Roscommon football.....

oneillMan999

Apart from new york and kilkenny...are Roscommon the worst team in Ireland??

Mike...

oneillMan999 wrote: »

Apart from new york and kilkenny...are Roscommon the worst team in Ireland??

Most likely they are worse than London or New York

siobhan.murphy

ha ha Kilkenny will show Galways shortly in Tullamore

oneillMan999

siobhan.murphy wrote: »

ha ha Kilkenny will show Galways shortly in Tullamore

FOOTBALL SIOBHAN...FOOTBALL!! :rolleyes:

dennistuam

leitrim :eek:
london:eek:
longford:eek:
louth:eek:
limerick:eek:
licenstein :eek:
lanzorotten:eek:


lunney coinidense
mulder and scully knows

Stevecw

Well being from Carlow, i felt we were worst apart from London & Kilkenny! But now i'm not so sure.

Roscommon were like a bad junior c side today...it was shocking how bad they were:eek:

I think us and every other county who is in qualifiers want to draw the Rossies in round 2.

1st round v London & then 2nd round v Roscommon = for once a long summer of football for Carlow!!

Ordinary man

Roscommon had a bad day today, Mayo had a good one. No need to over react. Mayo can play very well and are hard to play against once a season usually. Unfortuneately for Roscommon it was today. They are a young team on a learning curve so ease up on all the "worst team around" stuff. ( And i am a mayoman btw. Lose with dignity, win with grace)

eagle eye

oneillMan999 wrote: »

Apart from new york and kilkenny...are Roscommon the worst team in Ireland??

*mono* wrote: »

Most likely they are worse than London or New York

Stevecw wrote: »

Well being from Carlow, i felt we were worst apart from London & Kilkenny! But now i'm not so sure.

Roscommon were like a bad junior c side today...it was shocking how bad they were

I think us and every other county who is in qualifiers want to draw the Rossies in round 2.

1st round v London & then 2nd round v Roscommon = for once a long summer of football for Carlow!!

So I guess that fact that they beat Leitrim in Carrick-on-Shannon means nothing then?

Or that they hammered Offaly in the league, or that they also beat Louth and Longford?

I think you get carried away very easily.

Get a grip on reality.

Conditioned

Very poor performance yesterday. Two years in a row now Roscommon have been very poor in the Championship. I believe Leitrim, had they a good free taker on the day, should have beaten Roscommon the last day and with hindsight that would have worked out better for Roscommon rather than the thumpping they got yesterday.

Roscommon football in my opinion is far better than their recent showings. I'm not from Roscommon but I've played regular chalenges against Roscommon club teams and have always been impressed with their agression and physicality. But I never see this when it comes to intercounty. I believe they've tried to push through to many minor players at the one time. This in my opinion is a failing most counties who have limited sucess do. As soon as they have a good minor team they try to rush them all through to senior. They'd be better off using their u21 and Junior teams to develop the majority of these players and let them develop physically and as a team. They would also help prevent burn out as these players are at an age where there going to possibly be playing for club, college and county teams and I'm not even taking into account other factors which could cause burnout like college exams and the travelling the players in college would need to do to attend training.

turnbuckle

bring back Nigel Dineen for the rest of the season will help the younger players find there feet

grenache

dennistuam wrote: »

leitrim :eek:
london:eek:
longford:eek:
louth:eek:
limerick:eek:
licenstein :eek:
lanzorotten:eek:


lunney coinidense
mulder and scully knows

You can take Limerick out of that bunch, we've got a fine football team thank you very much. As for Roscommon, they're definitely better than what they showed against Mayo. They did alright in Division 3 this year and i can think of 7 or 8 teams that are below them in the championship pecking order. But they're are a total enigma. Winning the 2001 Connacht title should have been the beginning of a new era of success for them, but they've managed to go backwards ever since. The incident with the naked players playing pool (i think?) a few years back and players walking out of training has unfortunately turned Roscommon team into somewhat of a laughing stock. There are as many good footballers in Roscommon as there are in any other county, what they lack is discipline and self belief. Winning All Irelands at underage level doesn't always guarantee success at senior level, the hurlers of Galway and Limerick will testify to this. The Rossies will come good again, there's too much talent in the county to be among the also-rans for ever.

DC_Roscommon

The teams that will be in Division 4 next year, New York and possibly Offaly are worse than Roscommon:(

colly10

No these are also worse than Roscommon -

Carlow
Leitrim
Tipperary
London
Clare
Wicklow
Longford
Waterford
Sligo
Antrim

DC_Roscommon

colly10 wrote: »

No these are also worse than Roscommon -

Carlow
Leitrim
Tipperary
London
Clare
Wicklow
Longford
Waterford
Sligo
Antrim

Dunno about these three. Tipp finished 2nd in Division 3 something like 8 points behind Down in goal difference but beat them in the final. Antrim had a good win against Donegal and I don't see Sligo being beaten by more than 7/8 points by Galway

colly10

DC_Roscommon wrote: »

Dunno about these three. Tipp finished 2nd in Division 3 something like 8 points behind Down in goal difference but beat them in the final. Antrim had a good win against Donegal and I don't see Sligo being beaten by more than 7/8 points by Galway

They would certainly be the closest 3 to Roscommon out of the teams i've picked, close games I would think

grenache

On last weekend's performances, antrim and sligo are certainly better teams than roscommon, and on current form tipp are also.

DB10

Looking at that list Tipp,Antrim and Sligo are better I agree.

But I would add Fermanagh who are a very poor side.

TheWifeBeater

Ya Roscommon are fairly ****e at the moment. But they MAY gain a small amount of competetivness when there crop of minors mature although i think donie shine is VERY overrated.

DC_Roscommon

We've got through to the last 4 Connaught minor finals.... Maybe:)

dec25532

The only good thing that Roscommon did last Sunday week was make Mayo believe (foolishly) that not alone will they win Connacht but an All-Ireland title is there for the taking.

Someone earlier mentioned the need for Nigel Dineen to be brought back, more like Frankie Dolan to my mind or indeed Shane Curran. There were players with steel. Roscommon do not have any cut about them now and won't last p**sing time in the qualifiers.

LeoB

From what I hear maybe club football and the standards need to be looked at. CONDITIONED mentioned he was impressed with the club sides physicality and agression but didnt mention skill. Is there to much emphasis on the physical side of things in club football in Roscommon? From what I hear the answer is yes.

It would be great to see them back in Croke Pk like the great sides of the late 70s and early 80s with Early, Murray Finneran Freyne and the likes.

DC_Roscommon

LeoB wrote: »

From what I hear maybe club football and the standards need to be looked at. CONDITIONED mentioned he was impressed with the club sides physicality and agression but didnt mention skill. Is there to much emphasis on the physical side of things in club football in Roscommon? From what I hear the answer is yes.

Maybe in club football but certainly not in the senior side. Mayo were much more physically stronger than Ros. Maybe there were too many U-21 playing, You have to wonder what they do be doing in training..... I hope the draw is kind to us but I'd put money on that we'll get Kerry away.....
May

DC_Roscommon

dec25532 wrote: »

The only good thing that Roscommon did last Sunday week was make Mayo believe (foolishly) that not alone will they win Connacht but an All-Ireland title is there for the taking.

Hmmm... I think Mayo will win Connaught. Galway deserved to be beaten last Sunday.

dec25532 wrote: »

Someone earlier mentioned the need for Nigel Dineen to be brought back, more like Frankie Dolan to my mind or indeed Shane Curran. There were players with steel. Roscommon do not have any cut about them now and won't last p**sing time in the qualifiers.

They had talent too;)

DC_Roscommon

Wexford away... I hope we keep it respectable

DC_Roscommon

DC_Roscommon wrote: »

Wexford away... I hope we keep it respectable

Louisc

the problem with roscommon is the small population.
Just around 50'000 people.
And most of the young people move away to urban centres for jobs, and can't be bothered playing GAA anymore.
I know because I used to live there. I quit football when I moved to Dublin.

Roscommon winning an all Ireland would be like Stoke City winning the FA cup, or Italy winning a grand Slam in Rugby, or Padraig Harrington winning eight consecutive majors.
It's not going to happen.

Also a lot of young people in Roscommon have a distain for GAA and prefer to play other sports especially soccer.

wow sierra

I thought the reason this thread was resurrected was because of Roscommons performance away to Wexford on Saturday. Apart from the draw the other positive from the game was how well Cathal Cregg played - its just great to have him back. Kilbride played very well too.

Re the Mayo game, Roscommon were not as bad as that game seemed to suggest. We are an average/below average team and for the Mayo game we were missing our best two players (Kilbride and Cregg) I'm not making excuses but a county like Roscommon need all their players to have any chance. Good luck to them in the replay on Sat anyway.

LeoB

That was a good draw for Roscommon. Confidence is the big thing now and digging out another result.

The point I was making above is to do with the way players behave in club football and then tog out beside the opponents from a "rough" match the week before from the county. This causes serious problems in some counties.

Population is not really an excuse for some inept performances. If the players make the sacrafices the y will reap the rewards. Look at your minor team from a few years ago. Dublin is only 2 hours from Roscommon and Derek Thompson, Ken Duggan and lads I knew in Dublin used to go home for training. Are some lads hanging on to long on the county panel?

Plus 10

LeoB wrote: »

That was a good draw for Roscommon. Confidence is the big thing now and digging out another result.

The point I was making above is to do with the way players behave in club football and then tog out beside the opponents from a "rough" match the week before from the county. This causes serious problems in some counties.

Population is not really an excuse for some inept performances. If the players make the sacrafices the y will reap the rewards. Look at your minor team from a few years ago. Dublin is only 2 hours from Roscommon and Derek Thompson, Ken Duggan and lads I knew in Dublin used to go home for training. Are some lads hanging on to long on the county panel?

I disagree - of course population is a significant factor in a county's abilty to produce top teams. In fact given their population base Roscommon have significantly overperformed over the years.

No coincidence that the other teams being mentioned include Leitrim, Longford, etc - hardly large population centres.

Also 20% of a panel travelling 2 hours back and forth 3/4 times a week is hardly helping. No one hanging on too long on the panel at present - in fact the opposite is the case with all the young lads on it

LeoB

Fair points but.......

Why dont Dublin win the All-Ireland with the population they have?

Roscommon could compete 20 years ago when less people travelled home. A lot of teams who have players living and working in Dublin get them to train in Dublin. The Kerry side of the 70s and 80s.

I just firmly believe that if proper structures are put in place in any club or county there is no reason why that team can not be successful.

Take some northern counties, even if the are 75% nationalist and allowing for the people who dont play G.A.A they are far more succesful that a lot of side especially over the last 15 years because they were way ahead in coaching structures.

Anyway Wexford are my second favourite team, mother from New Ross But I would not mind Roscommon getting back to Croke Park

Louisc

I think population has everything to do with the fact that Roscommon are traditionally worse than Galway, and Mayo, yet better than Leitrim.
They are also traditionally a little better than Sligo, because soccer is so big in Sligo.


There are other factors too of course.

Also in Roscommon, the demographics shows that there is a disproportionally high number of older people...the young people leave, Roscommon has hardly any industry or employment.
Without the EU subsidies, and State Jobs, Roscommon would almost be deserted.

Dublin have a big population, but GAA is not that popular there, hate to say it, but some people there see it as being a bit backward..

The Northern counties do well in spite of a small population, because GAA is an expression of their identity, and it's very important to the people who see themselves as native Irish.

TheWifeBeater

Louisc wrote: »

I think population has everything to do with the fact that Roscommon are traditionally worse than Galway, and Mayo, yet better than Leitrim.
They are also traditionally a little better than Sligo, because soccer is so big in Sligo.


There are other factors too of course.

Also in Roscommon, the demographics shows that there is a disproportionally high number of older people...the young people leave, Roscommon has hardly any industry or employment.
Without the EU subsidies, and State Jobs, Roscommon would almost be deserted.

Dublin have a big population, but GAA is not that popular there, hate to say it, but some people there see it as being a bit backward..

The Northern counties do well in spite of a small population, because GAA is an expression of their identity, and it's very important to the people who see themselves as native Irish.

Have to dissagree witht this comment because Football in galway has to compete with soccer(the juvenile club scene in galway is much more prominent than in sligo) and hurling and other popular sports like rugby and golf.

Louisc

TheWifeBeater wrote: »

Have to dissagree witht this comment because Football in galway has to compete with soccer(the juvenile club scene in galway is much more prominent than in sligo) and hurling and other popular sports like rugby and golf.

There are over 4 times as many people living in Galway county as Roscommon county.
Galway probably have more registered GAA footballers than Roscommon. That's why they beat Roscommon most of the time.

If Galway are Liverpool, Roscommon are Sunderland (at a push).
Mayo would be Aston Villa, Sligo would be Stoke City, and Leitrim would be Leyton Orient.

RocketRonnie

They may hope they don't get lucky and beat Wexford because they won't keep it kicked out to Meath in the next round....!!!!!!!!!!!!

yabadabado

roscommon were very poor against mayo but they are nowhere near the worst team around.they are playing in their 4th connaught minor final in a row and won the all ireland 4 yearss ago ,so with there is a good base to work from in the next few years.one of the biggest problems roscommon have had since they won connaught in '01 is lack of discipline in the squad and this had to be weeded out ,so now they are left with a very young squad.

eagle eye

Louisc wrote: »

the problem with roscommon is the small population.
Just around 50'000 people.
.

So based on this we shoud expect the All-Ireland to be between Dublin, Antrim, Cork, Down and Derry every year?

Mike...

Roscommon are just dire pure and simple,
when that fool willie hegarty has to blame the ref for everything then something def wrong.
His coverage on shannonside, of the wexford game, was biased and brutal...

Roscommon are a crap team no need to make excuses.

eagle eye

RocketRonnie wrote: »

They may hope they don't get lucky and beat Wexford because they won't keep it kicked out to Meath in the next round....!!!!!!!!!!!!

So lets go through this post. If they beat Wexford after drawing with them the last day then they got lucky?

And then you are raving about a Meath team who have won nothing for how many years?

I think Leinster football is in a more shambolic state than Connacht football.

Dublin are the best team in Leinster and look what happened to them last year when they met Tyrone. Now there is a huge dropoff in Leinster alright and I'm not saying that Roscommon would beat Meath if they do end up playing them, but Meath are hardly a fearsome top level football team right now.

eagle eye

Mike... wrote: »

Roscommon are just dire pure and simple,
when that fool willie hegarty has to blame the ref for everything then something def wrong.
His coverage on shannonside, of the wexford game, was biased and brutal...

Roscommon are a crap team no need to make excuses.

Who is Willie Hegarty? What is his role in the Roscommon football team?

Why do you have to use such pathetic language to describe a team?

I notice two words in your post there biased and brutal, I think it best describes your own post.

yabadabado

willie hegarty is brutal but hes has no connection with the county footballers other than he does radio coverage of games.

Mike...

eagle eye wrote: »

Who is Willie Hegarty? What is his role in the Roscommon football team?

I wouldn't know what his role is but he is in the Hyde office every time I am there, I was sure he lived in the place

corcaioch

oneillMan999 wrote: »

Apart from new york and kilkenny...are Roscommon the worst team in Ireland??

Ridiculous thread... Carlow and Clare for two along with the Leitrim team Roscommon beat in Leitrim in this years Connacht championship - along with a few others.

Roscommon are still in the Championship unlike half of the teams in the country.

RocketRonnie

eagle eye wrote: »

So lets go through this post. If they beat Wexford after drawing with them the last day then they got lucky?

And then you are raving about a Meath team who have won nothing for how many years?

I think Leinster football is in a more shambolic state than Connacht football.

Dublin are the best team in Leinster and look what happened to them last year when they met Tyrone. Now there is a huge dropoff in Leinster alright and I'm not saying that Roscommon would beat Meath if they do end up playing them, but Meath are hardly a fearsome top level football team right now.

You're pretty accurate in what u say about Leinster football been a disaster.... just look at Wexfords performance last week!!!!

I'm far from ravin on about Meath believe me!! They still would easily beat Roscommon in the next round!
So havin an average team which hasn't won anything in years easily beatin u pretty much sums up the state of football in Roscommon

Plus 10

Ros up their with Laois, Offaly and Monaghan for performance relative to population.

Should be expecting more from Cork, Donegal, Kildare & Meath

http://www.cso.ie/statistics/popofeachprovcountycity2006.htm

rossie1977

Louisc wrote: »

I think population has everything to do with the fact that Roscommon are traditionally worse than Galway, and Mayo, yet better than Leitrim.
They are also traditionally a little better than Sligo, because soccer is so big in Sligo.


There are other factors too of course.

Also in Roscommon, the demographics shows that there is a disproportionally high number of older people...the young people leave, Roscommon has hardly any industry or employment.
Without the EU subsidies, and State Jobs, Roscommon would almost be deserted.

Dublin have a big population, but GAA is not that popular there, hate to say it, but some people there see it as being a bit backward..

The Northern counties do well in spite of a small population, because GAA is an expression of their identity, and it's very important to the people who see themselves as native Irish.

teams like roscommon can only really expect a good team every 20 years or so, its not that long ago roscommon were dominating connaught (5 wins in a row late 70s/early 80s) and people were complaining that kerry and roscommon were so far ahead of everyone else it was a joke, in the connaught final of 1980 roscommon beat mayo 3-13 to 0-8, roscommon beat armagh by 7 points in the semi (an armagh team that had scored an amazing 4-11 in the ulster final a few weeks previous)

where were tyrone then, where was derry then, did they not have as strong expression of their identity back then or is it something else like a bunch of fine players/teams/mgt coming together at one time??

siobhan.murphy

mike u are no addition to this thread

cruiserweight

Anybody else listening to the Roscommon v Wexford game? Roscommon are winning by a point at half time 0-7 to 0-6. From what I can gather from the commentary on the radio Wexford are giving away a lot of frees (5 of Roscommons 7 points came from frees) and Roscommon seem to be having the better of it around the middle of the field.

cruiserweight

siobhan.murphy wrote: »

mike u are no addition to this thread

Please attack the post and not the poster

siobhan.murphy

come on d ros!

siobhan.murphy

Thats me boys!nice one lads!!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:

Het-Field

I almost had my head cut off for call Wexford's performance in 2008 "a flash in the pan". It shows, that I wasnt too wide of the mark when I suggested this

Im amazed that Wexford couldnt take out a Roscommon side who are at their lowest ebb. The heavy defeat to Kildare, and succesive poor performances against a demoralised county will set Weford football back a number of years