western city bypass

ge_ch · 21-06-2009 7:33pm #1

we got an informationsheet from sligo coco during the week about the western relief road. Does anyone know when they wanna build it and if they really gonna do it? I dont see the need of it and it would destroy a lovely area.

Crotchety · 21-06-2009 8:34pm

City bypass?

Sorry. I thought this was in the Sligo forum. LOL!

darealtulip · 21-06-2009 9:28pm

♫ wrote: »

City bypass?

Sorry. I thought this was in the Sligo forum. LOL!

LOL!! Small town by pass is more like it!!

SligoBrewer · 21-06-2009 9:38pm

ge_ch wrote: »

I dont see the need of it

You've never been at Summerhill roundabout at 9 in the morning have you?

Crotchety · 21-06-2009 9:52pm

SligoBrewer wrote: »

You've never been at Summerhill roundabout at 9 in the morning have you?

That's at the school, isn't it? Sure every town is like that near a school at that time of the morning.

SligoBrewer · 21-06-2009 9:56pm

♫ wrote: »

That's at the school, isn't it? Sure every town is like that near a school at that time of the morning.

It's got nothing to do with being a school. Everone who does go to Summerhill from the Inner Relief Road comes off at the Caltragh Interchange and goes via an alternative route.

Crotchety · 21-06-2009 10:01pm

That Inner relief road is to blame anyway. It's just a mini dual-carriageway in the middle of a town. Some relief that is!

bobcar61 · 21-06-2009 10:28pm

I've heard about the road that is planned to go from the Caltragh interchange on the current N4 to the Strandhill, it is due to link up at the junction at Kevinsfort.

A western bypass would mean building a new bridge.

A western bypass just wouldn't be viable with all the commercial units and the docks out to the west. If a bypass is to be built it should be to the east but then we have to worry about the lake.

mike65 · 21-06-2009 10:37pm

City? Actually maybe Sligo is a city its got its own whore rental business.

http://www.sligobabes.com/gallery.html

Xiney · 21-06-2009 10:46pm

In fairness, there isn't a single town on this little island I would deem a "city" :P

ge_ch · 21-06-2009 11:09pm

i know the traffic is bad on the relief road, but thats cause of all the traffic lights. and every town/city no matter how big has traffic problems at rush hour. not even a motorway can solve that.(by the way it says city on that sheet) i live at second sea road and when i look out the window i see fields, the bay and rosses point and thats soon gonna be a dual carriage way instead. it would go though archaeological sites and designated special area of conservation

Crotchety · 21-06-2009 11:13pm

"It says it on the sheet"

Yes. Sligonians have this issue about being a city or something. It does be plastered all over the local papers. Even the council use it I think. I don't know why though.

darealtulip · 22-06-2009 7:54am

The small part of Rotterdam I'm from has a bigger population then Sligo, The population of sligo only fills the Feyenoord stadium half full!! And I class Rotterdam as a small city.

Xiney · 22-06-2009 7:58am

♫ wrote: »

"It says it on the sheet"

Yes. Sligonians have this issue about being a city or something. It does be plastered all over the local papers. Even the council use it I think. I don't know why though.

because they have a right to - since the cathedral was built it's officially a city.

Doesn't matter how many people live in it because that's not how a city is defined in Ireland.

mike65 · 22-06-2009 8:50am

That Sligo has a Cathedral means nothing under Irish law (or is Sligo thinking of going UDI route?). Lismore would also be a city by that definiton.

bobcar61 · 22-06-2009 10:02am

I think for somewhere to be deemed a city it must have a few characteristics or facilities including a cathedral and some others, I think a 3rd level education centre is on that list.

Cool Mo D · 22-06-2009 10:52am

No.

The official definition of a city in Ireland is set by the Local Government act, which names the five cities: Dublin, Cork, Limerick, Galway, and Waterford, which all have city councils with specific powers.
The act also recognises that Kilkenny has a long history of being called a city, so it is allowed to call itself a city as a ceremonial thing, even though it does not have the same powers as a "real" city.

There are no other criteria: size, cathedrals, 3rd level institutes, old royal charters are not relevant.

darealtulip · 22-06-2009 11:09am

so putting signs up with 'city center parking is not enough then?

Had to laugh when I saw those.

zonEEE · 22-06-2009 11:29am

Sligo is a gateway city

darealtulip · 22-06-2009 11:33am

gateway to what?? The sheep in donegal?:D:D:D

Crotchety · 22-06-2009 1:22pm

The Cathedtral has nothing to do with it. Plenty of other towns in the country have one and we don't see them going about calling themselves a city. These Sligo ones must be jealous of Galway or something! :pac:

Tech3 · 22-06-2009 1:35pm

This about the bypass not the City status of Sligo.

The type of road depends on a few factors mainly how much AADT is on the route. Im in favour for a eastern bypass of Sligo linking up with the N16 and then the N15.

The western bypass would be too expensive having to build a bridge/tunnel to pass.

Essexboy · 22-06-2009 1:45pm

tech2 wrote: »

This about the bypass not the City status of Sligo.

The type of road depends on a few factors mainly how much AADT is on the route. Im in favour for a eastern bypass of Sligo linking up with the N16 and then the N15.

The western bypass would be too expensive having to build a bridge/tunnel to pass.

What is AADT?

Sligo could have had an eastern bypass earlier if it was not for the shortsightedness and greed of local politicians and businessmen. Now it would be more difficult and expensive to construct and the proposed new N15 won't help.

bobcar61 · 22-06-2009 1:57pm

If a proper bypass is to be built than a bridge will have to be constructed no matter what route the bypass is to take.

Crotchety · 22-06-2009 2:22pm

bobcar61 wrote: »

If a proper bypass is to be built than a bridge will have to be constructed no matter what route the bypass is to take.

Is there a river behind the mountains?

bobcar61 · 22-06-2009 2:27pm

Which mountains?

If you go to the east of the town there is Doorley Park so for a bypass you would have to go further east. Then you have Lough Gill in the way.

Crotchety · 22-06-2009 2:30pm

The river which runs through Sligo is small anyway so it wouldn't b e that hard to get a bridge built.

SligoBrewer · 22-06-2009 9:30pm

♫ wrote: »

The river which runs through Sligo is small anyway so it wouldn't b e that hard to get a bridge built.

:rolleyes:

Xiney · 22-06-2009 9:39pm

♫, stop stirring the pot.

Birdnuts · 22-06-2009 9:43pm

Have the proposers of this project not noticed this:rolleyes:

Crotchety · 22-06-2009 9:57pm

I'm stirring no pot. I'm making a point. It would be feasible to have a bridge built over the river as it is so small.

bobcar61 · 22-06-2009 10:31pm

You'd be surprised. You'd have to fins a feasible route either side of the town, West or East. The East is fairly densely populated and there is a lovely park there which has just been done up so it would be a shame to see that go so you'd need to go further East and then you have the lake and and hills in the way. And don't forget on the North side of the town you have the hospital, the I.T and more houses so you'd want to go around these for a proper bypass that nobody would be complaining about a few years into the future.

And to the West of the town there is Finisklin Industrial Estate on the South side of the river and Cartron to the North so a decent bypass would need to go around it and you have the port opposite Cartron so it's not as easy as "just build a bridge", where are you going to put it.

And don't even bother suggesting a tunnel, like that would ever happen.

Just out of curiosity ♫, when was the last time you were in Sligo.

Crotchety · 22-06-2009 10:34pm

I was in Sligo on the June Bank Holiday.

bobcar61 · 22-06-2009 10:40pm

Well it's not as easy as just build a bridge. Where would you put it?

Crotchety · 22-06-2009 10:43pm

Across the river.

Sorry I couldn't resist that one.

I don't know you live there so you would have more of an idea. Could you not just build it beside the other one?

Culchie · 22-06-2009 10:46pm

Jesus H Christ ... a 5 minute delay at Summerhill Roundabout in the mornings and we need a fecking new bridge?

I'd rather see the money spent on our sick and elderly.... sorry for being so boring.

Crotchety · 22-06-2009 10:49pm

That's what I was thinking too. It happens everywhere.

bobcar61 · 22-06-2009 10:49pm

Why would one do that, that's still in town and it wouldn't be a bypass then, a bypass would need to go around the section between Hughes Bridge and the junction with Ash Lane.
And you need to build a road to link up with the bridge if it was to be built beside the existing one, where would that be built? There is so many building that would need to be demolished.

As Xiney said, stop stirring the pot.

SligoBrewer · 22-06-2009 11:49pm

Culchie wrote: »

Jesus H Christ ... a 5 minute delay at Summerhill Roundabout in the mornings and we need a fecking new bridge?

Actually no, O'Connell St needs to be reopened to allow traffic through the town, not around it.

Culchie · 22-06-2009 11:51pm

SligoBrewer wrote: »

Actually no, O'Connell St needs to be reopened to allow traffic through the town, not around it.

Agreed, i'm just ranting

Crotchety · 23-06-2009 12:06am

I'm not stirring the pot but I think it's another factor. That's it. I don't know why the council closed the street. Anytime I was on it there weren't even that many people there so it wasn't as if the footpaths weren't big enough. It made the traffic worse rather than better. From what I was reading in the local papers that seemed to be the public opinion as well. It wouldn't be too late to reopen as it's still the same as an ordinary street. It hasn't been done up or anything as far as I'm aware.

Essexboy · 23-06-2009 4:16pm

Culchie wrote: »

Jesus H Christ ... a 5 minute delay at Summerhill Roundabout in the mornings and we need a fecking new bridge?

I'd rather see the money spent on our sick and elderly.... sorry for being so boring.

Forget Summerhill. Have you ever driven on the Bundoran Road in the morning?

JupiterKid · 23-06-2009 5:14pm

Does Sligo really need another major road scheme? After all the inner relief road was only built a few short years ago.

I can't see how a western bypass of the town would easily reconnect to the Bundoran road on the Northside. Surely a route East of the town would be more logical?

Anyhow - given the current economic climate there's zilch money to built such a project. I'd say it's a decade or more away.

Crotchety · 23-06-2009 5:51pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

Given the current economic climate there's zilch money to built such a project. I'd say it's a decade or more away.

I would have to agree. There would hardly be enough money to transport those trees perched on O'Connell Street to reopen the street to traffic, let alone a new road. Those days are gone.

Culchie · 23-06-2009 6:21pm

Essexboy wrote: »

Forget Summerhill. Have you ever driven on the Bundoran Road in the morning?

How bad is it ....really .... 5 mins, maybe 10 .... as I said the hospitals need the money more.

Essexboy · 23-06-2009 9:03pm

Culchie wrote: »

How bad is it ....really .... 5 mins, maybe 10 .... as I said the hospitals need the money more.

Are you suggesting that money saved by not building decent roads in Sligo will be diverted to the hospitals?
Come off it! Sligo General is already being run down by the transfer of cancer services to Galway, the closure of the stroke unit etc. and Garden Hill, a private institution, has announced cutbacks and job losses.

Crotchety · 23-06-2009 9:04pm

You hardly want cancer services in every County.

shellyriver · 23-06-2009 10:02pm

Ya your right. The Government have all the answers. The HSE is great. The County Council and Corporation are wonderful. There's really no need to worry or perish the thought express a view on anything. It's only right that investment should be place into Dublin and East Coast and/or Galway for last 20 years. we really should just learn to be at one with our little sheep herds and be glad to get plug tobacco to puff our little clay pipes, whilst admiring all around us. We don't know we are born. Gee thanks for all the good advice guys.

Crotchety · 23-06-2009 10:30pm

I sense your not telling the truth eh!

All I'm saying is you can't possibly have services in every county. Anyway with the current crisis there is no money for such projects. People will just have to sweat it out in their cars and sit in the traffic for a while longer. A car without motion won't kill you.

darealtulip · 24-06-2009 6:40am

it's hardly a traffic jam anyway. at most you have a 15 minute delay and only at certain times. I don't think the traffic is bad at all.

I think I'm just more used to traffic then most people here, being from Rotterdam where there are traffic jams at 3 in the morning.

Saying that, is the traffic around sligo really worth spending millions? And is it worth disrupting the landscape etc around sligo?

There are only two a very short rush hours. I normaly started a half hour earlier end went home a half hour early and had no problems with traffic at all.

As I said it's probaly what your used to.

Tech3 · 24-06-2009 7:09am

Essexboy wrote: »

What is AADT?

Sligo could have had an eastern bypass earlier if it was not for the shortsightedness and greed of local politicians and businessmen. Now it would be more difficult and expensive to construct and the proposed new N15 won't help.

Average Annual Daily Traffic.

The Sligo bypass is a pipedream anyway with the current financial difficulties the country is in and also there is more priority schemes to start ahead of this one.

The Eastern bypass makes more sense as the N16 would then be linking to the N4. It looks difficult to implement both though.

western city bypass

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