Bugera amps

goldtop57

Has anyone tried one of these yet

http://www.bugera-amps.com/EN/products/V5.aspx

or the v 22

http://www.bugera-amps.com/EN/products/V22.aspx

v5 seems fairly diecent with reverb & attennuator for €150

or are they just junk?

Dord

I wouldn't touch one with a 10 foot barge pole, they're made by Behringer.

Paolo_M

Please don't, for the sake of the future of music in general.
These are cheap, poor quality knock-offs of existing amps.
There are a number of blatant lies about the product on the web page also.

I can picture the product development meeting now
Engineer: What about improving the noise levels?
Management: Our demographics show the current level are "acceptable"
E: What about componant quality?
M: Our demographic shows these amps will mostly be used at low volume in peoples bedrooms, so this is not an issue.
E: What about our integrity as a company, should'nt we be coming up with our own designs?
M: Excuse me, what? Collect your P45 (or Chinese equivalent) on the way out.
E: I've a problem with calling this thing 20 Watts, we only measured about 16?
M: You never learn do you? Marketing, bump the adds up to 22 Watts.
etc.etc.

rcaz

Behringer clone stuff, make it very cheaply, and like Paolo_M said, probably don't have a lot in the line of integrity. Which isn't necessarily a bad thing imo, for what they do. Not great, but it'll do a job.

€150 might be a bit too much of a risk, but I'd happily try any of their €30 pedals, some of them are meant to be really good, too.

Don't let the brand name put you off - we all know "Marshall" doesn't always stand for quality, so maybe "Behringer" doesn't always stand for rubbish.

Dord

El Pr0n wrote: »

so maybe "Behringer" doesn't always stand for rubbish.

I find that hard to believe.

goldtop57

Thanks guys

I think ill stick with my original plan :- blackstar ht5 head ,unless you have any other alternatives .

Johnny Storm

Paolo_M wrote: »

Engineer: What about improving the noise levels?
Management: Our demographics show the current level are "acceptable"
E: What about componant quality?
M: Our demographic shows these amps will mostly be used at low volume in peoples bedrooms, so this is not an issue.
E: What about our integrity as a company, should'nt we be coming up with our own designs?
M: Excuse me, what? Collect your P45 (or Chinese equivalent) on the way out.
E: I've a problem with calling this thing 20 Watts, we only measured about 16?
M: You never learn do you? Marketing, bump the adds up to 22 Watts.
etc.etc.

I LOL'd

rcaz

Dord wrote: »

I find that hard to believe.

But what are you basing that on? I mean, it's easy to see where you'd be coming from, assuming that the cheap plastic german copies are rubbish, but look at something like the Vintage Delay VD-400 or the Vintage Time Machine (Clones of the Boss DM-3 and EH Deluxe Memory Man respectively). Direct clones of great pedals. Not a whole lot is lost in translation. They have a tremolo pedal too which is a direct clone of the Boss TR-2, except they (reportedly) fixed the volume drop. That could even be an improvement. Sure, they skimp on some things (plastic cases, some sort of non-mechanical switching system), but for €28, can you really complain? The tonez are still there.

spoonbadger

El Pr0n wrote: »

But what are you basing that on? I mean, it's easy to see where you'd be coming from, assuming that the cheap plastic german copies are rubbish, but look at something like the Vintage Delay VD-400 or the Vintage Time Machine (Clones of the Boss DM-3 and EH Deluxe Memory Man respectively). Direct clones of great pedals. Not a whole lot is lost in translation. They have a tremolo pedal too which is a direct clone of the Boss TR-2, except they (reportedly) fixed the volume drop. That could even be an improvement. Sure, they skimp on some things (plastic cases, some sort of non-mechanical switching system), but for €28, can you really complain? The tonez are still there.

We dont like boss pedals either :P.




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Paolo_M

Surely you cant sing and play songs about freedom, raging against the machine, socialist idealism etc.etc. using this souless, money grabing, capitalist sh*te!!

rcaz

Paolo_M wrote: »

Surely you cant sing and play songs about freedom, raging against the machine, socialist idealism etc.etc. using this souless, money grabing, capitalist sh*te!!

Because if we give more money to a different multinational corporation, we're any less hypocritical?

Or, we could only buy boutique gear, and spend hundreds and hundreds of quid on OMG hand-wired (do you think the electrons care?) vintage toob amplifiers and slightly re-hashed Tubescreamer/Fuzz Face/Big Muff clones and end up supporting people like Alex Dumble

I don't think guitar gear is the domain for making political statements

(and if you want to rage against the machine, just buy your amp of choice from your favourite originality-crushing evil empire, and cover up the label )

Paolo_M

El Pr0n wrote: »

Because if we give more money to a different multinational corporation, we're any less hypocritical?

Or, we could only buy boutique gear, and spend hundreds and hundreds of quid on OMG hand-wired (do you think the electrons care?) vintage toob amplifiers and slightly re-hashed Tubescreamer/Fuzz Face/Big Muff clones and end up supporting people like Alex Dumble

I don't think guitar gear is the domain for making political statements

(and if you want to rage against the machine, just buy your amp of choice from your favourite originality-crushing evil empire, and cover up the label )

Very true!!
I suppose if were to stick to our guns we'd have to go on stage bollock naked playing a guitar made from a tree that fell of it's own accord, strung from the gut of an animal whose life was celebrated and fed the community for a month.
Damn capitalists, they make all the good stuff!!

rcaz

We could do that, yes... Or I was thinking, if we were to make statements, we could just buy second-hand gear so the company doesn't get any more money... You know, whatever you're into

Patricide

Really didnt like these amps, they had a tenancy to sound flat....recorded one too. Dunno how it managed to happen but no matter what it always seemed to sound dull as hell in the mix....Id save up for a bit longer and get something decent second hand.

goldtop57

Just went to order my new blackstar & dang they just went up in price

might get a blackheart 5 watt instead

A7X

El Pr0n wrote: »

Because if we give more money to a different multinational corporation, we're any less hypocritical?

Or, we could only buy boutique gear, and spend hundreds and hundreds of quid on OMG hand-wired (do you think the electrons care?) vintage toob amplifiers and slightly re-hashed Tubescreamer/Fuzz Face/Big Muff clones and end up supporting people like Alex Dumble

I don't think guitar gear is the domain for making political statements

(and if you want to rage against the machine, just buy your amp of choice from your favourite originality-crushing evil empire, and cover up the label )

One thing I could never understand was the price of boutique pedals. They are very easy to do urself and cost no where near the price they demand for them.

rcaz

A7X wrote: »

One thing I could never understand was the price of boutique pedals. They are very easy to do urself and cost no where near the price they demand for them.

Exactly! I don't get why some builders even think it's acceptable to charge any money at all on something that they didn't necessarily design themself, like any of those distortion pedals that claim to "perfectly recreate" your Green Sovtek Muff/Vintage TS808/original Fuzz Face/whatever.

What if I record a cover version of Paranoid Android, and claim to "perfectly recreate" the third guitar solo with a real vintage Mutron Mutator? Nobody would care So why bother about real vintage Mullard transistors or whatever?

A7X

El Pr0n wrote: »

Exactly! I don't get why some builders even think it's acceptable to charge any money at all on something that they didn't necessarily design themself, like any of those distortion pedals that claim to "perfectly recreate" your Green Sovtek Muff/Vintage TS808/original Fuzz Face/whatever.

What if I record a cover version of Paranoid Android, and claim to "perfectly recreate" the third guitar solo with a real vintage Mutron Mutator? Nobody would care So why bother about real vintage Mullard transistors or whatever?

Exactly! Your basically just paying for the hand wiring and what some else considered to sound ideal. If you really want to get the tone you want or whatever, put the time in yourself and build it yourself if needs be, but dont spend like 200 euro on a feckin boutique pedal.

Fatgoogle

I would never play one, first there made by behringer. They only ever post there peak wattage values. There very shoddily and cheapily made, and have been known to break down alot. There speakers for one are quite often cant handle whats being put through them, and just blow out loads. They have copied other brands designs and not even attempted to hide the fact that they have, especaially there bass amps(ampeg anyone) I hear they were once a respectable company but know i havent gone near them, anyway they dont sound great.

goldtop57

Thanks for all your input & views

just ordered a blackstar ht5 head so happy days

Good deals on them in turnkey, check bargain alerts!

rcaz

Fatgoogle wrote: »

They have copied other brands designs and not even attempted to hide the fact that they have

Power to the people!

Why would we give Electro Harmonix $300 when we can give Behringer €60 for essentially the same thing?

Grolschevik

...but I was flicking through an old issue of Guitar & Bass, and I noticed that one of their valve 2x12"s got a surprisingly good review (as in very good for the price...)