhivago wrote: »

Can you elaborate what are doctor janes

Doctor Janes is the name of one of the AP Doctor Supervisors. I think he is currently off the programme with his replacement in at the moment.

drzhivago

Bang Bang wrote: »

Doctor Janes is the name of one of the AP Doctor Supervisors. I think he is currently off the programme with his replacement in at the moment.

Ah I understand if I am correct he is a GP so this would not apply to him. He would be on the specialist register and thus this would not apply

The ones this will affect are those supervisors who are A&E regs or SPRs

Hooch

A/Ps undergo their internship firstly for a number of weeks with a tutor/facilitor from NASC. They then can practice with an A/P or on the behest of a Doctor (i.e. a phone call to a consultant asking permission to preform a skill).

They then have to complete several other weeks accompanied by the NASC instructor as superviser before finishing training and receiving their diplioma..

drzhivago

nice guy always wrote: »

A/Ps undergo their internship firstly for a number of weeks with a tutor/facilitor from NASC. They then can practice with an A/P or on the behest of a Doctor (i.e. a phone call to a consultant asking permission to preform a skill).

They then have to complete several other weeks accompanied by the NASC instructor as superviser before finishing training and receiving their diplioma..

Not sure where you get the information from

There is a scheduled period of ride along supervision with a doctor as well not just remote phone supervision

regarding the consultants with junior doctors hours coming down, consultants will have to be more hands on in hospital and this will not be as readily available at end of phone

The point I am trying to make is that to date the training takes place on a voluntary basis, it is not scheduled part of any doctors work and as such will suffer because of the registration and hours issues

It will need to be discussed by HSe but I am not sure who is the relevant person for this area

Tango Alpha 51

NGA is nearly correct in what he says. AP trainee's do the first few weeks with either a NATC tutor or a GP. They are then on their own under phone supervision. This is the way it has happened in the old mwhb area since the inception of the AP's.

Hooch

buzzman wrote: »

NGA is nearly correct in what he says. AP trainee's do the first few weeks with either a NATC tutor or a GP. They are then on their own under phone supervision. This is the way it has happened in the old mwhb area since the inception of the AP's.

Yet thats what im aware of (we all know theres more than my post but thats the simple vertion).

If im right good olde SK from NASC is down there at the moment with A/Ps??

(Or at least he should be:p)

Tango Alpha 51

nice guy always wrote: »

Yet thats what im aware of (we all know theres more than my post but thats the simple vertion).

If im right good olde SK from NASC is down there at the moment with A/Ps??

(Or at least he should be:p)

NGA,
Your quite correct !