Lost 3 Stone Without Eating Veg - Need Help

heymayo

hi guys so basically About 7 months ago I gave up all fast food, crisps, chocolate, biscuits . I went from 14 stone to now 11 stone.

My diet consisted mainly of a bowl of porridge or muesli for breakfast. I would snack on cream crackers or toast . Also snacked on Apples & some WW products such as WW yoghurts. For dinner I would usually eat mainly chicken fillets. Also made alot of chicken currys with boiled rice.

As you can see I Wouldn't eat vegetables at all. I have tried numerous times to eat veg but I will physically get sick by eating them, Its a bad childhood habit that I have tried getting over many times. I have even tried "Hypnosis" but no luck.

So I lost 3 stone without using veg (Apart frm odd veg soup) and am at a healthy weight of 11 stone for 5.7 male . The problem is that I am still left with a belly and some moobs. Im wondering is it normal for people to be left with belly, love handles & moobs.
Im pissed off after hard work of giving up junk I do not have the desired outcome of my big change. Im wondering should the belly & moobs go soon with more weight loss.

I also only joined a gym, Im wondering would running 30 mins on the threadmill 4 times a week be good cardio for losing weight??

Thanks guys

mloc

Just giving things up won't make you healthy I'm afraid. Attaining a healthy weight and a good physique is about nutrition, not starvation.

Bottle_of_Smoke

"The problem is that I am still left with a belly and some moobs. Im wondering is it normal for people to be left with belly, love handles & moobs. "

I'd get into doing weights and have a high protein low fat low carb diet. Its much easier to lose fat when you have a good deal of lean muscle. Talk to someone in the gym and they'll tell you exactly what to do

As for the veg - how about mashing up some cooked frozen peas and mix them into your curries?

heymayo

Bottle_of_Smoke wrote: »

"The problem is that I am still left with a belly and some moobs. Im wondering is it normal for people to be left with belly, love handles & moobs. "

I'd get into doing weights and have a high protein low fat low carb diet. Its much easier to lose fat when you have a good deal of lean muscle. Talk to someone in the gym and they'll tell you exactly what to do

As for the veg - how about mashing up some cooked frozen peas and mix them into your curries?

Cool Mite try that alright . Well Ya Sur I suppose i could try putting peas into the curry. I just can't understand that Having a diet without veg will not work.

Also to the above poster, I didn't strave myself, its just I used to eat maybe 2 bags of crisps or more a day. Maybe a bar of chocolate. I used to eat chips most days. I would also treat myself to a chinese almost every week. As well as suasage rolls or wedges many days for breakfast. So when i stopped eating all that the weight fell off.

What do people think about HIT training?? TBH I would rather use cardio if possible to reduce my belly? is that possible? Its just that the "GYM" is not really a gym its just an room that has a few weights & treadmills used for local GAA teams.

Thanks for all your help:):)

celestial

heymayo wrote: »

hi guys so basically About 7 months ago I gave up all fast food, crisps, chocolate, biscuits . I went from 14 stone to now 11 stone.

My diet consisted mainly of a bowl of porridge or muesli for breakfast. I would snack on cream crackers or toast . Also snacked on Apples & some WW products such as WW yoghurts. For dinner I would usually eat mainly chicken fillets. Also made alot of chicken currys with boiled rice.

As you can see I Wouldn't eat vegetables at all. I have tried numerous times to eat veg but I will physically get sick by eating them, Its a bad childhood habit that I have tried getting over many times. I have even tried "Hypnosis" but no luck.

So I lost 3 stone without using veg (Apart frm odd veg soup) and am at a healthy weight of 11 stone for 5.7 male . The problem is that I am still left with a belly and some moobs. Im wondering is it normal for people to be left with belly, love handles & moobs.
Im pissed off after hard work of giving up junk I do not have the desired outcome of my big change. Im wondering should the belly & moobs go soon with more weight loss.

I also only joined a gym, Im wondering would running 30 mins on the threadmill 4 times a week be good cardio for losing weight??

Thanks guys

3 stone is a lot of weight to lose - if I lost 3 stone and still had a belly and moobs I would be well pissed off too!!

This is why weight training is a FANTASTIC way to change your shape and get fit. Most likely you dropped a fair bit of muscle along with the fat. This usually happens when you drop calories significantly without exercising and in particular, resistance training (i.e. lifting weights, or bodyweight exercises).

To give you an example, I am just an inch taller than yerself but two stone heavier. When I started out like yourself I had a pretty big gut - now it is all but gone and my weight actually went UP as I lost fat. I went from approx 85kg to 88kg while leaning out significantly, getting a flat belly and building quite a nice bit of muscle. What I'd recommend is that you add more protein to your diet, hit the weights or do some bodyweight exercises and do some cardio too.

Check out simplefit.org as a starting point.

floggg

heymayo wrote: »

Cool Mite try that alright . Well Ya Sur I suppose i could try putting peas into the curry. I just can't understand that Having a diet without veg will not work.

Also to the above poster, I didn't strave myself, its just I used to eat maybe 2 bags of crisps or more a day. Maybe a bar of chocolate. I used to eat chips most days. I would also treat myself to a chinese almost every week. As well as suasage rolls or wedges many days for breakfast. So when i stopped eating all that the weight fell off.

What do people think about HIT training?? TBH I would rather use cardio if possible to reduce my belly? is that possible? Its just that the "GYM" is not really a gym its just an room that has a few weights & treadmills used for local GAA teams.

Thanks for all your help:):)

In fairness, from the diet you posted, there is not a lot of food or nutrition in there. I imagine it is an incomplete example of your diet, but its not the best fro what you've posted. Cream crackers aren't a great snack and i may be wrong, but i have no faith in those WW stuff - it all fancy packaging for what something that is the same as other brands.

You should be eating more fruit, more veg (suck it up!), lean meat, fish, nuts etc. A balanced diet - 4 - 6 small meals a day.

cnocbui

The swedish explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson, proved one could live on a diet that was 100% meat and remain perfectly healthy, so I wouldn't obsess to much about the idea you need to eat vegetables to be healthy.

Before encountering europeans, the inuit (eskimo) peoples didn't eat any vegetables and were perfectly healthy.

cnocbui

heymayo wrote: »

The problem is that I am still left with a belly and some moobs. Im wondering is it normal for people to be left with belly, love handles & moobs.
Im pissed off after hard work of giving up junk I do not have the desired outcome of my big change. Im wondering should the belly & moobs go soon with more weight loss.?

If you want to lose fat, eat a lot more saturated fats. Real butter, cream full fat cheeses, full fat yoghurts etc. But don't eat anything with hydrogenated vegetable oils in them. Eating carbohydrates makes you fat, eating saturated fats makes you lean.

mloc

cnocbui wrote: »

If you want to lose fat, eat a lot more saturated fats. Real butter, cream full fat cheeses, full fat yoghurts etc. But don't eat anything with hydrogenated vegetable oils in them. Eating carbohydrates makes you fat, eating saturated fats makes you lean.

Controversial.

floggg

cnocbui wrote: »

The swedish explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson, proved one could live on a diet that was 100% meat and remain perfectly healthy, so I wouldn't obsess to much about the idea you need to eat vegetables to be healthy.

Before encountering europeans, the inuit (eskimo) peoples didn't eat any vegetables and were perfectly healthy.

Yes, but i imagine in the case of caucasians at least, while 100% meat is good, meat and veg is better.

Also, he ate seals and reindeer i am guessing, not the processed crap we call meat these days!

heymayo

cnocbui wrote: »

The swedish explorer Vilhjalmur Stefansson, proved one could live on a diet that was 100% meat and remain perfectly healthy, so I wouldn't obsess to much about the idea you need to eat vegetables to be healthy.

Before encountering europeans, the inuit (eskimo) peoples didn't eat any vegetables and were perfectly healthy.

I like the sound of that, Im thinking of trying Corn on the cob for abit if veg intake:) Also I will try to take peas with my chicken curry so i can swallow them easy.
Also Thinking of switching muesli for porridge with a bit of honey?
Also will be eating more fruit, I'm also starting sugar free jelly, Was thinking of making it with cottage cheese.. read that recipe somewhere on this fourm.
I got a bad of mixed nuts today, tesco ones, it says there almonds,cashews & cashews I think. I also got a packet of raisins . These foods are good enough for snacks I belive?
Natural Yoghurt is another addition to my diet instead of WW yoghurts.

What do ye think about these new snacks?
Also would cream crackers be that bad?? as a snack with a mug of tea.

Also I would be a big fan of toast. Would eating toast be ok if it was wholemeal bread??? Cheers

cnocbui

heymayo wrote: »

I like the sound of that, Im thinking of trying Corn on the cob for abit if veg intake:) Also I will try to take peas with my chicken curry so i can swallow them easy.
Also Thinking of switching muesli for porridge with a bit of honey?
Also will be eating more fruit, I'm also starting sugar free jelly, Was thinking of making it with cottage cheese.. read that recipe somewhere on this fourm.
I got a bad of mixed nuts today, tesco ones, it says there almonds,cashews & cashews I think. I also got a packet of raisins . These foods are good enough for snacks I belive?
Natural Yoghurt is another addition to my diet instead of WW yoghurts.

What do ye think about these new snacks?
Also would cream crackers be that bad?? as a snack with a mug of tea.

Also I would be a big fan of toast. Would eating toast be ok if it was wholemeal bread??? Cheers

All sounds fine to me. Nuts are really good and are much underrated IMO. Raisins are just like little lumps of sugar in terms of nutrition, so just eat them in moderation.

Have you thought of making a vegetarian curry?

Can tell you how if you are interested.

cnocbui

floggg wrote: »

Yes, but i imagine in the case of caucasians at least, while 100% meat is good, meat and veg is better.

Also, he ate seals and reindeer i am guessing, not the processed crap we call meat these days!

He learned from the Inuit and there was certainly a method to how it was done eating a variety of meats and different body parts of animals that contained necessary vitamins. The experiment he and another undertook, was in a hospital in New York under observation.

http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm
http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson2.htm

mloc wrote: »

Controversial.

Maybe so, but I have seen the results with my own eyes.

Bottle_of_Smoke

cnocbui wrote: »

Maybe so, but I have seen the results with my own eyes.

Yeah it works if you cut out all carbs/sugars and balance it with protein. Its bad advice to simply say eat saturated fats and you'll get lean

mloc

cnocbui wrote: »

He learned from the Inuit and there was certainly a method to how it was done eating a variety of meats and different body parts of animals that contained necessary vitamins. The experiment he and another undertook, was in a hospital in New York under observation.

http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson1.htm
http://www.biblelife.org/stefansson2.htm

I'm afraid an n=2 published on a religious website doesn't really mean much. A balanced diet is more sustainable and healthier in the long term.

jaggiebunnet

mloc wrote: »

I'm afraid an n=2 published on a religious website doesn't really mean much. A balanced diet is more sustainable and healthier in the long term.

Couldn't agree more. Although I remember watching about some shipwrecked sailor once adrift on the ocean who was near to dying even though he was getting his fill of fish, for some reason his body told him he had to eat the eyes as well as the flesh and it worked, he got strong again and was eventually rescued, as said above different parts of the body contain different things.

But then I would much rather eat veg that fish eyes !

OP definitely try the blending of veggies into your curry - also you mentioned veggie soup now and again try making your own and liquidise it - add some spices to mute the flavours a bit if it helps!

Transform

balanced diet my butt!!!

For the past 30 years the 'experts' have been banging on about a balanced diet and cutting back on saturated fats but what have we got now - the worst health in our history, CHD, cancer and diabetes in the rise year upon year and STILL people are saying 'ohhhh a balanced diet is what you need'.

Total rubbish - cut back on the carbs, eat GOOD saturated fats like some butter, cream, cheese, meat etc NOT chucking back burgers and putting cream and butter on everything!!

In this country we are getting fatter so please do not tell me its about balanced diet because i am on the front line every single day dealing with clients coming to me out of shape and unhealthy who SWEAR they have a balanced diet yet have feck all energy, look terrible and are at times border line depressed. This is an area i have also lined up to discuss on matt coopers (todayFM) show soon.

Jesus - i need a coffe right now (down off my soap box)

For the OP - its quite likely you will never look the way you want unless you hit the weights hard and eat more veg (try juicing - e.g. carrot, apple, celery, lemon)

floggg

Sorry, but OP how can you eat fruit no problem, but not vegetables?

There is a lot of similarilty between fruit and veg in terms of texture and taste. If anything, i would say that fruit has the more off putting texture and stronger tastes, so how does one make you gag and the other doesn't?

I'm sorry, but i refuse to believe this "i cant eat vegetables" stuff i've been hearing on here lately. I wouldn't buy it from a kid in a high chair, never mind a grown adult. I'm guessing you got away with it as a child, and probably had a very sweet tooth/junk in the diet as a child, and your taste buds are just used to eating crap all day.

End of the day though, it is nothing you can't get over if you really wanted to. Without sounding like a prick, suck it up and just get through it. Its not going to kill you. And as long as you keep making a big deal about it you will always have it in your head that you can't.

Transform

totally agree

heymayo

Transform wrote: »

For the OP - its quite likely you will never look the way you want unless you hit the weights hard and eat more veg (try juicing - e.g. carrot, apple, celery, lemon)

Thanks for the advice, TBH i Want to have veg but gag anytime their in my mouth. Unlike alot of people I actually do want to have veg, but without getting sick.
Also Fruit such as apples or grapes or oranges aren't as bad texture as veg. When you say Juicing, Do you mean blending a few veg or buying actual veg juice??
Because I'm not too pushed on building muscle should I Concentrate more on Cardio than weights? Also what about core work? Should I do any that? Planks? Push-ups? Cheers

MagicMarker

heymayo wrote: »

Thanks for the advice, TBH i Want to have veg but gag anytime their in my mouth. Unlike alot of people I actually do want to have veg, but without getting sick.
Also Fruit such as apples or grapes or oranges aren't as bad texture as veg. When you say Juicing, Do you mean blending a few veg or buying actual veg juice??
Because I'm not too pushed on building muscle should I Concentrate more on Cardio than weights? Also what about core work? Should I do any that? Planks? Push-ups? Cheers

If you don't pick up the weights then you're always going to be ''skinny fat''. It's not particuarly attractive and only gets worse when more weight is lost imo.

kevpants

Transform wrote: »

try juicing

Thought you were making a wild reevaluation of your principles for a second there Dom.

heymayo

MagicMarker wrote: »

If you don't pick up the weights then you're always going to be ''skinny fat''. It's not particuarly attractive and only gets worse when more weight is lost imo.

Ok Cool Well Later I will post up the equipment that is available to me & a planned routine. Im hoping people can advise me on the flaws of the routine. Thanks

Hrududu

If veg makes you gag but you can eat vegetable soup then why not blend vegetables for sauces. Like if you are making pasta then blend some veg into the tomato sauce.

corkcomp

no offence OP but I reckon most of your veg phobia is just a physcological thing .. We all have foods we dont like and IMO there is no point eating anything you REALLY hate ... But surely you cant hate all vegetables, considering they all have different tastes and textures? My advice is not to bother trying to disguise veg by blending and mixing with other foods, just suck it up and try different beg, stirfried, steamed, roasted, whatever .. ! If you find that you REALLY do hate all veg then you will just have to live without them!!

gaeilgegrinds

I'm having huge problems keeping weight on at the moment. I'm training 10/11 times a week, I'm just involved in lots of things. And eating lots but losing weight at a scary rate. I can't fit into any of my clothes and this is all really in two months. What should I eat? I eat lots of cereals, eggs, meats, fruit and veg.

MagicMarker

gaeilgegrinds wrote: »

I'm having huge problems keeping weight on at the moment. I'm training 10/11 times a week, I'm just involved in lots of things. And eating lots but losing weight at a scary rate. I can't fit into any of my clothes and this is all really in two months. What should I eat? I eat lots of cereals, eggs, meats, fruit and veg.

Eat more of everything. Nuts are calorific, full fat milk etc.

Personally, I don't understand how anyone can hate raw carrots.

floggg

gaeilgegrinds wrote: »

I'm having huge problems keeping weight on at the moment. I'm training 10/11 times a week, I'm just involved in lots of things. And eating lots but losing weight at a scary rate. I can't fit into any of my clothes and this is all really in two months. What should I eat? I eat lots of cereals, eggs, meats, fruit and veg.

Scroll down to the second entry on this blog.

Eat that and if you're still losing weight, seek medical attention!

d'Oracle

MagicMarker wrote: »

Personally, I don't understand how anyone can hate raw carrots.

+1

metamorphosis

Transform wrote: »

balanced diet my butt!!!

For the past 30 years the 'experts' have been banging on about a balanced diet and cutting back on saturated fats but what have we got now - the worst health in our history, CHD, cancer and diabetes in the rise year upon year and STILL people are saying 'ohhhh a balanced diet is what you need'.

Total rubbish - cut back on the carbs, eat GOOD saturated fats like some butter, cream, cheese, meat etc NOT chucking back burgers and putting cream and butter on everything!!

In this country we are getting fatter so please do not tell me its about balanced diet because i am on the front line every single day dealing with clients coming to me out of shape and unhealthy who SWEAR they have a balanced diet yet have feck all energy, look terrible and are at times border line depressed. This is an area i have also lined up to discuss on matt coopers (todayFM) show soon.

Jesus - i need a coffe right now (down off my soap box)

For the OP - its quite likely you will never look the way you want unless you hit the weights hard and eat more veg (try juicing - e.g. carrot, apple, celery, lemon)

Well said.
The 1977 and 82 american dietary guidelines was simplified as 'eat more loe fat foods'. Well that is what people did and still do. They think they are eating right but guess what - it is a message of eating right = get fatter. Why? people begin bingeing out on carbs. forget those 'evil' fats. lots of low fat cookies, low carb beer, pasta and more sugar is consumed. This is not balance

There is absolutley nothing wrong with fat at all at all. eat your butter, cocnut, nut butters, nuts, fish and cut back on carbs especially if you do not train intensly

mloc

ULstudent wrote: »

This is not balance

I agree with this. Maybe my idea of a balanced diet is different to the conventional. Low carb, high fat, high protein. Good variety of fish, meats and veg. Low sugar. Low alcohol.

cnocbui

mloc wrote: »

I'm afraid an n=2 published on a religious website doesn't really mean much. A balanced diet is more sustainable and healthier in the long term.

I think you are confusing the messenger with the message. The website has a religious name but the information contained in that very interesting article has no religious angle to it whatsoever. Judging a book by it's cover.

The Inuit have been eating a diet completely devoid of fruit or vegetables for thousands of years prior to their encounter with westerners.

Scholarly studies of numerous other hunter gatherer peoples have found their diets were mostly protein and saturated fat based.

What you term a balanced diet is not healthier in the long run. You are right about sustainability though, the worlds human population is way to large for everyone to eat proteins and fats in reasonable quantities.

Transform

kevpants wrote: »

Thought you were making a wild reevaluation of your principles for a second there Dom.

That got me smiling!!!

heymayo

Hi Guys So My routie That i was doing the past 2 weeks is:

5 Mins Cardio On Threadmill
Bench Press 8X4 (30KG)
Dips 4X4
Shoulder press 8X4
Bicep Curl 8X4 (16KG)
Dumbell Shoulder Shurgs 8X2 (Right Arm) 8X2 (Left Arm)
Hamstring Curl 8X4
Tricepts Curl 8X4 (Above Head With Dumbell
Pushups 10X3
10Mins Cardio Warmdown

So thats it, as i Said I want to work on Upper Body & In Particular get rid of belly & man boobs:P

Transform

heymayo wrote: »

Hi Guys So My routie That i was doing the past 2 weeks is:

5 Mins Cardio On Threadmill
Bench Press 8X4 (30KG)
Dips 4X4
Shoulder press 8X4
Bicep Curl 8X4 (16KG)
Dumbell Shoulder Shurgs 8X2 (Right Arm) 8X2 (Left Arm)
Hamstring Curl 8X4
Tricepts Curl 8X4 (Above Head With Dumbell
Pushups 10X3
10Mins Cardio Warmdown

So thats it, as i Said I want to work on Upper Body & In Particular get rid of belly & man boobs:P

my advice is go see a trainer close to you for a consultation - get some structure on your training and help with diet.

The program is not good and takes nothing into consideration i.e. your structural balance (what muscles are tight/weak), goals, fact that working legs is key to any program etc etc

i had a 56year old woman with me for first session yesterday (lunges, band pulls, press ups, reverse ab curls etc etc) and her program had better structure and she still did intervlas for fat loss.

celestial

heymayo wrote: »

Hi Guys So My routie That i was doing the past 2 weeks is:

5 Mins Cardio On Threadmill
Bench Press 8X4 (30KG)
Dips 4X4
Shoulder press 8X4
Bicep Curl 8X4 (16KG)
Dumbell Shoulder Shurgs 8X2 (Right Arm) 8X2 (Left Arm)
Hamstring Curl 8X4
Tricepts Curl 8X4 (Above Head With Dumbell
Pushups 10X3
10Mins Cardio Warmdown

So thats it, as i Said I want to work on Upper Body & In Particular get rid of belly & man boobs:P

So a hamstring curl for legs and nothing for back. Poor programme in general and especially for fat loss.

Deadlift/squat/lunges/dbell or barbell rows/chins need to feature somewhere here. Also you are better off doing cardio in a block, e.g. 30 mins at end of workout or on a non-weights day.

heymayo

celestial wrote: »

So a hamstring curl for legs and nothing for back. Poor programme in general and especially for fat loss.

Deadlift/squat/lunges/dbell or barbell rows/chins need to feature somewhere here. Also you are better off doing cardio in a block, e.g. 30 mins at end of workout or on a non-weights day.

Cheers for the feedback , Ya i Know that its poor. But I have limited equipment.
Im going to try to implement the Deadlift & Also Barbell Lift. I have access to the equipment necessary for that.
I was looking at squats & is it Bodyweight squats that are the best to do.

TBH I hate to be a pain but Im only a college student with no job so can't afford to pay a personal trainer to tell me what to do.
Would anyone here be able to tell what I should do, Like a routine ?

Also I was thinking I mite just do Cardio on non weight days , E.G. Weights On Mon,Wed & Fri. Cardio On Tues,Thurs & Sat?

Thanks for the help, This is all new to me!

celestial

heymayo wrote: »

Cheers for the feedback , Ya i Know that its poor. But I have limited equipment.
Im going to try to implement the Deadlift & Also Barbell Lift. I have access to the equipment necessary for that.
I was looking at squats & is it Bodyweight squats that are the best to do.

TBH I hate to be a pain but Im only a college student with no job so can't afford to pay a personal trainer to tell me what to do.
Would anyone here be able to tell what I should do, Like a routine ?

Also I was thinking I mite just do Cardio on non weight days , E.G. Weights On Mon,Wed & Fri. Cardio On Tues,Thurs & Sat?

Thanks for the help, This is all new to me!

Yup spot on - you have barbells so you can barbell row, deadlift and squat. Make sure you are doing these exercises properly - check out www.exrx.net for instructions and try to get to a good trainer in a gym (maybe a pay as you go gym if you can't afford membership?) to check your form on the exercises. In any case start with manageable weights and work your way up - start with weights you can lift comfortably for 3 sets by 8 reps and work from there.

You can defo do cardio like that - personally I prefer to combine cardio with weights, i.e. doing them on the same day, find I get a better workout out of it. That's just me though and there are times where I do cardio only (e.g. if I've had a heavy weights session that I want to recover from).

Would recommend you start a log in the Fitness Logs section - that way you can continuous pointers and advice as your workouts progress.

gaeilgegrinds

I'd be sick if I ate ALL that but I've upped what I'm eating alright and am hoping and praying my weight goes up.