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Belgian woman unknowingly covers her face in occult symbolism.

  • 17-06-2009 11:33am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭


    Woman in Belgium supposing asks for three stars on her face claims she fell asleep and woke up with 56. Everything seemed ok until her old man and BF went ballistic at the sight of her, she is now trying to sue the tattoo artist for 10k.

    Look closely and you will notice that nearly all the stars are of the 5 sided inverted pentagrams (Eastern Star) which is often associated with a goats head in satanism, bet she didn't spot this in the book when she chose the design. :eek:

    http://www.totallycrap.com/magazine/when_tattoos_go_wrong/

    http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Acres/4617/HexSigns/pgram.jpg


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    I looked closely and all I saw was a lot of stars on the face of possibly the stupidest teenager in Europe.

    The tattoo artist is one ugly boyo:
    tattoo04.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    PDN wrote: »
    I looked closely and all I saw was a lot of stars on the face of possibly the stupidest teenager in Europe.

    The tattoo artist is one ugly boyo:
    He is like something that came out of the 70's movie Alien.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Looks like a Photoshop job. Still, I'm confused what this has to do with Christianity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Looks like a Photoshop job. Still, I'm confused what this has to do with Christianity.
    Tattoos are a controversial Christian topic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Tattoos are a controversial Christian topic.

    Really? Even if that was the case, what does this particular story have to do with Christianity?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,183 ✭✭✭dvpower


    Really? Even if that was the case, what does this particular story have to do with Christianity?

    When I saw the picture, my first response was "Jesus Christ!".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    This story blows. "Fell asleep" during tattoos?

    Not one word of it rings true.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    This story blows. "Fell asleep" during tattoos?

    Not one word of it rings true.

    My guess is her Dad hit the roof so she tried to pin the blame on the tattoo artist - who looks like he's had a few other things pinned on his face anyway.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    Her family look like very nice people...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    dvpower wrote: »
    When I saw the picture, my first response was "Jesus Christ!".

    rofl :pac:

    Tattoos = bad
    Drink = bad

    Drink + Tattoos = hilarity


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    If she fell asleep while getting her face tattooed, I'm guessing there was more than drink in her system.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭Soul Winner


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    Her family look like very nice people...


    The guy beside her with the QuickSilver T shirt looks really PO'd. What probably made him worse was the fact that the culpable tattooist already looked like what he wanted to do to him.

    tattoo03.jpg

    tattoo04.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭BrianCalgary


    PDN wrote: »
    I looked closely and all I saw was a lot of stars on the face of possibly the stupidest teenager in Europe.

    The tattoo artist is one ugly boyo:
    tattoo04.jpg

    I'm curious if this guy is unemployed and wonders why?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard



    Look closely and you will notice that nearly all the stars are of the 5 sided inverted pentagrams (Eastern Star) which is often associated with a goats head in satanism, bet she didn't spot this in the book when she chose the design. :eek:

    Only at a certain angle.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,718 ✭✭✭The Mad Hatter


    I'm curious if this guy is unemployed and wonders why?

    Um, no, that's the tattoo artist. One of the few lines of work where looking like that is not only a benefit, but a requirement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,196 ✭✭✭BrianCalgary


    Um, no, that's the tattoo artist.

    Really?? :) He's a walking billboard for his business. It hurts looking at him.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Only at a certain angle.
    When her face is in the normal up right position. :p

    The first thing that struck me was the stars used in that infamous EU poster.
    http://www.redicecreations.com/winterwonderland/babylonEU5.jpg

    More than likely she chose these stars from a book, usually selected singly rather than in batches. My ex has three on her foot. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Puck


    PDN wrote: »
    I looked closely and all I saw was a lot of stars on the face of possibly the stupidest teenager in Europe.

    The tattoo artist is one ugly boyo:
    tattoo04.jpg

    That's just mean! The girl asked for 3 little stars on her face and because of what appears to be a problem in translation ended up with way more than she bargained for. She must be somewhat traumatised as I imagine I would be myself.

    Frankly, PDN, I'm a bit shocked that your response to this young woman and her situation is to condemn her as "possibly the stupidest teenager in Europe". You have a reputation around here for your sharp wit and not suffering fools gladly but this is a bit much to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Puck wrote: »
    Frankly, PDN, I'm a bit shocked that your response to this young woman and her situation is to condemn her as "possibly the stupidest teenager in Europe". You have a reputation around here for your sharp wit and not suffering fools gladly but this is a bit much to be honest.

    Anybody who's ever had a tattoo done will tell you that her story is nonsense and there's no way it's true.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Puck


    I've had a few done myself actually. What makes you think there's no way it could be true?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    Read the story.
    Can you guess by checking out the thumb what the problem is with this tattoo? According to the person who’s face it is splashed across aka Kimberley Vlaeminck, there are about 30 stars too many on her face. She says she asked for three next to her eye but she got a whole bunch. Her excuse was that she only spoke Dutch and little English while the tattoo artist in kortrijk, Belgium only spoke French. Yup, that is really going to explain the 30 or so extra stars.

    Her second offering was that she must have dozed off during the session as she had gone to work at 5AM and that is why she could not stop him. Yup, someone poking you with a needle in your face for 30 extra stars is really going to knock you out cold. The tattoo artist says Kimberley was as happy as a slut at a gangbang until her father showed up.

    None of that rings any alarm bells?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Puck


    I read the story on a news site, I tend not to trust articles that start with "LMFAO" as much as I trust newspapers. That is beside the point though, I'll ask my question again: what makes you think there's no way it could be true?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    I made up my mind from a different report than that one, it just summed up my opinion quite succinctly.

    Aside from the generally unfeasible whole of her story - either of the two drafts she cooked up - I have particular difficulty imagining anybody "sleeping through" that much work being done on their face of all places...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Puck


    That really depends on how deep she slept and how much pain she can tolerate. I imagine if I was really exhausted I could have slept through some of the tattoos I've had done. A friend of mine from college slept through third-degree burning from a radiator, which I'd imagine is far more painful than a tattoo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,858 ✭✭✭Undergod


    Look closely and you will notice that nearly all the stars are of the 5 sided inverted pentagrams (Eastern Star) which is often associated with a goats head in satanism, bet she didn't spot this in the book when she chose the design.

    Also associated with loads of other things.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,398 ✭✭✭Phototoxin


    Her excuse was that she only spoke Dutch and little English while the tattoo artist in kortrijk, Belgium only spoke French. Yup, that is really going to explain the 30 or so extra stars.

    As we say in French, le poo-poo du bull.

    Belgians speak more dutch so I'm informed..


  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,531 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    This story blows. "Fell asleep" during tattoos?

    Not one word of it rings true.

    I saw the story n The Mirror today so it must be true:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Undergod wrote: »
    Also associated with loads of other things.
    Like Freemasonry :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,686 ✭✭✭✭PDN


    Phototoxin wrote: »
    As we say in French, le poo-poo du bull.

    Belgians speak more dutch so I'm informed..

    60% Belgians speak Flemish as their first language and 40% speak French. It's quite a controversial subject in a country that, to quote Colin Farrell from 'In Bruges', "is only famous for paedophiles and chocolate ..... and they only make the chocolate to attract the kiddies."

    I am quite amazed that we are becoming so politically correct that we can't have a bit of a laugh at a piece of stunning stupidity. A teenage girl goes to a tattoo artist who looks like something from Dante's Inferno, asks him to tattoo stars on her face, claims to have fallen asleep while her face is being tattooed, and then wants to sue the guy. Duh!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Puck wrote: »
    That's just mean! The girl asked for 3 little stars on her face and because of what appears to be a problem in translation ended up with way more than she bargained for. She must be somewhat traumatised as I imagine I would be myself.

    Frankly, PDN, I'm a bit shocked that your response to this young woman and her situation is to condemn her as "possibly the stupidest teenager in Europe". You have a reputation around here for your sharp wit and not suffering fools gladly but this is a bit much to be honest.

    No one accidental gets their face covered in tattoos. Unless she was heavily drunk (always a possibility I suppose) she would not have slept through her nose being tattooed. That is like saying I feel alseep while someone was hitting me on the head with a hammer.

    Like most of the other posters I imagine this was an excuse she made up when her parents hit the roof.

    What this has to do with the occult I'm not sure. Some times a star is just a star


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Puck


    PDN wrote: »
    60% Belgians speak Flemish as their first language and 40% speak French. It's quite a controversial subject in a country that, to quote Colin Farrell from 'In Bruges', "is only famous for paedophiles and chocolate ..... and they only make the chocolate to attract the kiddies."

    I am quite amazed that we are becoming so politically correct that we can't have a bit of a laugh at a piece of stunning stupidity. A teenage girl goes to a tattoo artist who looks like something from Dante's Inferno, asks him to tattoo stars on her face, claims to have fallen asleep while her face is being tattooed, and then wants to sue the guy. Duh!

    I have no real concern about being politically correct. I just find it quite disappointing that upon reading an article which clearly only wants to point and laugh at someone, calling them stupid, the Christians respond not with grace or sympathy, but by joining in the mockery and condemnation.

    That man's appearance in no way communicates to me that I should expect him to do a terrible job of tattooing me. The guy is clearly interested in tattoos and piercings, far far more than I am, but that still says nothing about his level of professionalism.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,555 ✭✭✭antiskeptic


    PDN wrote: »
    The tattoo artist is one ugly boyo

    Pimping your car is one thing...
    The OP wrote:
    Look closely and you will notice that nearly all the stars are of the 5 sided inverted pentagrams (Eastern Star) which is often associated with..

    ..the average persons depiction of a star when asked to draw one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Puck


    Wicknight wrote: »
    No one accidental gets their face covered in tattoos. Unless she was heavily drunk (always a possibility I suppose) she would not have slept through her nose being tattooed. That is like saying I feel alseep while someone was hitting me on the head with a hammer.

    Like most of the other posters I imagine this was an excuse she made up when her parents hit the roof.

    What this has to do with the occult I'm not sure. Some times a star is just a star

    I'd imagine I would would fall asleep if someone hit me on the head. :)

    Yes it's possible she was drunk, which is a stupid thing to do if one is going to get a tattoo done. It's possible that she made a foolish decision and did just change her story when her parents hit the roof. At the moment I believe her story, but it doesn't matter either way. What I'm objecting to is the complete lack of grace, mercy, sympathy, etc. shown by the Christians here. I just find it kind of sad that we've joined in with "teh lulz", making fun of and condemning both her and the tattoo artist.

    I'm with you on the whole occult connection. Sometimes a star is just a star.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,898 ✭✭✭✭seanybiker


    I would have to agree about her changing her mind once the parents seen her. Yeah tattoos are sore but not extremely sore. I didnt find mine the bad at all. Bits and pieces made me make a few funny faces alright. I imagine the face to be fairly sore and cant imagine someone falling asleep getting it done.

    I think the tattoo artist is well cool looking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 25,848 ✭✭✭✭Zombrex


    Puck wrote: »
    What I'm objecting to is the complete lack of grace, mercy, sympathy, etc. shown by the Christians here. I just find it kind of sad that we've joined in with "teh lulz", making fun of and condemning both her and the tattoo artist.

    Well I'm not a Christian, but I would imagine that since most of the Christians here don't believe her story they feel that a) lying about what happened to her and b) suing the tattoo artist based on that lie are not particularly sympathetic virtues.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Puck


    I guess me believing her story does make a big difference then.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,150 ✭✭✭homer911


    Perhaps this should be merged with the "Are Tatoos un-christian" thread...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭Hivemind187


    When her face is in the normal up right position. :p

    Ill informed as always I see 'Hills.

    Santanism employs an inverted (that means points downwards) pentangle (not a pentagram).

    Most wiccan's etc use the upright pentangle or pentagram (points up).

    However, one would point (hurrhurr) out that most christmas trees (a beloved christian symbol) have a star on top, most of these are 5 points.

    Are you suggesting that all christmas trees are an unholy anathema against christ now?

    The lengths that christians go to to find someone to persecute and denounce for brownie points amazes me ...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock



    The lengths that christians go to to find someone to persecute and denounce for brownie points amazes me ...

    And the near hysterical generalisations you bring to the table are sadly all too predictable.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭Hivemind187


    And the near hysterical generalisations you bring to the table are sadly all too predictable.

    Hello Mr.Pot, this is Mr.Kettle ... dont mention the fact he's black and you'll get on fine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,418 ✭✭✭JimiTime


    Hello Mr.Pot, this is Mr.Kettle ... dont mention the fact he's black and you'll get on fine.

    Ok, rather than two and fro with non-sensical BS for point scoring, lets lay it on the line.

    The lengths that christians go to to find someone to persecute and denounce for brownie points amazes me

    That is a silly generalisation, based on nothing but you being a bitter, anti-christian [insert explaintive as one see's fit]. It does not amaze you at all, and you just want to be an @ss and spit a bit of venom at the locals.
    q.e.d.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,182 ✭✭✭Genghiz Cohen


    JimiTime wrote: »
    Ok, rather than two and fro with non-sensical BS for point scoring, lets lay it on the line.

    The lengths that christians go to to find someone to persecute and denounce for brownie points amazes me

    That is a silly generalisation, based on nothing but you being a bitter, anti-christian [insert explaintive as one see's fit]. It does not amaze you at all, and you just want to be an @ss and spit a bit of venom at the locals.
    q.e.d.

    You're making quite an effort to denounce and persecute Hivemind...

    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,598 ✭✭✭✭prinz


    Phototoxin wrote: »
    As we say in French, le poo-poo du bull.
    Belgians speak more dutch so I'm informed..

    Don't say that to a Walloon :pac:
    PDN wrote: »
    60% Belgians speak Flemish as their first language and 40% speak French. It's quite a controversial subject in a country!

    And woe to he that speaks the wrong language in the wrong part of the country :D. Controversial? It has broken over into civil strife repeatedly and there are still separatist groups looking to end the state of Belgium. I remember being politely told on my first day in a Vlaams Blok heartland to speak English or German, (as I can't speak Flemish) but not to speak French under any circumstances.
    Puck wrote: »
    That's just mean! The girl asked for 3 little stars on her face and because of what appears to be a problem in translation ended up with way more than she bargained for. She must be somewhat traumatised as I imagine I would be myself. Frankly, PDN, I'm a bit shocked that your response to this young woman and her situation is to condemn her as "possibly the stupidest teenager in Europe". You have a reputation around here for your sharp wit and not suffering fools gladly but this is a bit much to be honest.

    If you had read reports of the incident and the tattoo artist's statement then you'd know that (a) an independent witness was in the studio at the time and has offered to verify the artist's version of events (b) he told police to check her mobile phone records, because she was sending and receiving texts during the period she was getting it done while supposedly asleep (c) he claimed and witnessed confirmed she checked herself in the mirror occasionally at various stages (d) under rules and regulations of above board tattoo artists if any customer falls asleep and/or faints, the artist would not continue (e) the girl claimed she awoke when he "started" on her nose...... then she let him continue to do 5 stars on her nose?

    Taking all this into account, I find her story less than believable.

    ...and given that she has since stated that she wants to keep almost half of the stars...:confused:.. I don't think she's all that traumatised tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Hello Mr.Pot, this is Mr.Kettle ... dont mention the fact he's black and you'll get on fine.

    I don't know why you bother posting here. It is clear that you are so desperate to sink the knife that you fumble and trip over all the Christians who don't fit into your exceedingly tiresome stereotypes.

    Please go and find another forum to post on if this type of unwarranted bitter rumbling is all that you can muster. It wont be tolerated here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,580 ✭✭✭Splendour


    Hi Run To Da Hills,

    am curious where you got the occult symbolism title from? Did I miss this in the article? As far as I can see they're just stars! Albeit alot of them!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,560 ✭✭✭DublinWriter


    Looks like a Photoshop job. Still, I'm confused what this has to do with Christianity.
    Maybe she must forgive the tattoo artist?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,783 ✭✭✭Puck


    prinz wrote: »
    Don't say that to a Walloon :pac:



    And woe to he that speaks the wrong language in the wrong part of the country :D. Controversial? It has broken over into civil strife repeatedly and there are still separatist groups looking to end the state of Belgium. I remember being politely told on my first day in a Vlaams Blok heartland to speak English or German, (as I can't speak Flemish) but not to speak French under any circumstances.



    If you had read reports of the incident and the tattoo artist's statement then you'd know that (a) an independent witness was in the studio at the time and has offered to verify the artist's version of events (b) he told police to check her mobile phone records, because she was sending and receiving texts during the period she was getting it done while supposedly asleep (c) he claimed and witnessed confirmed she checked herself in the mirror occasionally at various stages (d) under rules and regulations of above board tattoo artists if any customer falls asleep and/or faints, the artist would not continue (e) the girl claimed she awoke when he "started" on her nose...... then she let him continue to do 5 stars on her nose?

    Taking all this into account, I find her story less than believable.

    ...and given that she has since stated that she wants to keep almost half of the stars...:confused:.. I don't think she's all that traumatised tbh.

    The plot does seem to thicken as time goes by. I read a very early report that had none of that information in it. However I am curious as to whether the early condemnation here stems from her seemingly trying to do one over on the tattoo artist after having made a rash decision and changing her mind when her family found out, or whether people just thought "accidentally" getting your face covered in stars was a very stupid act. I am willing to concede that I may have been wrong about this woman but I'd rather be a fool than a bully. I certainly think there was no cause to insult the tattoo artist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,090 ✭✭✭jill_valentine


    If it makes you feel any better, it was this

    Puck wrote: »
    early condemnation here stems from her seemingly trying to do one over on the tattoo artist after having made a rash decision and changing her mind when her family found out

    She damaged the guy's reputation for something he couldn't feasibly have done, just because she didn't want to take responsibility for her own decision. And he's a tattoo artist, so he trades on his reputation more than anything. She could have ruined him.

    That's the stupidity that's making me cranky, rather than the decision to have the work done, which I don't have any problem with at all.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,021 ✭✭✭Hivemind187


    I don't know why you bother posting here. It is clear that you are so desperate to sink the knife that you fumble and trip over all the Christians who don't fit into your exceedingly tiresome stereotypes.

    Please go and find another forum to post on if this type of unwarranted bitter rumbling is all that you can muster. It wont be tolerated here.

    Instead of whinging about my attitude towards stereotypes, perhaps you could have read the detail which explained the question you have asked over and over "what has this got to do with christianity".

    The point was the stars and my point was that the stars are everywhere, but unsuprisingly a christian has taken offense believing them to be a pagan or satanic symbol.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    Splendour wrote: »
    Hi Run To Da Hills,

    am curious where you got the occult symbolism title from? Did I miss this in the article? As far as I can see they're just stars! Albeit alot of them!
    Eastern stars :p


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