Ireland 20's V New Zealand - Haka Challenge!!!

JOM34

Just came across this on youtube!!! Class! Better than Willie Anderson in 1989! Commentators full of sh1t!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjKHFvyn4bY

copacetic

stupid more like, there was no reason to go into their half. fronting up on the pitch would've been impressive. not that.

JOM34

Okay...they lost...but they did front up when it came to game time!!! Why is it ''stupid'' in your opinion? Are you a Kiwi?

toomevara

Oh lordy lord Lordy!!..not another Haka thread...look, the only way to face the Haka properly and without doing the eejit, is to line up, accept the challenge, and then do what France did yesterday....win the bloody game...!

The Haka's, imo, a pointless distraction (thats another debate), but, for good or bad, it's part of the fabric of the world game..expending energy getting hot and bothered about the haka usually marks the prelude to a drubbing. Let them do their little dance and then front up on the field..thats the only answer the Blacks respect..

The Aussie

toomevara wrote: »

The Haka's, imo, a pointless distraction

Could not agree more, done to death and just another pointless cliche, in pubs all over the world there is the obligatory drunken version of something that used to mean something...

gosplan

You can see how much it means to South Sea Islanders so there's just no reason to onvolve yourself in it ...

... unless you get involved like this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhyxfmoSxOA

thomond2006

He's the Eurosport Rugby Commentator.

hahahahaha go back to your dead end job mate.

Orizio

copacetic wrote: »

stupid more like, there was no reason to go into their half. fronting up on the pitch would've been impressive. not that.

They did front up on the pitch, they were excellent. Very few Ireland teams have played that well against the baby blacks, and what happened during the haka set the tone.

funky penguin

Its a challenege, as the kiwi commentator pointed out before it began. So Ireland can't respond to this challenege? They played brilliantly that day, I was very proud of them fronting the haka and how they played on the pitch.

But if it promotes scenes like the above youtube link, get rid of it.

bleg

"why ireland have to be so confrontational i don't know"

what a ****ing retard


**** off with ye're little dance lads.

gosplan

bleg wrote: »

**** off with ye're little dance lads.

Wonder how people would react to somebody disrespecting our oh so important second national anthem.

ALH-06

toomevara wrote: »

The Haka's, imo, a pointless distraction (thats another debate), but, for good or bad, it's part of the fabric of the world game..expending energy getting hot and bothered about the haka usually marks the prelude to a drubbing. Let them do their little dance and then front up on the field..thats the only answer the Blacks respect..

I agree - fronting up on the pitch is certainly the best option. Not always possible though against what is usually unquestionably the best underage side in the world.

And the Haka is a challenge in itself after all. Why should it be disgraceful for other teams to challenge it as they see fit? Instead, they're expected to watch in respectful silence as these guys taunt them with stuck out tongues etc. It's essentially a form of provocation.

I'll respect the Haka as long as the actions of other teams are likewise respected in a similar fashion. Fair play to the u20 lads I say!

big dan

gosplan wrote: »

Wonder how people would react to somebody disrespecting our oh so important second national anthem.

But we only have a ''second national anthem'' at home.
Away we only play Irelands call.

If they want to keep the haka then they should only be aloud do it at home.

They're so precious about it.

Micky Dolenz

gosplan wrote: »

Wonder how people would react to somebody disrespecting our oh so important second national anthem.

too very different things, ones a silly song and one is a war dance.

The Irish lads should have done riverdance as their reaction, now that would be funny.

chupacabra

bleg wrote: »

"why ireland have to be so confrontational i don't know"

what a ****ing retard

You think that was bad? During the game the same commentator said "they are not worthy" slightly under his breath. Im sure you can hear it on the on demand video on the irb site.

Wonder how people would react to somebody disrespecting our oh so important second national anthem.

Are you seriously comparing our "national anthem" to the haka? Even though Ireland's Call isn't our official anthem, it is still considered our national anthem in rugby and so don't even think about comparing it to the spectacle that is the haka. Because thats just what it is, a spectacle and im ok with that.

copacetic

Orizio wrote: »

They did front up on the pitch, they were excellent. Very few Ireland teams have played that well against the baby blacks, and what happened during the haka set the tone.

I think your definition of excellence is a lot different from mine.

funky penguin

Did you watch the match?

Last year they lost 65-10, this year they only lost 17-0. It was 3-0 at half time, and the New Zealands tries came off the back of an incorrect sin bining.

They should be very proud.

Stealdo

I'd love to see teams ignore the haka completely to be honest let them do it if they want but just go about your own warm up routine. It annoys me intensely that they spit the dummy at any unusual response these days. I remember watching some the all blacks discuss the '89 incident on ESPN classic or something a few months back and they talk about the Irish response in admiring terms. The sentiment was - it's a challenge we're laying down and they responded so you have to respect them for that but we still beat them.

The current crop of All Blacks particularly seem to have a serious issue about.

I'd advise anyone who's actually interested in this to go and read a little about Haka Kamate - not quite the intimidating war dance you might think it is.

bleg

gosplan wrote: »

Wonder how people would react to somebody disrespecting our oh so important second national anthem.

lets call a spade a spade. the haka (and all the pacific islands' routines) is a silly little dance that no matter what you do, causes immense offence.

front up to it, causes offence.

ignore it, causes offence.

stand shoulder to shoulder watching it, causes offence.

retarded silly little dance.

Chucky the tree

I'd much rather watch the haka then listen to Ireland's call.

razorblunt

The haka is a great spectacle, but almost every response to it seems to offend th Kiwis.

Campese offended them by continuing his warm up, Wales by standing they're ground, and the Lions by "officially accepting the challenge", SA singing their anthem again etc.

I think the major issue above is the Irish lads got too close on the far side and a few Kiwis couldnt finish it properly.

If its too stay then then all responses should be allowed (bar the ones that would break their fomation obviously)

Orizio

gosplan wrote: »

Wonder how people would react to somebody disrespecting our oh so important second national anthem.

I'd applaud them and their fantastic musical taste.

Orizio

copacetic wrote: »

I think your definition of excellence is a lot different from mine.

If you expected a decent Ireland team to beat a Baby Blacks team filled with S14 players then I can only hope you put the crackpipe away.

[Jackass]

New Zealand at underage level is ridiculos.

Their development happens a lot quicker than our players (genetics more than anytyhing!) and as said, these guys are playing regular Super14 playing against our academy players who may only have a handful of Magners games under their belt, if even.

As for the Haka, commentator is a moron. There is no reason why the NZ teams should be allowed lay down a challenge and try and intimidate a team and the other team do whatever they want to try and intimidate them back.

I'd wager that the NZ players would say that they like it when teams challenge them back and make a statement. "Why be so confrontational...." They're facing up to a fu*king war dance you clown!!!

From a psychological point of view, I always thought a response to the Haka would be to turn your back on it and have a team huddle or something, have your captain in the centre giving a motivational speech. Get in your own zone and just concentrate on what you're going to do and not anything else.

I think think it needs to be afforded any special treatment and teams should be a able to do whatever they want during the Haka, as long as there is no pushing or physical viloence, which was started by the New Zealand players in both of the above videos.

If that's the case and that's allowed and that's what happens if teams try to do their own response to the Haka then as much as I love it, it should be abolished, or people (like that commentator) should just shut the fu*k up and respect that the other teams can do what they want also.

themont85

The best response ever to the haka, period. It really was hilarious at the match seeing the blue, red and white t-shirts, there's no point in denying its existance. Everybody knows about it, imagine actually facing it? It would be a seminal moment for a player, coming up with a response is fair enough.

The Irish 20s did very well. Some quality players there, they seemed to be missing a couple from the 6 nations though. Players dropped and injuries changed the team slightly.

gosplan

bleg wrote: »

lets call a spade a spade. the haka (and all the pacific islands' routines) is a silly little dance that no matter what you do, causes immense offence.

front up to it, causes offence.

ignore it, causes offence.

stand shoulder to shoulder watching it, causes offence.

retarded silly little dance.

No.

Just watch it, count to 90 or so and it's over, no offence caused.

My point about the 2 anthems is that many teams have different traditions. they're entitled to them as long as it doesn't give an advantage - which in my opinion the Haka doesn't.

But it's a tradition respected by many, so there's really no need to challenge it in any way.

If you think it's a silly little dance or a silly little anthem, then fine but allow people to have their traditions.

Stealdo

gosplan wrote: »

then fine but allow people to have their traditions.

Don't think anyone's suggesting they shouldn't be allowed have their tradition, the problem is their absolute insistence that it takes precedence over all else as evidenced by the dressing room silliness in Wales, and their insistence that everyone else 'respects' it by doing exactly what they say you should do as evidenced again in Wales when they were mortally offended by the Welsh players refusal to walk away first. While I enjoy the haka, if you're going to insist on being allowed to perform it you have to accept that people will respond. The whinging from NZ when people do is frankly pathetic, and I'd prefer there was no haka than responses like the commentators at the 20s game and that of the players in the instances above.

An appropriate response would be Michael Jacksons Thriller

anonymous_joe

I've said before, and will again - the Haka is used by New Zealand to get ready themselves for a game. It gets them riled up and ready for a fight. That is it's raison d'etre - England don't do traditional Morris dancing before a fight, or more aptly, how would the world react if a naked bloke with his hair spiked up with quicklime, covered in woad and off his head on mead and funny plants was banging a sword off a shield before every Ireland or Scotland game?

Because the Haka's just a wardance designed to get the blood boiling. They know that, it's a wonderful advantage to have over everyone else, and they will fight like tigers to keep it.

Unless you have the option to challenge it back, then New Zealand have an unfair advantage (and don't even try and slither out of it by saying 'you shouldn't need motivation' etc, teams employ sports psychologists et al for a reason) over the rest of us. Why we idolise a frankly barbaric dance on the basis that 'it's foreign, therefore it must be cultural' is beyond me. I quite like the Haka, but it's undertones are violent and squalid. Why then, we should be asked to respect it is beyond me. Either let us challenge it or don't bother.

toomevara

Its all been hashed out comprehensively on here before folks;

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054956925

conf101

I quite like the Haka but if you're able to dish it out then you have to be able to take it! The Haka gives the All Blacks a psychological advantage over their opponents, you can't start whinging when it gets challenged!

corny

This all counts for nothing people. For as much as i agree that its an unfair advantage in 100 years time the New Zealanders will still be dancing before games and the only accepted response will still be stand there and take it.

bleg

corny wrote: »

This all counts for nothing people. For as much as i agree that its an unfair advantage in 100 years time the New Zealanders will still be dancing before games and the only accepted response will still be stand there and take it.

siege of ennis?

thebaz

back to game - which I didn't see - any up and coming ones to look out for - to add to Earls and Healy

Orizio

thebaz wrote: »

back to game - which I didn't see - any up and coming ones to look out for - to add to Earls and Healy

O'Hara and Spence.

funky penguin

Younger Kearney has a bright future as well.

The whole back row was excellent, frustrating NZ at the breakdown all over the pitch.

chupacabra

thebaz wrote: »

back to game - which I didn't see - any up and coming ones to look out for - to add to Earls and Healy

Madigan had a flyer of a game, looks an absolute dynamo at full back, can kick drop goals from the half way point too. Dave Kearney is also a solid player for his age, more pace than his older brother and better than Rob was when he was his age. Nevin Spence is a lively guy too, always looking for work and always seems to be in the right place at the right time AND he's barley turned 19 so he has alot of time to develop. In the halfbacks Ian McKinley looks composed on the ball and controls the play really well, kicking and defense need work tho and Connor Murray is a serious serious player for the future, he made a massive impact in this game and has such a snappy quick delivery of the ball he reminds me of Strings also made a beautiful reverse pass towards the end of the game that would put most to shame. O'Hara had a superb first half and Peter O'Mahony looks the part at No. 8, back row is seriously a position of depth in Ireland right now. As for the rest of the pack, Paddy McAllister looked good in the AIB cup final and played well in the six nations, a really big lad i can see him switching to Tighthead in the future, the Ruddock boys will hopefully go on to represent ireland at full international level now because both are big lads with alot of potential.

So all in all, things are looking good, and with that scoreline against Uruguay on saturday things are looking even better! Lets hope we can secure the 5th place spot now but it wont be easy. Wales is next and if we manage to beat them its either France or Samoa.

madds

Managed to watch the game over the course of today on the IRB website. 17-0 doesn't do justice to the Irish performance IMO. 17-7 would have been a fairer reflection. Some good performances from our guys which bode well for the future. Was particularly impressed with the quick pass from the scrum half whose name I've forgotten. Madigan and Spence looked very dangerous too. Some big guys in the pack which were not dwarfed by their NZ counterparts which would have been the case in years gone by.

Well worth a watch but turn the sound down for the first 20 mins as Starmer-Smith and Kiwi co-commentator spend the first quarter bigging up the AB's with hardly a word for Ireland.

Dumbledore

I think something should have been done to the NZ player that pushed one of ours at the end there. Under no circumstances is he allowed to aggressively touch one of our players before the match has started. Whoever it was should have pulled a cook Islands' and smacked your man!

chupacabra

The tries from the Uruguay match are up on the irb jwc website now. Nice switch for the second try, kearney is looking impressive.

nerophis

What exactly did the Irish lads do in response to the haka? no youtube access

Crash

Did a Willie Anderson on it, joined arms, and slowly marched as a line up until they were as close as they could get to the Kiwis.

thomond2006

Crash wrote: »

Did a Willie Anderson on it, joined arms, and slowly marched as a line up until they were as close as they could get to the Kiwis.

And then the two commentators shared an o****m of giving out.

nerophis

Commentators seem to take this high moral ground attitude to anything that rocks the boat. The Haka is a media spectacle, fodder for flash bulbs.
Irish lads respond to challenge- yawn- it's a Challenge! That's what your meant to do! From what I saw of the game they didn't let themselves down at all considering the opposition- who looked like a senior team. The big hooplah when O'Driscoll threw the piece of grass on the ground on the first test in 2005. The Haka is just a show for the media and I don't think anyone should take it seriously.

OT It's the same as the always shocked indignation at lads knocking lumps out of each other- like they've never ever seen it happen in their rugby career nor been involved themselves. It seems like if players do "A" then please follow stock phrases to conclude "that has no part in rugby", "terrible example to young rugby players" etc. vary to seem spontaneous.

Fair play to the Irish lads they have shown us that a golden generation is just part of a rich seem not an isolated and dwindling pocket