Need help pricing a car

Jayob10

I have recently been left a car as part of a will. There is damn all mileage on the clock under 10k miles.

Now the car cost something like £65k (sterling) in the 1980s. I'm not sure exactly when.

Now here is the crux, I believe this car to be a pretty rare model. Its an Audi Quattro but not like alot of the other models I have seen.

It has amazing leather interior, electric seats etc......

I have the book that came with the car and it says that it is Audi 300 av Quattro. Now im not looking to sell this car i'm just looking for its value. I might hold onto it and sell it in a few years or so. I am going to get it serviced first but could someone tell me the ballpark price??

And dont worry its nothing dodgy, I was left the car by a late uncle whose only use for it was to drive it when he visited ireland. Hence there is hardly any mileage on it.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

macplaxton

Comes up as an Audi 200 Avant Quattro Turbo / 2226cc. 1st registered in the UK 10/07/1989 and it's last UK tax disc ran out 30th June 1991. Beige too. :cool:

I'd keep it hidden as it's due VRT a loooong time (still on UK plates). The revenue doesn't seem to think it's worth anything, but will still charge 36% on their minimum value of anything with four wheels (€2k), so €720 just to get it registered. And they're good at overvaluing things...

PaulK_CCI

The Audi 200 Quattro Turbo is a unique, underrated and almost 'forgotten' car which is getting more and more scarce. Friend of mine has one for yonks and is also swearing he's never going to sell it. That one is a bit worse for wear though, but mechanically top notch.

If it is genuine low mileage, that's even rarer, since almost all (without exception) have led busy lives as executive motorway bruisers!! But, in terms of value, it is very much a case of what someone is willing to pay for it since they are pretty much 'unloved', or should I say, 'not yet discovered' in Ireland and the UK. The fact that she is right hand drive and from 89 will work against a potential strong resale value, because you;re limited to Ireland and the UK. If it was a left hooker AND an early eighties example, it would mean it would be tax exempt in most other European countries, and then the value could even be around the 6-9k. At present, if the mileage really is genuine !!! (but this would have to be proven with MOT certs and history, because even a gap of 3 years could realistically have thrown another 100k on the clock withouth the car looking worse for wear!) the low mileage would be the biggest asset, and I would value the car around 3-6k realistically, but I would still doubt very much that you would get this sort of money in Ireland or the UK, as most will still consider it as an expensive car to run and maintain, with another 10 years to go before it's potentially tax exempt....
Also don't forget, a car that has done very little mileages isn;t always a good thing, as cars that sit around too much for too long, are generally a lot worse off than cars that have been used a lot. It's all down to how the car has been stored and kept for all those years which will determine what value to put onto the car.

Anan1

I had a 200 turbo once, great car. The avant looks even better, IMO, but one downside (for me) is that the quattro was never available with auto. As I recall, the choice was between the 200 quattro (awd, manual) and the 200 turbo (fwd, auto). What's the condition of the car? Any pics?

Dades

Always had a soft spot for the avants. Had a "beige/gold" Audi 80 myself for years!

Would like to see some pics too, but here's a random one to boost memories.

Jayob10

Dades wrote: »

Always had a soft spot for the avants. Had a "beige/gold" Audi 80 myself for years!

Would like to see some pics too, but here's a random one to boost memories.

Wow thats pretty uncanny, the car I have is the EXACT same as this one. Same colour and all!

Jayob10

Anan1 wrote: »

I had a 200 turbo once, great car. The avant looks even better, IMO, but one downside (for me) is that the quattro was never available with auto. As I recall, the choice was between the 200 quattro (awd, manual) and the 200 turbo (fwd, auto). What's the condition of the car? Any pics?

The car has been in storage for a while, but the low mileage is 100% genuine. We are going to get her serviced but its practically like a new car. Just needs a fresh service and run.

Its an awful pity as such a high performance car is going unused. I will most definately sort out some pics this weekend for you though.

aujopimur

Don't run or start this car as it's is more than likely still on its original timing belt

Jayob10

aujopimur wrote: »

Don't run or start this car as it's is more than likely still on its original timing belt

cheers for the info mate

kindalen

check out your costs befoe you spend a penny,get a price on all that will need to be done(timing belt?new brakes?seals in loads of places?...). you could be looking at a nice chunk of cash,and thats before you have to vrt,nct,tax and insure car. you will not in my opinion get any of this money back if you go to sell. if you love the car then go for it and enjoy! all the best.

trad

Have a look at the classic car section section of www.ebay.co.uk. There are a lot of sheds on it but a genuine classic seems to fetch good money. You could post it with a very high reserve and see how it goes. It will give you an idea of what it's worth across the pond.

If you look at the classic car section of carzone the prices here seem to be much higher but I don't know if they actually get the price, a bit like trying to sell a house at the moment.

PaulK_CCI

aujopimur wrote: »

Don't run or start this car as it's is more than likely still on its original timing belt

if the car has done sub 10k miles originally, I would very much doubt the timing belt is worn ;-)



but you will need to check out how long the car has been standing. If longer than 5 years, without moving, then oil change (both engine and tranny) and all fluid changes (incl coolant, brake fluid, clutch fluid) is required. Preferably all bearings should be checked, regreased. Any fuel left in the tank, should be siphoned out, and replaced with new fuel. Most likely engine seals and any seals along the fuel lines will have suffered. Water pumps generally do not like sitting dormant for a long period of time, and will usually give up very soon.

Also tyres tend to become warped if the car was left sitting in one spot for all those years.

Fishtits

Check the basics, oil, water etc.

Then start it.

If its been lying up for several years its probably best to get all the rubber bits (belts) changed to zero time it.

Drive it as a daily driver for a few weeks.

Oil seals etc will announce their failure at that stage.

barochoc

Some very good advice there Jayob10.

Unless you are a collector I would list the car on eBay.co.uk with a high reserve like £10K or something. List it for a week or so & see how much interest it gets.

You'll see how many people are watching the car & also you should get an idea of how much people are willing to pay.

It would be best to take a picture of all the documents that came with the car & any details or special features that might have been extras.

Maybe you could contact the original garage in UK & ask about the car. They might be able to verify many details which will help the sale.

If you are not a good mechanic & if you don't know a good mechanic then I would suggest selling the car as is. I would imagine a full overhaul with service, tyres, belts & any hoses would result in a large bill.

Make it clear in the ad that it has been in storage (Hopefully dry storage) & that you suggest the car being towed or trailered away. You'd be surprised how many people will travel to pick up a fresh low mile classic if they're confident that it's up to scratch & a sound investment.

Let us know if you list it. I'd love to see it & will forward on to all my mates who collect & drive classics.

Jayob10

barochoc wrote: »

Some very good advice there Jayob10.

Unless you are a collector I would list the car on eBay.co.uk with a high reserve like £10K or something. List it for a week or so & see how much interest it gets.

You'll see how many people are watching the car & also you should get an idea of how much people are willing to pay.

It would be best to take a picture of all the documents that came with the car & any details or special features that might have been extras.

Maybe you could contact the original garage in UK & ask about the car. They might be able to verify many details which will help the sale.

If you are not a good mechanic & if you don't know a good mechanic then I would suggest selling the car as is. I would imagine a full overhaul with service, tyres, belts & any hoses would result in a large bill.

Make it clear in the ad that it has been in storage (Hopefully dry storage) & that you suggest the car being towed or trailered away. You'd be surprised how many people will travel to pick up a fresh low mile classic if they're confident that it's up to scratch & a sound investment.

Let us know if you list it. I'd love to see it & will forward on to all my mates who collect & drive classics.

cheers for that Barochoc I will do. The wheels are in motion now. It has been in dry storage. Also I know a mechanic so will get him to have a good look. The only documents I have is the book that came with the car. i dont have mot documents. I have been told there is no more than 20k miles on the clock. This is 100% genuine as the owner has been out of the country for long periods and only appeared every couple of years. However, from some of the advice on here it appears it will be hard to verify such low mileage as legit unless I have MOT history (which I dont). Is there any other way to verify the clock? We wouldnt even know where to start with messing around with the mileage so its definately genuine mileage of less than 20k. If there is any other way to show the mileage history we would be happy to prove it genuine mileage.

PaulK_CCI

Jayob10 wrote: »

However, from some of the advice on here it appears it will be hard to verify such low mileage as legit unless I have MOT history (which I dont). Is there any other way to verify the clock? We wouldnt even know where to start with messing around with the mileage so its definately genuine mileage of less than 20k. If there is any other way to show the mileage history we would be happy to prove it genuine mileage.

Not really, but it's not easy to be able to show ALL records from the very beginning.
Usually determining the true condition/mileage of a car is a combination of a number of factors:
Amount of owners from new
Service record (preferably stamped up to the current mileage)
MOT records
Generally, it's difficult to have all this info on a car, but the car could still be genuine!
So most importantly, the true state of the vehicle can be judged by anyone that has seen/felt/driven loads of older classic cars and that has the mechanical knowledge to back it up.

Over the years I have seen many 'socalled' low mileage cars (and without the the sixth digit, mileage does not mean anything!!! ) and usually only a few have been indeed true mileage cars... The lowest I have had was a 16.000km from NEW 1976 VW Type 2 camper!!
It's the small details that make a car to be a true low mileage example. There are certain tell tale signs that are very difficult to 'cover up' if a car has done more miles than it's reading. Condition of rubbers, clutch/brake pedals, carpet, panel fit, paintwork, the way the driver's door shuts, the driver's seat. Wear on the switches of the dashboard, etc etc. Most importantly, any good mechanic will instantly hear when the engine fires up, wether the engine has done very little miles and a first drive (once a full service has beend done) will immediately give an impression of how tight the car feels, steering. suspension, etc....

quattro777

Any pics???

Fantastic cars. I would kill for a nice 200 quattro manual, this model or the previous type 43.

Jayob10

just an update lads,

I should have pics of the car in the very near future.

Jayob10

well its 9 months later and I finally am in possession of the car. Its in excellent nick. was shocked at how good it is, I think there was some work done on it a couple of years back.
the fan belt has gone and the battery needs charging and i think thats it.

pics will follow tomorrow

quattro777

Here's another.

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/1220741

Jayob10

heres a couple of pics, have loads more too

peasant

Jayob10 wrote: »

heres a couple of pics, have loads more too

If you ever ARE thinking about selling it, let me know ...seriously, do

Jayob10

peasant wrote: »

If you ever ARE thinking about selling it, let me know ...seriously, do

that may be on the cards but i wont let it go cheap though

may sell it

peasant

Volcano permitting I'll be out of the country till mid May ...but after that wouldn't mind having a looksee.

(you wouldn't be interested in a VW T3 Syncro by any chance? :D:D)

Jayob10

Nah if I was selling it would be a straight up cash deal

heres another few pics

Jayob10

and a few more

peasant

Thanks for those!

Once I'm fully back and if the car is still there by then, I'd certainly like to have a look at it and have a chat with you about it.

(you don't have to take the Syncro, I'm sure I'll find a willing victim for that in time:D)

Jayob10

have the car up for sale now, so if anyone knows any Audi Quattro enthusiasts send them my way

unkel

Jayob10 wrote: »

have the car up for sale now, so if anyone knows any Audi Quattro enthusiasts send them my way

Any link to your for sale ad?

Jayob10

http://www.carzone.ie/search/Audi/All-Road-Quattro/200/201019197972999/advert?channel=CARS

galwaytt

wow - fab car, I'd never sell it tbh...

But - it's done 56k miles in 9 months ??

And, nit-picking I know, but why not fill out a bit more info in the ad - at the very least some engine (size) and transmission (type) info.

Jayob10

galwaytt wrote: »

wow - fab car, I'd never sell it tbh...

But - it's done 56k miles in 9 months ??

And, nit-picking I know, but why not fill out a bit more info in the ad - at the very least some engine (size) and transmission (type) info.

I had the mileage all wrong to be honest with ya, it had 65k on it and have done the remainder since ive been in possession of it.

The reasons the ad is the lad from carzone who did it for me didnt fill in all the fields i asked him too.

peasant

I know I said I'd talk to you about this car once I'm back from holidays ...but, no offence ...at 12 k asking price I think I'll save myself the bother.

I think you got a bit carried away by the "quattro" bit.

You can ask 12 k (and more) for a real quattro (i.e. the coupe) ...but not for an Audi 200, not even the rare 20v version (which this one isn't)

Nice car ...but not 12 k nice (and on UK plates without an NCT it isn't even half as nice)

Jayob10

peasant wrote: »

I know I said I'd talk to you about this car once I'm back from holidays ...but, no offence ...at 12 k asking price I think I'll save myself the bother.

I think you got a bit carried away by the "quattro" bit.

You can ask 12 k (and more) for a real quattro (i.e. the coupe) ...but not for an Audi 200, not even the rare 20v version (which this one isn't)

Nice car ...but not 12 k nice (and on UK plates without an NCT it isn't even half as nice)

Steady on mate, ok I get you are not interested.

Its an Audi 200 Avant Quattro Turbo / 2226cc

quattro777

peasant wrote: »

I know I said I'd talk to you about this car once I'm back from holidays ...but, no offence ...at 12 k asking price I think I'll save myself the bother.

I think you got a bit carried away by the "quattro" bit.

You can ask 12 k (and more) for a real quattro (i.e. the coupe) ...but not for an Audi 200, not even the rare 20v version (which this one isn't)

Nice car ...but not 12 k nice (and on UK plates without an NCT it isn't even half as nice)

Here's one for nearly 10k less on Irish plates and in very good condition and it still hasn't sold. If it was a saloon it would be in sitting in my drive. They are an acquired taste, even the mega-rare 20v 200 is worth 6-7k.



http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/vintagecars/1220741

bijapos

Jayob, I agree with Peasant, its a lot of money but its your car so your choice what you want for it.

Regarding the price have you looked at other sites and what they are asking for similar cars, they are your "competitors" so you might have to price yourself accordingly.

But at least make things easier for yourself. In fairness the ad is crap, you can put in half a dozen or more photos on carzone, so put some in of the interior and from different angles, write about it, give a list of the spec, technical condition and the history of the car. The guy from carzone was obviously on an off day or had no interest in the car.

Put it on other ad sites both in Ireland and the UK. Theres loads of these, both general car sites, classic car sites and Audi related sites. Some cost money, others are free.

Get a VRT quote for here, it would be helpful.

And take it to the NCT, You'll find out yourself if anything is wrong with it. Looking for that money the car must be in A1 condition.

Jayob10

I will be adjusting the ad, I may adjust the price a little, but it is practically a new car.

I may even hold onto it, not particularly desperate to sell. Its fully serviced and in tip top technical shape, the interior isn't even worn.

The ad is really crap, i admit that.

But as I said, if all fails ill get it NCT'd and taxed. and park it in my garage and use for leisure

peasant

Jayob10 wrote: »

But as I said, if all fails ill get it NCT'd and taxed. and park it in my garage and use for leisure

That's what I would do if I was you. You got it for free, in the current market you'll never get anywhere near what it's worth (to you) and you'd probably hate yourself if you gave it away for half nothing.

As a matter of interest ...do you know if it is the 165 or the 200 bhp version?

Jayob10

peasant wrote: »

That's what I would do if I was you. You got it for free, in the current market you'll never get anywhere near what it's worth (to you) and you'd probably hate yourself if you gave it away for half nothing.

As a matter of interest ...do you know if it is the 165 or the 200 bhp version?

yeah thats very true

its the 200bhp version

kasper

keep it and enjoy it

dergside

Jayob10 wrote: »

I will be adjusting the ad, I may adjust the price a little, but it is practically a new car.

Like others, I'm a little surprised at the asking price. Just curious as to how you arrived at is as an appropriate figure for the car?

No doubt, it is a bit of a time warp car - the photo's would support that, but at 66k miles and 20+ yrs its probably stretching things to describe it as practically new.

adamshred

That's the kind of price I'd expect to pay for an E30 M3 in immaculate condition.

It's wishful thinking to hope that someone will pay that much for that car.

Jayob10

the price was not my idea i assure you, i am unable to access the ad to amend it, i have been a little screwed over by the person placing the ad for me.

when I can change it the ad will be changed accordingly.

To say it is as new is a stretch, but money has been spent by the previous owner (not so long ago) to do this car up. and 66k in mileage is not high for a car that is 20+ years old.

the price will be amended should i decide to sell.

Jayob10

car has been fully serviced, will pass an NCT. everything has been taken care of, it was in great nick as it was

original price was ludicrous i admit!

carchaeologist

Jayob10 wrote: »

car has been fully serviced, will pass an NCT. everything has been taken care of, it was in great nick as it was

original price was ludicrous i admit!

So whats the price now? Is it NCT tested?

Jayob10

carchaeologist wrote: »

So whats the price now? Is it NCT tested?

5k

already been offered 4k

i'm in two minds as to whether ill sell it to be honest.

unkel

Is it NCT tested? Any link to an ad? You're not maximising your sales potential in this thread here to put it diplomatically

Jayob10

unkel wrote: »

Is it NCT tested? Any link to an ad? You're not maximising your sales potential in this thread here to put it diplomatically

oh im confident i'll be able to sell it if I decide to do so. The mechanic who serviced it for me wants first dibs on it if I decide to sell.

Its not NCT'd but with the work just done on it, It will certainly pass the NCT.

carchaeologist

This is the hardest sell ever.

Jayob10

carchaeologist wrote: »

This is the hardest sell ever.

you guys seem fixated with the idea that I am selling it when I have clearly stated that my mind has not been made up yet.

alastair

Jayob10 wrote: »

you guys seem fixated with the idea that I am selling it when I have clearly stated that my mind has not been made up yet.

Maybe it's the advertisment claiming it's for sale is what's confusing people? :rolleyes: