Ordinary Level Irish!!

Saul-Good

Hi, as a completly inept student of Irish I'm just looking for that pass(I think it's 38%). Can anyone help me out with the questions I need to answer JUST to achieve the pass, ie. which questions have the most weight of marks and the minimum amount of work?
I'm thinking; try to do well in Paper 1 and scrape by in Paper 2, would that suffice?

Thanks!

Walsh

Learn a story off for paper 1 and do your comprehensions, just have a look over a few phrases for paper 2, stuff like I liked the emotions in the poem and that stuff and you should be sorted providing you did a decent oral. Tape is usually a pain in the hole!

Overature

learn phrase's for the essay, good ones will bring up your standerd and then you can just fill things in around them

CaoimH_in

Could some Higher level irish genius type, please scribble out a paragraph on Social Problems, like people getting drunk etc and drink driving and Drug taking? im doing ordinary aswell. I'd say i'll pass, but I just want to learn some stuff off, I would be ever so grateful thanks very very much.

Saul-Good

Thanks guys. What kind of phrases do you mean, ones for the weather the like? I'm planning on having a go at the Comhra and the Littir, since they seem the most simplistic. Just draw on my oral stuff for the Comhra and bullcrap my way through the Littir

aido179

im gonna do the litir...since it's the only thing im 100pc sure of. plus i have it learned since third year..it'll come easy.

CaoimH_in

Comhra is very hard to pick up marks in I'd advise the Giota tbh.. or hte sceal

Saul-Good

Actually would doing good enough in Paper 1, the oral and the aural be enough? The oral's 20% so's the aural and then Paper 1 is 30%, or am I way off?

Isaac702

Well you have under estimated the marks going for each of the parts.
Oral - 150 marks (25%)
Aural - 120 marks (20%)
Paper 1 - 220 marks (36.66%)
Paper 2 - 110 marks (18.33%)

Paper 2 is only 18% if you do well on the other sections you should do quiet well.

Claypigeon

Scéal and Litir here.

I've done it in such a way that I can write loads on a fire, an accident, being sick, getting a new job, going on holidays. So for example

"Write a letter to your parents telling them how you're getting on in your summer job in England."

"Hi Mum and Dad, having a great time here in England *blurb about work and holidays meshed together*.

You'll never guess what happened - a fire at work! *blurb about fire*

But I wasn't in when it happened, thanks be to God! I've been sick! *blurb about being sick* But don't be worrying! Talk to you again soon! Tell everyone I said hi!"

Etc.

Whatever I decide not to use, I'll use in the scéal as appropriate. They want your Irish not a creative story about working abroad and how you saved the universe.

Dman001

Is there any predictions on what poem and pros are coming up in OL Irish?

Rob!

The only real awful part is paper 2. it has practically all the learning and as somebody has stated above, is only 18%.

Paper one you can wing with absolute ease once you have a good few verbs and can assemble a sentence. And the tape seems fairly predictable.....although our mock one was a joke.

I suppose it depends how long you've been doing ordinary level. Like the lads in my class who dropped to pass in 5th yr find it simple, but for the fella's who've been there all along, its much more of an uphill struggle.

I suppose if you find it impossible there's always doing the whole 'cram random paragraphs and hope they come in useful' technique!

Claypigeon

Rob! wrote: »

The only real awful part is paper 2. it has practically all the learning and as somebody has stated above, is only 18%.

Paper one you can wing with absolute ease once you have a good few verbs and can assemble a sentence. And the tape seems fairly predictable.....although our mock one was a joke.

I suppose it depends how long you've been doing ordinary level. Like the lads in my class who dropped to pass in 5th yr find it simple, but for the fella's who've been there all along, its much more of an uphill struggle.

I suppose if you find it impossible there's always doing the whole 'cram random paragraphs and hope they come in useful' technique!

Wow I never thought of it like that - each written paper is only 18%? Suppose that's right since the listening and oral add up to 40%+

ak51535

yeah, jeez thats disheartning when i realise it is only 18%, ah sure :pac:

Frolick

Right, i've been in OL irish for a year and a half, i suck so hard at it! Don't even know the lay out of the papers. Any big hints or stuff i should learn?

Rob!

Claypigeon wrote: »

Wow I never thought of it like that - each written paper is only 18%? Suppose that's right since the listening and oral add up to 40%+

Well the oral and aural add to 45%. paper 1 is worth almost double paper 2 but i wouldn't worry cause the comprehensions are worth half of it.

Like i wouldn't advise anybody to do what i'm doing - but i havent done, and really don't intend to do any irish at all. i have to really focus upon maths because i need it. instead i'll just look over verbs and stuff tomorrow for an hour beforehand.

You need irish (in general) to go to college so the SEC really don't want ppl to fail the exam. I wouldnt worry. Once you have your cupla fhocail as gaeilge your sorted! Have confidence!:rolleyes:

Walsh

Is it true your story doesnt need to have anything to do with the title your given? You just lose 10 marks?

Rob!

Walsh wrote: »

Is it true your story doesnt need to have anything to do with the title your given? You just lose 10 marks?

So i've heard, but i've also heard that 38% is a pass. I really don't know what to believe. As far as i could see from the mocks, ppl got marks for anything they wrote in irish. One lad in my class wrote out random irish he saw on the leaving cert timetable for a paper 2 question and he got like a third of the marks for grammar, vocab and structure! (Im REALLY not advising you to do the same. I just found it amusing when he showed me!)

Frolick

Walsh wrote: »

Is it true your story doesnt need to have anything to do with the title your given? You just lose 10 marks?

\did that in my PRE and got 3/60, so i won't recommend doing that lol

Walsh

Shizer, I have my story learnt, I'm crap at Irish and thats what me teacher told me to do.

Ramey

I'm screweeedddd... Completely.. Does anyone, by any chance, have a sample answer they can throw at me for anything paper 2?

Claypigeon

Rob! wrote: »

Well the oral and aural add to 45%. paper 1 is worth almost double paper 2 but i wouldn't worry cause the comprehensions are worth half of it.

Like i wouldn't advise anybody to do what i'm doing - but i havent done, and really don't intend to do any irish at all. i have to really focus upon maths because i need it. instead i'll just look over verbs and stuff tomorrow for an hour beforehand.

You need irish (in general) to go to college so the SEC really don't want ppl to fail the exam. I wouldnt worry. Once you have your cupla fhocail as gaeilge your sorted! Have confidence!:rolleyes:

Naw I was more surprised by the percentage value of each paper being so low rather than so hard to attain, perfectly confident that I can get a B at OL

Walsh

Just realised Irish is at 1:30 tomoro and not 2:00 and ordinary level have a 40 minute break before the Tape, provided you don't leave early? What the hell?

Claypigeon

Walsh wrote: »

Just realised Irish is at 1:30 tomoro and not 2:00 and ordinary level have a 40 minute break before the Tape, provided you don't leave early? What the hell?

Niceeee.

GallowsGhost

Walsh wrote: »

Is it true your story doesnt need to have anything to do with the title your given? You just lose 10 marks?

That's very true, our teacher was at some conference when the chief examiner was talking about the Irish paper and he basically told them that as long as the student makes -even the vaguest connection to the title- they'll give you those marks.
Like if the essays about weather, you can write about a concert and as long as you mention the weather somewhere in there, you get those marks.

english4490

how many poems and stories are people doing for paper 2??? ordinary level!!

electriks

learn a sceal on timpiste or robail
A road accident and robbery can apply to ANY Story they give:)

Prowetod

english4490 wrote: »

how many poems and stories are people doing for paper 2??? ordinary level!!

No idea, thats tomorrow nights work!

GallowsGhost

eoccork wrote: »

No idea, thats tomorrow nights work!

Haha exactly

zonEEE

At this point i will probably fail pass Irish so im thinking of doing the foundation paper. Don't need Irish for my course or for my points.

Killaqueen!!!

I've done no Irish whatsoever up until this point but I need to pass it so is there any site with some phrases I can learn off for a story? Or if anyone's feeling generous to put up some themselves!

Btw, can't believe paper 2 is only 18%!!! sure thats the worst paper having to know all the poems and sh1rt -thats great! I'm thinking would it be worth not coming in for paper 2 so I can study history...

Saul-Good

Well show up for it, don't short change yourself, just don't study for it and bluff your way through as many question as you can then as soon as your done leave. You'll prob feel better for doin it that way in the long run:D

Futurism

Killaqueen!!! wrote: »

I've done no Irish whatsoever up until this point but I need to pass it so is there any site with some phrases I can learn off for a story? Or if anyone's feeling generous to put up some themselves!

Btw, can't believe paper 2 is only 18%!!! sure thats the worst paper having to know all the poems and sh1rt -thats great! I'm thinking would it be worth not coming in for paper 2 so I can study history...

Go in for it and just stay and answer a few questions. The poems are all printed so once you know a few related words you easily wing it.

I better learn some stuff now.

Des23

I JUST remembered that we have Irish tomorrow, I've spent the whole day immersed in the wonders of trig and probability that I totally forgot...oopsie!

Did this happen to anyone else??

I'm only in pass, but I'm no stellar student or anything...is our listening on tomorrow aswell?

Haven't touched the language in over a month... better get cracking!

mink_man

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yummy91

didn forget about it but i just didn study:rolleyes:
good luck;)

deex

okay, so we all know that ideally in irish comprehensions, you rephrase the answer into your own words.
BUT. i sometimes find that i can tell what sentence they want me to put in my own words, but i'm not entirely sure what the sentence means.
is it better to:
1) make an attempt at rephrasing the sentence into your own words, but being wrong (your sentence doesnt mean the correct answer)
2) just wriitng out the sentence exactly word for word as it is in the passage.

which would give you more marks? :S

thanks!

Saul-Good

I think writing the sentence out is the safer bet if you're that unsure but I think you can loose marks if you give too much extra information ie. anything that dosn't have to do with the question!

GallowsGhost

Saul-Good wrote: »

I think writing the sentence out is the safer bet if you're that unsure but I think you can loose marks if you give too much extra information ie. anything that dosn't have to do with the question!

Basically they want you to write out the exact sentence with the point of information on it. You get ten marks for this but if you give the sentence after it you lose something like five marks, and if you write out a big long spiel you'll get nothing.

Snowyy

Useful Tip**
I found out by asking my teacher that you can write the exact same thing for the letter as u do for the story, they just want good irish they dont actually care about the story saves time i think :)

Seloth

Hey Op I was completly like you but lucily I got one to ones this year along with my class in school.

Pretty much just learn off an essay about

*Holiday
*Cinema
*Fire
*Accident
*Mugging
*Concert*
*Ghaeltacht

Think thats it.

Conor108

I'd say the OP isn't too worried about Irish any more.........

NotExactly

Conor108 wrote: »

I'd say the OP isn't too worried about Irish any more.........

hahaha

goldenlady131

Dman001 wrote: »

Is there any predictions on what poem and pros are coming up in OL Irish?

if you look at the paper there's a pattern and our teacher told us that Jack and Faoiseamh are definite, but also gealt hasn't come up in a while. But it's hard to know really.

goldenlady131

Ramey wrote: »

I'm screweeedddd... Completely.. Does anyone, by any chance, have a sample answer they can throw at me for anything paper 2?

For poetry or Pros? I have a couple.

Conor108

goldenlady131 wrote: »

For poetry or Pros? I have a couple.

You'll be too late to help him. This thread is from 2009

Danger781

Paper two worth 18%, seriously??

Why would I even bother..

Cipango

Conor108 wrote: »

You'll be too late to help him. This thread is from 2009

But that comment was from last night!

JoeyBuddy

How much would you have to write for the Comhra?

I think I'll do the comhra and letter. Easiest marks.

bearcub

can anyone tell me what kind of length the pros section answers should be ?

because i really have no clue about those stories and there's no way a pass student should have to write out a page about the story from memory. madness.

atleast for poetry you get the poems given to you.

neiler987

sports cud come up for de essay 2moro hasnt come up since 06 nd the world cup this yr ?