Geordy Murphy shows the AFL how its done

Diamondmaker

http://www.foxsports.com.au/rugby/video/0,,The%20Rugby%20Club_7534,00.html

chupacabra

"We’re sorry, but due to regional rights restrictions
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Think about this before you post links in an IRISH forum. :P

Diamondmaker

chupacabra wrote: »

"We’re sorry, but due to regional rights restrictions
our videos are only available to viewers located
in Australia."

Think about this before you post links in an IRISH forum. :P

Maybe you shou thnk about that before you click links to a foriegn website!


Thats a shame.

Geordy punts the ball from 180deg and then slightly greater, bare foot, on an AFL field. Only after having a bit of practice with a Swans, Canadian Union convert. He then bananas them all through the sticks, to amazing plaudits from the AFL pro.
He is extremely bashful and almost embarrassed by his skills !

Nice clip seems a dead nice guy too to add to other bits I have seen of him.

GiftofGab

Is this on youtube?

yogidc26

GiftofGab wrote: »

Is this on youtube?

Can't find it

Would like to see this clip

Stealdo

It's probably the same as all the other GM stuff - some people abroad say he's really good at something - but no one can find any actual evidence of it.

Stev_o

Stealdo wrote: »

It's probably the same as all the other GM stuff - some people abroad say he's really good at something - but no one can find any actual evidence of it.

It's eh......right there.

stackerman

He is a class act, and has been hard done by previous Ireland managers. One of those who have never been given the credit they are due :mad:

anonymous_joe

Stev_o wrote: »

It's eh......right there.

Doesn't seem to work for everyone. Doesn't for me anyway.

I've always rated Murphy highly (except for that period a couple of weeks ago when he ragged on Leinster). He's a great player and would probably excel at quite a few sports.

siochain

keving wrote: »

He is a class act, and has been hard done by previous Ireland managers. One of those who have never been given the credit they are due :mad:

fully agree.....

siochain

Stealdo wrote: »

It's probably the same as all the other GM stuff - some people abroad say he's really good at something - but no one can find any actual evidence of it.

Evidence, hmmm let me see.

One of the most consistent and talented players in the English Premiership for over ten years….. Very highly regarded through out the club and community in Leicester.


Played Tries Conv DG Pen YC RC Pts
226 +13 82 47 4 31 2 0 609


Definitely deservers better Irish stats,

Played Tries Conv DG Pen YC RC Pts
49 +14 18 1 1 1 0 0 98


British & Irish Lions (2 caps).


Typical Irish begrudgery if you ask me……………….

Um I think he was taking the piss lads. Dont be so precious.

Stealdo

siochain wrote: »

One of the most consistent and talented players in the English Premiership for over ten years….. Very highly regarded through out the club and community in Leicester.

...but not here

My point exactly

Deleted User wrote: »

Um I think he was taking the piss lads. Dont be so precious.

Just a bit.
Not my favourite player by a long way, but there's no one else who gets such an emotive response when criticised.

siochain

Stealdo wrote: »

...but not here

My point exactly

or just not by you?

Stealdo

siochain wrote: »

or just not by you?

Well, two of us, me and Ireland's most winningest coach of all time

Tomtom364

Stealdo wrote: »

Well, two of us, me and Ireland's most winningest coach of all time

Winningest?

Is that even a word

Stealdo

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Winningest?

Is that even a word

I doubt it

Cuchulain

Stealdo wrote: »

Well, two of us, me and Ireland's most winningest coach of all time

Thats because he plies his trade in England. If he was playing on this side of the Irish Sea then he would for sure start at 15. Although Kearney has the potential, Geordy is a much better footballer.

sslazio11

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Winningest?

Is that even a word

It's a very American phrase, they use it a lot when talking about coaches. It's not an actual word, but it is very anonying.

remus808

223 caps and 84 tries?? ****ing hell, that is truly unbelievable. He is only one year older than BOD for example, and that's twice as many.

Depp

sin e an aul peil gealach

themont85

Pfft Murphy got chances with Ireland, 60 odd caps ain't half bad when you consider Keith Gleeson just got over 25.

Murphy plays in a era where Ireland is gifted with full back talent(Demphsy, Kearney ect). For all his detractors, Girve the swerve had the Irish 15 jersey pretty well sown on his back for this decade, Murphy was in the squad pretty much all this time and barring a few occasions couldn't wrestle it of him. But Murphy got plenty of chances, he was unfortunate to miss the 03 WC with a serious injury, but even Demphsy had a serious injury.

anonymous_joe

themont85 wrote: »

Pfft Murphy got chances with Ireland, 60 odd caps ain't half bad when you consider Keith Gleeson just got over 25.

Murphy plays in a era where Ireland is gifted with full back talent(Demphsy, Kearney ect). For all his detractors, Girve the swerve had the Irish 15 jersey pretty well sown on his back for this decade, Murphy was in the squad pretty much all this time and barring a few occasions couldn't wrestle it of him. But Murphy got plenty of chances, he was unfortunate to miss the 03 WC with a serious injury, but even Demphsy had a serious injury.

I've always liked Dempsey, what bothers a lot of people is that Murphy as a mercurial talent was all too often left out.

One of the biggest problems towards the end of O'Sullivan's reign was a lack of creativity - we relied heavily on O'Driscoll to do something, often to create something from nothing - the addition of a Murphy to attack seperately and to draw defenders in his own right would've been a nice touch.

Also, there's a degree of 'the grass is always greener' - because Murphy was so obviously underrated by the coaches, we all start to slightly overrate him.

Teg Veece

I've no idea how to record a video stream so I just took this screenshot of the clip.

Basically Murphy kicks 3 banana kicks between the post from the angle shown in the pic. Barefoot too, I might add.

http://tinypic.com/r/fat1mq/5

Impressive enough but I have always thought that the standard of goal kicking in the AFL is awful.
When a sport starts to reward you for missing the goal then you know there's something wrong.

stackerman

One of the biggest problems towards the end of O'Sullivan's reign was a lack of creativity - we relied heavily on O'Driscoll to do something, often to create something from nothing - the addition of a Murphy to attack seperately and to draw defenders in his own right would've been a nice touch.


Dempsey was a safe option for a manager only interested in the short term, murphy had the potential to give the team that extra edge which would have helped. It's like when Darcy plays, teams cant just concentrate on BOD and so he gets that extra space/time (sometimes).
Sure he made a few mistakes and bad tackles, but so has Dempsey and no edge.

Stealdo

The Geordan Murphy myth is alive and well anyway, that's good to see.

60+ caps including about 50 starts and he's described as a guy who was 'never given a chance' by the coach who started him 50 times. It's easy to forget that during the whole 'greatest backline in the world' era c.2004/5 that EOS rarely got the chance to play as a unit; Murphy was the choice full back rather than Dempsey (Munster halves, Leinster 3/4s and Murph). The swerve only got the shirt back when Murphy failed to produce. People still point to two things when justifying their clamour for Murphy to be hailed as a great - his form in the EP (which admittedly has rarely dipped) and a game against Scotland about 7 years ago when he tore it up.

GM suffered a horrible injury just before the 2003 World Cup - and this may be a contributing reason, but I never saw him reproduce the form he showed before that on the International stage.

Nothingcompares

I don't watch the English premiership but every time I see GM on the ball I expect something cool to happen. I felt in the irish jersey he just wasn't able to pull the trigger.

siochain

Stealdo wrote: »

The Geordan Murphy myth is alive and well anyway, that's good to see.

60+ caps including about 50 starts and he's described as a guy who was 'never given a chance' by the coach who started him 50 times. It's easy to forget that during the whole 'greatest backline in the world' era c.2004/5 that EOS rarely got the chance to play as a unit; Murphy was the choice full back rather than Dempsey (Munster halves, Leinster 3/4s and Murph). The swerve only got the shirt back when Murphy failed to produce. People still point to two things when justifying their clamour for Murphy to be hailed as a great - his form in the EP (which admittedly has rarely dipped) and a game against Scotland about 7 years ago when he tore it up.

GM suffered a horrible injury just before the 2003 World Cup - and this may be a contributing reason, but I never saw him reproduce the form he showed before that on the International stage.

I wonder did the Irish coach \ game plan have anything to do with it. One thing is been selected in the team but was he allowed to play !!!

kevmy

Some people may underrate Murphy but everyone underrates Dempsey.

Very rarely had a bad game for Ireland, scored some important tries - a couple against England stand out - and was almost never caught out defensively.

Geordan was caught out defensively a couple of times in big games (against the French in Paris where we played both our best and worst halves of rugby under Eddie and in the first game in Croker when he missed the tackle on Ibanez). Now I have a lot of time for him but I think overall Murphy and Dempsey where equal but different. You had less chance of losing badly to a big team with Dempsey there but also had less chance of winning. It probably came down to the coaches conservative nature in the end.

anonymous_joe

keving wrote: »

Dempsey was a safe option for a manager only interested in the short term, murphy had the potential to give the team that extra edge which would have helped. It's like when Darcy plays, teams cant just concentrate on BOD and so he gets that extra space/time (sometimes).
Sure he made a few mistakes and bad tackles, but so has Dempsey and no edge.

Of course he was safe - he's fcuking unreal as a full back. So's Murphy though.

Stealdo wrote: »

The Geordan Murphy myth is alive and well anyway, that's good to see.

60+ caps including about 50 starts and he's described as a guy who was 'never given a chance' by the coach who started him 50 times. It's easy to forget that during the whole 'greatest backline in the world' era c.2004/5 that EOS rarely got the chance to play as a unit; Murphy was the choice full back rather than Dempsey (Munster halves, Leinster 3/4s and Murph). The swerve only got the shirt back when Murphy failed to produce. People still point to two things when justifying their clamour for Murphy to be hailed as a great - his form in the EP (which admittedly has rarely dipped) and a game against Scotland about 7 years ago when he tore it up.

GM suffered a horrible injury just before the 2003 World Cup - and this may be a contributing reason, but I never saw him reproduce the form he showed before that on the International stage.

It's not really a myth though, Geordan Murphy was playing for Leicester Tigers from the age of 19 - probably the best team in English club history, and amongst the biggest clubs in the world.

He was often started, but rarely used. He has a try rate for Leicester and Ireland of 1 in 3 roughly, which is signficantly better than both Dempsey and Kearney, two fantastic players.

The real problem is that towards the end Ireland's misfiring backline was being carried by O'Driscoll, when it had the potential to dominate almost any other backline.

That was EOS fault though.

kevmy wrote: »

Some people may underrate Murphy but everyone underrates Dempsey.

Very rarely had a bad game for Ireland, scored some important tries - a couple against England stand out - and was almost never caught out defensively.

Geordan was caught out defensively a couple of times in big games (against the French in Paris where we played both our best and worst halves of rugby under Eddie and in the first game in Croker when he missed the tackle on Ibanez). Now I have a lot of time for him but I think overall Murphy and Dempsey where equal but different. You had less chance of losing badly to a big team with Dempsey there but also had less chance of winning. It probably came down to the coaches conservative nature in the end.

I don't! I love Girve the swerve, his style of defending is languid but fcuking effective, he's a much cleverer attacker than people realise and was genuinely pacy in his day. Fastest Irish player over 100m at one stage iirc.

Nelson Muntz

Teg Veece wrote: »

When a sport starts to reward you for missing the goal then you know there's something wrong.

You clearly know a lot about it:rolleyes:. Banana kicks are not actually that difficult. I would think most Rugby fullbacks that do a lot of kicking would be able to pick it up quickly.

Stealdo

anonymous_joe wrote: »

It's not really a myth though, Geordan Murphy was playing for Leicester Tigers from the age of 19 - probably the best team in English club history, and amongst the biggest clubs in the world.

He was often started, but rarely used. He has a try rate for Leicester and Ireland of 1 in 3 roughly, which is signficantly better than both Dempsey and Kearney, two fantastic players.

The real problem is that towards the end Ireland's misfiring backline was being carried by O'Driscoll, when it had the potential to dominate almost any other backline.

That was EOS fault though.

I'm not really referring to him being a good player Joe - No one has a 12 year career in the GP without that.
The 'myth' to me is more the supposed greatness of the man, the (frankly bizarre) comparisons to George Best, the constant talk (not so much any more) of what he does in training (hence my original comment about this video), the revisionist view that he was never given a chance by EOS.

I can't think of another player who has such a strong following from a lot of media personalities (G. Thornley being the number 1 on this side of the water) who for me at least, has never really shone on the international stage. The reasons put forward for this are the myth, not the man.

anonymous_joe

Stealdo wrote: »

I'm not really referring to him being a good player Joe - No one has a 12 year career in the GP without that.
The 'myth' to me is more the supposed greatness of the man, the (frankly bizarre) comparisons to George Best, the constant talk (not so much any more) of what he does in training (hence my original comment about this video), the revisionist view that he was never given a chance by EOS.

I can't think of another player who has such a strong following from a lot of media personalities (G. Thornley being the number 1 on this side of the water) who for me at least, has never really shone on the international stage. The reasons put forward for this are the myth, not the man.

Well take the 07 World Cup - a backline featuring those players does not fail for no reason.

The players completely failed, and Murphy's exclusion was seen as a symptom of the problem - that Eddie O'Sullivan had gone insane and his paranoia at someone doing to him what he did to Gatland had left him doing everything for the team, causing the team to stop functioning.

The obviously mercurial talents of Murphy being left out were a particularly galling reminder of how badly the coaching system had failed.

And in fairness, when you see Geordan Murphy drop a goal from 50 yards, etc, you realise that he really is a class above most. Guys like Tommy Bowe, Denis Hickie, Girvan Dempsey, Rob Kearney et al are excellent players, who are technically superb at all the tasks necessary for their position, as are Murphy and O'Driscoll, it's just that the latter two do silly things too.

Flair is something that some people love and others hate. It's like Menotti and Maradona in 78 (I see your Best and raise a Maradona :pac:) - if Maradona had been a precociously world class centre back people would have been annoyed, but not as annoyed. We tend to overrate those who can do things that are extraordinary, rather than those who do ordinary things very well.

He is overrated, and he's also underrated. It's a wonderful paradox. :pac:

Stealdo

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Well take the 07 World Cup - a backline featuring those players does not fail for no reason.

The players completely failed, and Murphy's exclusion was seen as a symptom of the problem - that Eddie O'Sullivan had gone insane and his paranoia at someone doing to him what he did to Gatland had left him doing everything for the team, causing the team to stop functioning.

The obviously mercurial talents of Murphy being left out were a particularly galling reminder of how badly the coaching system had failed.

And in fairness, when you see Geordan Murphy drop a goal from 50 yards, etc, you realise that he really is a class above most. Guys like Tommy Bowe, Denis Hickie, Girvan Dempsey, Rob Kearney et al are excellent players, who are technically superb at all the tasks necessary for their position, as are Murphy and O'Driscoll, it's just that the latter two do silly things too.

Flair is something that some people love and others hate. It's like Menotti and Maradona in 78 (I see your Best and raise a Maradona :pac:) - if Maradona had been a precociously world class centre back people would have been annoyed, but not as annoyed. We tend to overrate those who can do things that are extraordinary, rather than those who do ordinary things very well.

He is overrated, and he's also underrated. It's a wonderful paradox. :pac:

I do get the point re: the '07 WC if you mean having to try something to mix it up a little, what I don't get is why after 7 years and 50 odd caps at the time people were/are still talking about the guy's potential in an international context as opposed to anything that he has actually done. (I know what I think the reason is, but a lot of folks don't like it) I agree 100% that something needed to be done to change things, but I don't think GM starting would have made a jot of difference. The staleness in everything that was being done, and the issues that needed to be addressed by Kidney after the Autumn Internationals were the real issues.

I'll admit to being old school in terms of what I expect from players, that each position has a function within a team, and that flair doesn't excuse ineptitude in performing your primary responsibilities. Having said that Rugby without guys like Clemont Poitrenaud would be a much more boring game.

gosplan

He's the most decorated Irish player ever.

Isn't that enough for the guy?

anonymous_joe

Stealdo wrote: »

I do get the point re: the '07 WC if you mean having to try something to mix it up a little, what I don't get is why after 7 years and 50 odd caps at the time people were/are still talking about the guy's potential in an international context as opposed to anything that he has actually done. (I know what I think the reason is, but a lot of folks don't like it) I agree 100% that something needed to be done to change things, but I don't think GM starting would have made a jot of difference. The staleness in everything that was being done, and the issues that needed to be addressed by Kidney after the Autumn Internationals were the real issues.

I'll admit to being old school in terms of what I expect from players, that each position has a function within a team, and that flair doesn't excuse ineptitude in performing your primary responsibilities. Having said that Rugby without guys like Clemont Poitrenaud would be a much more boring game.

What do you think the reason is?

I think Murphy has always benefited at Leicester in having a team that played to his strengths, which Ireland never did. That's definitely been a factor.

And I'd say that given a choice between a player who will give you two game-breaking moments a game, and make one mistake, or a player who'll give you neither, a lot of coaches would choose the second.

That's not necessarily a right decision, or a wrong one, merely a question of styles.

Stealdo

anonymous_joe wrote: »

What do you think the reason is?

I think Murphy has always benefited at Leicester in having a team that played to his strengths, which Ireland never did. That's definitely been a factor.

And I'd say that given a choice between a player who will give you two game-breaking moments a game, and make one mistake, or a player who'll give you neither, a lot of coaches would choose the second.

That's not necessarily a right decision, or a wrong one, merely a question of styles.

My honest view is that he's not as good as people think he is, that's the reason he's never really made it internationally. I don't think he's as much of a game breaker as a lot of people think he is. Totally subjectively of course. For some reason stating this view seems to draw an emotive response from a lot of people.

I agree on the coaching side - and I'd go further saying that the vast majority of pro coaches (in the NH) would pick the solid player over the mixed bag.

anonymous_joe

Stealdo wrote: »

My honest view is that he's not as good as people think he is, that's the reason he's never really made it internationally. I don't think he's as much of a game breaker as a lot of people think he is. Totally subjectively of course. For some reason stating this view seems to draw an emotive response from a lot of people.

Of course, very few of us are objective when it comes to players.

Look at the Ronan O'Gara debate on this forum - some say he's the greatest out-half ever and some say they'd rather have Marcus Horan at out-half. Neither side is right.

The same with Murphy, he's a quality full back, one of the best in the world, but Ireland have Luke Fitzgerald, Girvan Dempsey and Rob Kearney, all of whom are originally fullbacks, all of whom are good enough to play internationally. His omission irritates more because of who did it, not why.

I agree on the coaching side - and I'd go further saying that the vast majority of pro coaches (in the NH) would pick the solid player over the mixed bag.

Whereas a lot of SH coaches would do the opposite.

Eoin

Tomtom364 wrote: »

Winningest?

Is that even a word

It's a perfectly cromulent word.

tayto2009

siochain wrote: »

Evidence, hmmm let me see.

One of the most consistent and talented players in the English Premiership for over ten years….. Very highly regarded through out the club and community in Leicester.


Played Tries Conv DG Pen YC RC Pts
226 +13 82 47 4 31 2 0 609


Definitely deservers better Irish stats,

Played Tries Conv DG Pen YC RC Pts
49 +14 18 1 1 1 0 0 98


British & Irish Lions (2 caps).


Typical Irish begrudgery if you ask me……………….

rob kearney is flauless in the ireland shirt he deserves full back spot..murphy is not as solid his hole game is played around kick and chase garryowens kearney is a better all around player

Depp

One event that really shows how he doesnt transfer his form from the gp to international for me is when he missed the drop goal from the 22 against Argentina in 2007 and the screamer of a dg he hit for leicester from his own half.