New rifle

mac80

Hi lads,

I've been stalking the forum for a while now but have a question
I have been shooting for a few years now both shotgun and rifle.
I have a CZ 452 .22 and really only use it for shooting vermin like rabbits and crows and ther odd fox.
My question is what is the best upgrade for me to be able to shoot at greater distance and more accurately.
I have read that a .223 round is pretty powerful and also reasonably cheap to fire.

Is the .220 a better option??

Would my existing .22 license cover me to purchase a .223 or .220 calibre without a re apply?
What is the average cost of a decent box of ammo for same?
What is the maximum range for a clean kill and/or accurate group of a .223/.220 rifle

Sorry bout all the questions.
Thanks
Mac

Sparks

Moving to the main forum.

Meyer

mac80 wrote: »

I have read that a .223 round is pretty powerful and also reasonably cheap to fire.

The .223 is a pretty good round, but as for reasonably cheap? It isn't too bad, but its far more expensive that .22 so that depends if you find 20 rounds of Remington umc ammo at €12.50 for 20 expensive.

Would my existing .22 license cover me to purchase a .223 or .220 calibre without a re apply?

I changed my .22 for a .223 with no hassle at all, but it's probably down to your FO or your Super as too what they might require, A mate of mine had to reapply when he changed his, so your best bet is to ask your FO in advance if you fancy changing up to the bigger round.

Jonty

If you find you shoot more rabbits than foxes, and the foxes are around the 100yd mark a 17 HMR might be worth a look. If you're shooting more foxes than rabbits then a .223 would be better suited.

As regards the .220 swift have you seen the price of ammo for it??:eek:

rob308

maybe another option might be the old reliable 22 hornet. good for foxes and rabbits etc. cheap to run and plenty of knocking power. greatly underrated little round imo

clivej

With a 223 touching groups @100m are possible, when shooting off the bench, but sub 20mm are more like it with a hunting rifle not a target rifle. My best was sub 30mm @300 but I could never do it again no matter how hard I tried.

Ammo is from €12 - €28 a box of 20 rounds. The better the smaller groups I find.

Keep your 22lr for the vermine and use the 223 for foxes and the like.

paddy2008

i have a 220 swift and my father has a 223,now size matters the 223 is a toy compared to the swift.i had a rem .17 centrefire before it and was a golryfied bunny basher! highly dissapointed with it.rounds was the same price as the swift 29e for 20.mate of mine has a ruger 204 another great tool but also expensive to run.

Jonty

paddy2008 wrote: »

i have a 220 swift and my father has a 223,now size matters the 223 is a toy compared to the swift.i had a rem .17 centrefire before it and was a golryfied bunny basher! highly dissapointed with it.rounds was the same price as the swift 29e for 20.mate of mine has a ruger 204 another great tool but also expensive to run.

There gone up a bit since.

paddy2008

still buying 50 grain rem hp 29e box of 20. can pay 36e for horndy v-max

Jonty

paddy2008 wrote: »

still buying 50 grain rem hp 29e box of 20. can pay 36e for horndy v-max

You're doing well on them so. The swift is an awesome calibre

paddy2008

Jonty wrote: »

You're doing well on them so. The swift is an awesome calibre

she packs a great punch:D

Hezz700

paddy2008 wrote: »

she packs a great punch:D

+1:D

mac80

Thanks lads for all the replies,

I'll take a trip into the local gun shop over the weekend and see what he has and what he reckons the local FO will have to say.
.223 looks like a brilliant round from what i've read, and would definitly take care of those Grey Backs that seem to land when they know their out of range of my .22lr

.22 Hornet from what i've read on other threads seems like another option but rounds are a bit dear and bang for buck i'd prefer the .223

paddy2008

millard brothers were doing a good deal on .223 (howa 1500 or savage)were i think around 700e, an old irish shooters digest should confirm this. hope this is some help

bunny shooter

paddy2008 wrote: »

she packs a great punch:D

+1

Cheap 223 ammo is generally not that good. Decent ammo eg remmy accutip in my local dealers costs €36 for 20, which is the price I'm paying for federal Swift, which are awsome, isn't that right Hezz

endasmail

youd pick up hornady vmax 20 - 25 e for twenty
or federal soft point for around the same price bit cheaper they all quality ammo
buy in bulk and youl save afew more quid

Hezz700

bunny shooter wrote: »

+1

Cheap 223 ammo is generally not that good. Decent ammo eg remmy accutip in my local dealers costs €36 for 20, which is the price I'm paying for federal Swift, which are awsome, isn't that right Hezz

Too right:)

k_d

endasmail wrote: »

youd pick up hornady vmax 20 - 25 e for twenty
or federal soft point for around the same price bit cheaper they all quality ammo
buy in bulk and youl save afew more quid

have to agree..im using hornady vmax 55g and never had a fox move from where it stood, there 25 a box.. (picked up some 40g yesturday eve so will be givin them a go aslo,same price)

the remingtons accutips are also good,they dont group from my rifle as well so i dont use them, but the fact they are 35e+ doesnt atract me to them.

50g umc hollow point can be got for 12 a box,great on rabbits but gotta spend the few extra quid on better stuff for the foxs.

bunny shooter

k_d wrote: »

have to agree..im using hornady vmax 55g and never had a fox move from where it stood, there 25 a box.. (picked up some 40g yesturday eve so will be givin them a go aslo,same price)

the remingtons accutips are also good,they dont group from my rifle as well so i dont use them, but the fact they are 35e+ doesnt atract me to them.

50g umc hollow point can be got for 12 a box,great on rabbits but gotta spend the few extra quid on better stuff for the foxs.

Endasmail is referring to Hornet not 223 :eek:

mac80

Just checked with the local FO and it should be no problem to swap a.22 to a .223

mac80

Ok lads after having a think over the weekend and reading quite a few web posts I have decided that because I shoot more rabbits, Magpies/Crows than foxs and I'm goin to change from a .22 to .17HMR

It will give me that extra punch I was looking for and if I decide to go after the foxes more I'll apply for a 223. I Still have the shotgun anyway
I'm thinking of going for a CZ 17HMR not sure of the model number but it has a synthetic black stock Its goin for €500 NEW

Now all I have to do is visit the FO again and check thatI can get my .22 firearm cert amended to .17HMR instaed of .223
Hopefully it wont be an issue and i'll be out with a new gun soon

Anyone here have a CZ 17HMR ? I believe its a decent gun?

Duck's hoop

Yeah, I picked up mine last week and while I haven't shot all that much through it just yet I'm quite impressed.

There is a noise issue, but to be honest with a decent mod on it wasn't as loud as I was expecting, and at 100 yards there's not a huge problem.

A well finished and mostly well made, quality rifle. Get the 16'' - I did and it's a very handy little tool.

There's shedloads of info on CZs all over the place. Try airgun BBS or Rimfire Central.

Oh, and get the .223 as well:D

Cass

mac80 wrote: »

Just checked with the local FO and it should be no problem to swap a.22 to a .223

Won't insult anyone by trying to discuss the finer points of .220 swift or .223 as i've only ever shot each once or twice but never owned one. I was curious though, did your FO say he could swap it there and then or would re-application be needed. Don't mean to tell anyone their business but a .22 is a rimfire and .223 is a centrefire of slightly larger calibre. Under the stricter side of the law you must re-apply for the .223.

If you must apply for the .223 or .220 or whatever you go for you'll be looking at a bit of a wait. The .17HMR is of smaller calibre and can be changed over without applying for new licence. I'm open to contradiction here lads.

mac80

The FO said it can be amended without re application, just get a note from the shop saying that I had handed in my old 22.
It makes sense this way as i have owned guns for more than 10 years so in my opinion I have shown that I am a responsible person to own and use firearms and I also have garda clearence because of the nature of my job so my character should not come into question.

Headin in tomo to put money down on my rifle hopefully Just dont tell the missus !!
Mac

Jonty

ezridax wrote: »

Won't insult anyone by trying to discuss the finer points of .220 swift or .223 as i've only ever shot each once or twice but never owned one. I was curious though, did your FO say he could swap it there and then or would re-application be needed. Don't mean to tell anyone their business but a .22 is a rimfire and .223 is a centrefire of slightly larger calibre. Under the stricter side of the law you must re-apply for the .223.

If you must apply for the .223 or .220 or whatever you go for you'll be looking at a bit of a wait. The .17HMR is of smaller calibre and can be changed over without applying for new licence. I'm open to contradiction here lads.

On a rifle license it just says .22, no mention of hornet, swift, magnum or lr. Technically you're right that it should be a separate application, because its bigger, but to have a license ammended from .22 to .17 rem or HMR should also be a new application but its viewed as going down in calibre.

Sometimes its best just to say you want to ammend the license from .22 to .17,

Cass

Last post here lads as i don't want to diverge from the original thread. I changed my .243 to .308 in one day as my FO knew i shot target but i thought it was a bit of a favour thing. Nice to know there are other reasonable and common sensed FOs out there.

Originally posted by mac80

Headin in tomo to put money down on my rifle hopefully Just dont tell the missus !!

Ha ha ha. As i say "i'm the boss of my own house and i have my wife's permission to say so".

Anyway best of luck with whatever you decide.

riflehunter77

mac80 wrote: »

Ok lads after having a think over the weekend and reading quite a few web posts I have decided that because I shoot more rabbits, Magpies/Crows than foxs and I'm goin to change from a .22 to .17HMR

It will give me that extra punch I was looking for and if I decide to go after the foxes more I'll apply for a 223. I Still have the shotgun anyway
I'm thinking of going for a CZ 17HMR not sure of the model number but it has a synthetic black stock Its goin for €500 NEW

Now all I have to do is visit the FO again and check thatI can get my .22 firearm cert amended to .17HMR instaed of .223
Hopefully it wont be an issue and i'll be out with a new gun soon

Anyone here have a CZ 17HMR ? I believe its a decent gun?

Good luck with the new rifle, I dont have a cz but have a marlin in a 17 hmr it shoots like a dream. Try as many brands of ammo when your rifle comes through and find what suits your barell the best. If the 17hmr is anything like .22lr in cz you should have no problems.

The CZ 17 HMR in action

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-owa-p4qzWQ

mac80

Good set of videos, shows off the accuracy of the rifle and your shooting very well,

I'm thinking of getting the CZ silhouette model ( Black ) that has a laminate stock, not sure yet, will hopefully get a chance to go into town today.

Mac

mac80

Cool where did you get the trigger kit for it??

Just got license amended this afternoon, picking up gun tomo

bunny shooter

mac80 wrote: »

Cool where did you get the trigger kit for it??...........

http://cgi.ebay.ie/CZ-452-BRNO-No-2-4-and-5-trigger-kit_W0QQitemZ160343503480QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_2?hash=item255537b278&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177&_trkparms=240%3A1318%7C301%3A1%7C293%3A1%7C294%3A50

mac80

Good stuff thanks,

Is it hard to fit these kits?

Mac

Duck's hoop

It's pretty straightforward, if a little fiddly for a sausage fingered oaf like meself.

riflehunter77

mac80 wrote: »

Good set of videos, shows off the accuracy of the rifle and your shooting very well,

I'm thinking of getting the CZ silhouette model ( Black ) that has a laminate stock, not sure yet, will hopefully get a chance to go into town today.

Mac

Not me shooting, but that cz is a pretty fine looking rifle.

bunny shooter

mac80 wrote: »

Good stuff thanks,

Is it hard to fit these kits?

Mac

No

clivej

A better kit from here
https://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=19001

bunny shooter

Nice one Clive

Do they ship here?

That trigger shoe looks nice

clivej

bunny shooter wrote: »

Nice one Clive

Do they ship here?

That trigger shoe looks nice

Yes @$35 to Ireland and they do all the different CZ 427 calibres.
With or without the trigger shoe "enhancer".



https://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=19001

https://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=19002

https://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=19003

https://www.rimfiretechnologies.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=19004


And you can also get the 427 and 527 Picatinny Base rails for the CZ's.

mac80

Well I got my rifle today fitted with a 9-13" Rockmount bipod and a 4-16X X 50mm scope

The moderator is coming tomorrow.

The weather today was sh1t for shooting, it was bucketing it down all day but i braved the weather to zero the scope on a few paper targets.
A local farmer came up to see what all the racket was and to inform me that he now owns the land but he was dead on and gave me permission to shoot on his other land also, which is great land for rabbits and foxes and very open.

I'm very impressed with the accuracy of this rifle, its easy to shoot but the trigger is a bit stiff and off putting at times. I will be upgrading the trigger.
I ended up taking shelter from the rain in a ditch and ended up getting my first kill, a crow at about 70 meters

I'll take a few pics of my setup in a while, its a CZ 452 american, Black stock and barrel.

Mac

bunny shooter

Well ware Mac and happy shooting

ghostmantra

i just ordered cz 452 adjustable sear for 22lr (no shoe kit) cost 52.87 eur all in, hope it does the job. thanks clivej :D:D

ghostmantra

Dear Valued Customer
Do to USA federal export regulations we are not able to ship trigger control parts or barrels out of the US. We will be issuing a refund shortly. Please let us know if we can help you in the future. Sorry for the inconvenience.


Thank you, Bob
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mac80

I just ordered the yodave trigger upgrade from Ebay via Austrailia

Mac

ghostmantra

thanks mac will have a look :cool:

Duck's hoop

mac80 wrote: »

Well I got my rifle today fitted with a 9-13" Rockmount bipod and a 4-16X X 50mm scope


The moderator is coming tomorrow.

The weather today was sh1t for shooting, it was bucketing it down all day but i braved the weather to zero the scope on a few paper targets.
A local farmer came up to see what all the racket was and to inform me that he now owns the land but he was dead on and gave me permission to shoot on his other land also, which is great land for rabbits and foxes and very open.

I'm very impressed with the accuracy of this rifle, its easy to shoot but the trigger is a bit stiff and off putting at times. I will be upgrading the trigger.
I ended up taking shelter from the rain in a ditch and ended up getting my first kill, a crow at about 70 meters

I'll take a few pics of my setup in a while, its a CZ 452 american, Black stock and barrel.

Mac

I'd say the farmer thought there was some kinda wargame goin on! That little round makes a hell of a boom without yer mod on.

Trigger upgrade is essential alright.
What type ammo you putting through it? And how much you paying if you don't mind? Guy round my way wants 20 yos for a box of Federal - I don't think so.

I'd imagine your crow at 70 meters was turned inside out!

mac80

Using Federal VSHOK 17g at €12.5 a box (50). Havnt tried anything else yet but will order a few boxes of other ammo to test.

The bird was dead alright but not with the damage I was expecting, Hit him in the chest face on, will be out again today and have a few more shots.

Mac

Duck's hoop

12.50 - robbing youknowhats round here. Well good luck with it. Almost feel sorry for the crows. Magpies, now thats a different story...

mac80

Out again today and looks like my enthusiam got the better of me. I slipped while climbing over a gate and sprained my ankle badly.
I dont thnk anythings broken but am sofa bound for the next few days....Ice pack and pain killers at the ready.

Ah well it could be worse, at least I protected my new rifle from a bad fall

On the up side I found an active fox den about 200 yards from the local gun club Pheasent rearing pen.


Mac