California cuts nearly everything from budget.

The_Minister

http://cbs13.com/local/schwarzenegger.budget.plea.2.1027846.html

"Our wallet is empty. Our bank is closed. Our credit is dried up," he said in the rare midyear appearance, which lasted less than 15 minutes.

He has outlined a series of cuts that include an additional $5.2 billion reduction to public schools, laying off 5,000 state workers and further cutting the pay of another 200,000. He has proposed eliminating welfare for 500,000 families, terminating health coverage for nearly 1 million low-income children and closing 220 state parks.

"People come up to me all the time, pleading, 'Governor, please don't cut my program.' They tell me how the cuts will affect them and their loved ones," Schwarzenegger said. "I see the pain in their eyes and hear the fear in their voice. It's an awful feeling. But we have no choice."

Whats interesting is this:

Schwarzenegger said state tax revenue has dropped 27 percent from last year and has returned to 2003 levels.

Thats not as bad as us.

Will we eventually be forced to take similar action?

Which would people prefer?
Higher taxes or to cut services?

Captain-America

Too much terminating, not enough saving.

Riamfada

Remember I said I'd cut you last.


I lied.

Biggins

I suspect he's partly trying scare tactics after they rejected a number of proposals put to them.

In the May special election, voters rejected all five budget-related measures placed on the ballot by Schwarzenegger and legislative leaders. That included three the governor said would have raised about $6 billion. Another measure would have extended the tax hikes for one to two years.

In trying to force their hand to give something to help the current situation, he's using the threat over their heads of literally closing down the state!

Captain-America

He invested it all in Terminator: Salvation.

O'TOOLE79

Californias unemployment rate is 11.2% atm

gerry28

Will we eventually be forced to take similar action?

California is ultra capitalist so they could just about get away with them sort of cuts. There is a more socialist dimension to most EU countries. They prob couldn't implement such drastic cuts here.

The IMF would do it though given half a chance.

Savman

They'll be back.

Captain-America

"No, I am not 'shítting' you."

Spore

<Generic thanks-whoring puntastic post>

TPD

Governator wrote:

I see the pain in their eyes and hear the fear in their voice.

Thats likely what he sees and hears every day, not just in relation to cuts.

Biggins

TPD wrote: »

Thats likely what he sees and hears every day, not just in relation to cuts.

...and thats just his staff!

Rovi

Mongol General: Governor Schwarzenegger! What is best in life?
Governor Schwarzenegger: To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women.

thelordofcheese

The_Minister wrote: »

http://cbs13.com/local/schwarzenegger.budget.plea.2.1027846.html

Will we eventually be forced to take similar action?

Which would people prefer?
Higher taxes or to cut services?

California is stupid-fucked, mostly because they're as close to a direct democracy as you can get.

Whats interesting is this:

Schwarzenegger said state tax revenue has dropped 27 percent from last year and has returned to 2003 levels.

CA's tax revenue is based largely on investment income, in part because of Prop 13 [which was passed aaages ago and keeps property tax hella low]. So, as you can imagine, in a recession, everyone's investments start losing money, and the state can't collect any revenue at all.

Basically the people in California have fucked themselves again and again due to being short sighted and greedy.
Whine about our politicians all you want (in b4 after biggins) but at least they have the power to make unpopular decisions without having to beg the permission of the population.

Biggins

thelordofcheese - :pac:

ronano

pft we never will

we'll just go back to properly flocking out of the country by our 10,000's and ah sure ain't we great over there in the states,built america so we did yada yada bs crap

biko

USA - just stop spending money on the military for one year.

The_Minister

Magnus wrote: »

USA - just stop spending money on the military for one year.

There are no numbers on that graph

phasers

Aww and they look so happy in that corny ad they show over here. Arnie even asked me "When can you start?"

irish_bob

how much is the dole in california

Overheal

Magnus wrote: »

USA - just stop spending money on the military for one year.

This isnt about the USA this is about California (and besides, we've just got started on our new class of Aircraft Carriers to replace our 1960s Nimitz... I wanna see it)

California as I understand was grossly overspending anyway. What was one statistic I heard... the school budget gave 2 copies of every textbook per child, so they wouldnt have to carry them back and forth from school? That kind of **** is stupid and needless.

phasers

irish_bob wrote: »

how much is the dole in california

There is no Dole, the Governator finds you and kills you

Soby

phasers wrote: »

There is no Dole, the Governator finds you and kills terminates you

fyp

Manic Moran

Magnus wrote: »

USA - just stop spending money on the military for one year.

California spends $143 million on its military budget with a population of 36million.

For comparison.

Ireland's military budget is about $1.3bn, for a population of 4million. Whatever California's budget woes, spending on the California Military Department (which also includes various emergency funds like disaster management) isn't one of them.

People keep forgetting that the States are very independent political entities. The US Army is paid for by the Federal Government. State policing, social services, education etc, those are paid for by the State. California's budget issues are entirely California's problem.

how much is the dole in california

It varies depending on how much you earned as an average salary over the times you were working in the past 18 months. I seem to recall it maxes out at $1000 a month if your average salary was on the order of $50k a year.

NTM

cherryghost

california gives change to all the homeless!


i think theres their problem

Spudmonkey

cherryghost wrote: »

california gives change to all the homeless

Change.... change.... Spare some change??

OctavarIan

Manic Moran wrote: »

It varies depending on how much you earned as an average salary over the times you were working in the past 18 months. I seem to recall it maxes out at $1000 a month if your average salary was on the order of $50k a year.

That's highly exploitable. I figure you have to have worked for those entire 18 months?

shenanigans1982

Overheal wrote: »

California as I understand was grossly overspending anyway. What was one statistic I heard... the school budget gave 2 copies of every textbook per child, so they wouldnt have to carry them back and forth from school? That kind of **** is stupid and needless.

Tell that to three blokes I went to school with who can't stand upright because they had to carry a school bag that weighed more than them to and from school every day.

Manic Moran

My tailor informed me that my right shoulder is lower than my left shoulder. I attribute this to the weight of my schoolbag as I walked to school. (Uphill, both ways, of course)

I figure you have to have worked for those entire 18 months?

Not all 18 months (As it would otherwise penalise workers who can only get short-term gigs like some contractors), but there are some minima.

NTM

Captain-America

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Tell that to three blokes I went to school with who can't stand upright because they had to carry a school bag that weighed more than them to and from school every day.

They should've paid the fiver for a locker.

AlmightyCushion

Captain-America wrote: »

They should've paid the fiver for a locker.

And buy a forklift for whenever they have to bring the books home for homework as well I suppose.

stepbar

ronano wrote: »

pft we never will

we'll just go back to properly flocking out of the country by our 10,000's and ah sure ain't we great over there in the states,built america so we did yada yada bs crap

Immigrate to where?

Red Hand

shenanigans1982 wrote: »

Tell that to three blokes I went to school with who can't stand upright because they had to carry a school bag that weighed more than them to and from school every day.

Manic Moran wrote: »

My tailor informed me that my right shoulder is lower than my left shoulder. I attribute this to the weight of my schoolbag as I walked to school. (Uphill, both ways, of course)
NTM

Should have worn the bag properly and not over one shoulder 'de cool way'. It's what yer Mum told ye, yet ye ignored her.

Oh and walking uphill both ways, from home and back to home? You lived on the Moebius Strip planet Omicron 7, too?:pac:

Captain-America

I live on Omicron Persei 8.

AlmightyCushion

Captain-America wrote: »

I live on Omicron Persei 8.

You know what they say men are from Omicron Persei 7 and women are from Omicron Persei 8.

Red Hand

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

You know what they say men are from Omicron Persei 7 and women are from Omicron Persei 8.

Edit: Whoops, read that line incorrectly!

Overheal

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

You know what they say men are from Omicron Persei 7 and women are from Omicron Persei 9.

FYP actually.

enniscorthy

sarah conna hahahahaha:)

Lockstep

Manic Moran wrote: »

People keep forgetting that the States are very independent political entities. The US Army is paid for by the Federal Government. State policing, social services, education etc, those are paid for by the State. California's budget issues are entirely California's problem.

Do the National Guard get their funding from the state or the federal government?

Manic Moran

Do the National Guard get their funding from the state or the federal government?

The vast majority is federally funded, via the National Guard Bureau, which then divvies out the cash to the States. NGB allocates money for the equipment and spare parts, the fuel/consumables, and the expenses of the mandatory training (Basic, OCS, skill schools etc, plus the usual two-three weeks a year and one weekend a month), plus a certain overage. Each State also has a full-time headquarters organisation operated by Federal Techs or AGRs (Active Guard/Reserve), budgeted for by NGB or DOD, though States are able to supplement the cash and add additional manpower should they have a desire to do so.

Additional training beyond the federal mandate, such as sending a tanker to airborne school as a reward for excellence is paid for by the State. State activations, such as for disaster relief or riot control, is also paid for by the State.

The State Militias are purely paid for and equipped by the States as they are not part of the Federal military structure.

NTM