converting meat eaters???!!!!

maameeo

did anyone read the metro mail today?
some guy called Shaun T wrote in this :

Why is it that meat-eaters do not try to convert vegetarians but vegetarians try to make us meat-eaters abstain?

WHAT?!
if anything i find it the other way round! im constantly being told to eat meat by meat eaters!!! but id never say ALL meat-eaters try convert me!

rubadub

The metro mail section is like an unmoderated troll-fest, they really encourage stuff like this, I suspect they make up half the letters themselves to get a rise out of people. Just like this one did. Don't feed the trolls, be it meat or vegetables

-lala-

maameeo wrote: »

did anyone read the metro mail today?
some guy called Shaun T wrote in this :

Why is it that meat-eaters do not try to convert vegetarians but vegetarians try to make us meat-eaters abstain?

WHAT?!
if anything i find it the other way round! im constantly being told to eat meat by meat eaters!!! but id never say ALL meat-eaters try convert me!

It's only the metro, you're not meant to take it seriously!

But yes, I agree - I've never tried to convert anyone, but most of the omnivorous population have tried to convert me.

Greenmachine

Lies lies, It's all lies. I know of one vegetarain who wouldn't let her boyfriend use the same utensils as her if he wanted to eat meat. He ended up going veggie for the remainder of their relationship except when he went out somewhere without her.

-lala-

Greenmachine wrote: »

Lies lies, It's all lies. I know of one vegetarain who wouldn't let her boyfriend use the same utensils as her if he wanted to eat meat.

Well that sounds fair enough, I don't see why she would let him use the same utensils for meat.

Greenmachine wrote: »

He ended up going veggie for the remainder of their relationship except when he went out somewhere without her.

Sounds like it was his choice. Surely he could have used different utensils if he wanted to eat meat? Greenmachine, what makes you think this vegetarian was trying to "convert" her boyfriend? It really doesn't sound like it at all. And anyway, if he still ate meat without her, that makes him an omnivore, so even if she was trying to "convert" him, she didn't do a very good job of it!

Greenmachine

Greenmachine wrote: »

Lies lies, It's all lies. I know of one vegetarain who wouldn't let her boyfriend use the same utensils as her if he wanted to eat meat. He ended up going veggie for the remainder of their relationship except when he went out somewhere without her.

What is wrong with that. Who wants bits of rotting dead animal carcas on their kitchen utensils.
Buy your own if you want to do that.

jape

Why is it that meat-eaters do not try to convert vegetarians but vegetarians try to make us meat-eaters abstain?

Because eating meat is wrong.

banjopaul

maameeo wrote: »

did anyone read the metro mail today?
some guy called Shaun T wrote in this :

Why is it that meat-eaters do not try to convert vegetarians but vegetarians try to make us meat-eaters abstain?

WHAT?!
if anything i find it the other way round! im constantly being told to eat meat by meat eaters!!! but id never say ALL meat-eaters try convert me!

I dunno, I signed up for something in the freebie thread in bargain alerts forum, and it came with a full vegetarian and vegan magazine with most of the articles being about how to convert your family, and how to trick your partner/children into thinking they were eating meat when they weren't, and the using this to try make them become vegetarian. Was very strange.

maameeo

-lala- wrote: »

It's only the metro, you're not meant to take it seriously!

i know, i shudnt have really, just got so worked up when i read it, im ok now!
lol

maameeo

banjopaul wrote: »

I dunno, I signed up for something in the freebie thread in bargain alerts forum, and it came with a full vegetarian and vegan magazine with most of the articles being about how to convert your family, and how to trick your partner/children into thinking they were eating meat when they weren't, and the using this to try make them become vegetarian. Was very strange.

that is strange!
iv never heard of anything like that before. might have veggies calling at the door next to convert people to our 'religion'! lol

banjopaul

maameeo wrote: »

that is strange!
iv never heard of anything like that before. might have veggies calling at the door next to convert people to our 'religion'! lol

Yep, I know its completely not the norm, but it is out there i guess!:)

Crumble Froo

someone called 'Tofu' has replied to Shaun T... the debate is officially open...

pickarooney

Greenmachine wrote: »

Lies lies, It's all lies. I know of one vegetarain who wouldn't let her boyfriend use the same utensils as her if he wanted to eat meat. He ended up going veggie for the remainder of their relationship except when he went out somewhere without her.

Anything to avoid washing up, eh?

banjopaul

banjopaul wrote: »

I dunno, I signed up for something in the freebie thread in bargain alerts forum, and it came with a full vegetarian and vegan magazine with most of the articles being about how to convert your family, and how to trick your partner/children into thinking they were eating meat when they weren't, and the using this to try make them become vegetarian. Was very strange.

Paper never refused ink.

Tar.Aldarion

I've never even heard of the metro.

-lala-

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

I've never even heard of the metro.

You lucky thing.

maameeo

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

I've never even heard of the metro.

hah, were do u live?!!! :P

Thoushaltnot

banjopaul wrote: »

I dunno, I signed up for something in the freebie thread in bargain alerts forum, and it came with a full vegetarian and vegan magazine with most of the articles being about how to convert your family, and how to trick your partner/children into thinking they were eating meat when they weren't, and the using this to try make them become vegetarian. Was very strange.

That would be great to check out - not just for the obvious "veg*ns take over the world by stealth - a guide" (tee hee) but t'would be handy for the real-life cases of having meat-eaters (in my life, anyhoo) having to suddenly turn (semi) veggie, due to heart attacks or cancer/chemotherapy. Damn handy to have.

Pritti plz?

Kaythxbai

siobhanher

If people are interested, genuinely I tell them all of the reasons why I like being a vegetarian, and how environmentally positive it is. I just say my bit...but like 5 people I've talked to have become vegetarians.

Not by forcing or 'conversion'.

maameeo

siobhanher wrote: »

If people are interested, genuinely I tell them all of the reasons why I like being a vegetarian, and how environmentally positive it is. I just say my bit...but like 5 people I've talked to have become vegetarians.

Not by forcing or 'conversion'.

LOL, u must be very convincing!

raptorman

Moonbaby wrote: »

What is wrong with that. Who wants bits of rotting dead animal carcas on their kitchen utensils.
Buy your own if you want to do that.

Dont people wash their dishes after dinner? Its a bit extreme to have a problem with using utensils that have been used to cook meat. How does a vegetarian get over this when they are eating out?

Kind of reminds me of my Mum always getting bottled water for fear of whatever nasties might be in the tap water in a resturant. One day I asked her what she thought they made the ice cudes from.

Kiddynamite

raptorman wrote: »

Dont people wash their dishes after dinner? Its a bit extreme to have a problem with using utensils that have been used to cook meat. How does a vegetarian get over this when they are eating out?

Kind of reminds me of my Mum always getting bottled water for fear of whatever nasties might be in the tap water in a resturant. One day I asked her what she thought they made the ice cudes from.

It's quite common, get over it.

-lala-

raptorman wrote: »

Dont people wash their dishes after dinner? Its a bit extreme to have a problem with using utensils that have been used to cook meat. How does a vegetarian get over this when they are eating out?

Kind of reminds me of my Mum always getting bottled water for fear of whatever nasties might be in the tap water in a resturant. One day I asked her what she thought they made the ice cudes from.

Well I assume Greenmachine was referring to unwashed utensils that were also being used for meat.

maameeo

i know id be bit freaked out about using utensils or plates etc after they wer used for meat,
if i saw the meat on the plate, then watched someone scrub the plate, i could not eat off it, even though id know its clean it would freak me out, it would never be clean!
but yet id eat off plates in my parents and they meat eaters, its just coz i didnt see the meat on the plate directly before i use it.

i have no idea if im making sense here! :rolleyes:

raptorman

Kiddynamite wrote: »

It's quite common, get over it.

I'm not saying I have a major problem with it, just that it seems a bit extreme to me. It's not something I have to "get over" as such.

-lala-

maameeo wrote: »

i know id be bit freaked out about using utensils or plates etc after they wer used for meat,
if i saw the meat on the plate, then watched someone scrub the plate, i could not eat off it, even though id know its clean it would freak me out, it would never be clean!
but yet id eat off plates in my parents and they meat eaters, its just coz i didnt see the meat on the plate directly before i use it.

i have no idea if im making sense here! :rolleyes:

Ah, you're making sense to me.

But then again I don't make sense to most people!

maameeo

-lala- wrote: »

Ah, you're making sense to me.

But then again I don't make sense to most people!

me neither! lil bit strange is always good

Greenmachine

-lala- wrote: »

Well I assume Greenmachine was referring to unwashed utensils that were also being used for meat.

That is where you are wrong. It was my bro actually, a good few years back and basically she didn't want meat in the house. In the end she decided if there was different saucepans, frying pans, plate, knifes
etc and he didn't eat it in front of her it would be okay. Realising the craziness of the situation he just ate what she did.


He lost a massive amount of weight in a short period of time and when ever he gave home his appetite was collosal. Put the weight back on very quickly. Realise that his case is not very typical and was on the extreme end. Just throwing it out there because you do geniunely get people trying to convert people to the way of the veg.

-lala-

Greenmachine wrote: »

He lost a massive amount of weight in a short period of time and when ever he gave home his appetite was collosal. Put the weight back on very quickly. Realise that his case is not very typical and was on the extreme end. Just throwing it out there because you do geniunely get people trying to convert people to the way of the veg.

I'm sorry but there is no way that just being vegetarian makes you lose lots of weight - he can't have been eating enough, which could happen with an omnivorous diet too. It's easy to be completely full and have a nutritionally balanced diet on vegetarian/vegan food.

Greenmachine

-lala- wrote: »

I'm sorry but there is no way that just being vegetarian makes you lose lots of weight - he can't have been eating enough, which could happen with an omnivorous diet too. It's easy to be completely full and have a nutritionally balanced diet on vegetarian/vegan food.

I wasn't living with him. Maybe what ever his bird was cooking wasn't too his tastes. Never said you can't have a nutritionally complete diet without meat.

rather_not

To be brutally honest, I experience it in both directions: sometimes I try to take influence on meateaters by explaining them my point of view (I am almost vegan out of conscience by way) and on the other side I had half of my family back in Germany trying to convince me to eat meat(and eat eggs and cheese and honey again) again, which had like in most other cases the opposite effect.
I do try to convince meat eaters, not radically, but I try it, because I think it is right.

Ronan|Raven

Anyone try to convert me or preach to me to stop eating meat I would tie them to a chair and feed them a steak.

raah!

You horrible fellow!

taram

If I cook for my friends I'll usually try something fancy and extra nice to show them how good veggie food is so maybe little bit of cocerison there My bf eats veggie most of the time, I didn't convert him, he just genuinely loved vegetables, lentils and tofu and such.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

I don't try and convert people, I don't even bring it up in conversation. But, if somebody asks me about it I'll explain my reasons, and if somebody expresses an interest in moving towards a meat free existence I'll offer advice if I can.

entropi

I happened to have some of the massaman curry i got in Cornucopia left over from the forum picnic so took it some, let my bro and mam try it...they finished it off even eating the tofu and saying it was lovely:D

This coming from people who only realised a few months ago to stop asking if i want chicken/chops/sausages etc with dinner:P

Eviecus

That's bull and it is the other way around! That person obviously lives in Opposite Land! Meatheads are always trying to convert vegetarians!! ALL THE FRICKING TIME! I have never tried, consciously!, to convert someone. When meaties ask me a question about why I'm vegan I will answer it, sometimes they get all defensive and a) tell me to stop shoving my beliefs on them, b) tell me how they love animals and actually don't eat that much meat or c) go into great detail about how much they love meat, "juicy" and "tender" are words that get mentioned in this conversation.... *sigh*

Omnis can't accept someone who has made a choice to be vegetarian, they can't get it into their meat clogged brain, too many hormones and cholesterol blocking their senses perhaps. Some take it as a personal insult that you don't eat meat. Whereas, I HATE that they do eat meat but I never mention it, I never bring it up but I'm the bad guy...make sense of that.

joes girls

Have to hold my hands up and say that when my little teenager turned veggie, i did cook all her favourite meaty dinners. But there was no swaying her. Now most of the veggie stuff i make for her, i also eat and enjoy.But could never give up meat for good.

Tar.Aldarion

Eviecus wrote: »

That's bull and it is the other way around! That person obviously lives in Opposite Land! Meatheads are always trying to convert vegetarians!! ALL THE FRICKING TIME! I have never tried, consciously!, to convert someone. When meaties ask me a question about why I'm vegan I will answer it, sometimes they get all defensive and a) tell me to stop shoving my beliefs on them, b) tell me how they love animals and actually don't eat that much meat or c) go into great detail about how much they love meat, "juicy" and "tender" are words that get mentioned in this conversation.... *sigh*

Omnis can't accept someone who has made a choice to be vegetarian, they can't get it into their meat clogged brain, too many hormones and cholesterol blocking their senses perhaps. Some take it as a personal insult that you don't eat meat. Whereas, I HATE that they do eat meat but I never mention it, I never bring it up but I'm the bad guy...make sense of that.

Whoa whoa, calm down on meat clogged brain talk, you are new here, hi, yes it can get annoying but let's be civil to each other. Have a read of the charter.

Eviecus

Tar.Aldarion wrote: »

Whoa whoa, calm down on meat clogged brain talk, you are new here, hi, yes it can get annoying but let's be civil to each other. Have a read of the charter.

Sorry, I didn't read the charter. Will have a look now.

Tar.Aldarion

Eviecus wrote: »

Sorry, I didn't read the charter. Will have a look now.

I suppose the only rule is be nice really, well as nice as we can.

Thoushaltnot

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

Anyone try to convert me or preach to me to stop eating meat I would tie them to a chair and feed them a steak.

Excellent. I have a few meater* friends. I'll point them your way, tell them the trick and then they'll owe me for a free steak dinner!


* I LOVE that abbreviation

gosplan

Ronan|Raven wrote: »

Anyone try to convert me or preach to me to stop eating meat I would tie them to a chair and feed them a steak.

Original.

Guess those billion or so Indians have never tasted proper food then.

pq0n1ct4ve8zf5

gosplan wrote: »

Original.

Guess those billion or so Indians have never tasted proper food then.

Also original s/he didn't actually say anything in that post about meat being proper food, just said he doesn't want people to try and convert him, which is perfectly understandable

Fugly

I'm a veggie. I don't try and convert people, to be honest I never mention it unless it naturally comes up. I have had people plafully teasing me when they eat meat shoving it under my nose and to be honest I have no issue with it, I have no problem handling raw meat or cooked. And have had to cook {when minding children}

But what I have encountered alot is people who notice I'm a veggie and preceed to rant about how I rant and bully meateaters. without me having ever mentioned meat eating. WTF??!

I have also had vegans enquire when I intend to "complete the process". I polietly respond never, they demand why and lecture. It does make me want to slaughter an animal and eatit right infront of them, not the outcome they were hoping for I assume.

I generally live by the mantra "eating meat is an instinct, not eating meat is a choice" I don't think lecturing or attacking their choices will convert them to your views, informing people can be the only positive step and allowing them to make an informed decision which they feel is right for them.

But meh, just my crazzy rambling:rolleyes:

-lala-

Fugly wrote: »

But what I have encountered alot is people who notice I'm a veggie and preceed to rant about how I rant and bully meateaters. without me having ever mentioned meat eating. WTF??!

This.

ALL THE BLOODY TIME!

Fugly

ok, so it's not just me! :P yay

The amount of times I've been with strangers who started ranting at me, maybe I just look the brainwashing type:rolleyes:

digiology

Theres no point in trying to convert people but showing them why their justifications are inconsistent is very important.

I avoid meat because its the rational consistent thing to do.

Meat eaters usually have decided to approach the issue in an emotionally detached way which is fine but those arguments are SO easy to win which is a first step.