Dubs Super Sunday 7/6/2009

blackbelt

Well I just my tickets today and I can finally say that the buildup is starting...not on here though so I thought I'd get the proverbial ball rolling.

I'm hoping that Croker will be reasonably full at 2pm for the hurlers.They definitely deserve the crowd to get behind them and have their support.Even if the hurlers were still in the doldrums I'd want there to be a good crowd at this.

I think the firepower of Rushe,McCrabbe and Callaghan will be too much for Antrim and they are missing 2 or 3 key players.I'm expecting bigger things from our hurlers this year and a Leinster final is a very real possibility.I think we have enough to beat Galway or Wexford but a lot depends on the forwards and their form and if they can make the most of their opportunities.I have the feeling that if Dublins forwards will struggle,we will still win with a low scoreline.

As for the football,well I think Dublin have the better players all round but Gilroy's tactics of changing the team recently has left a certain doubt in my mind on how Dublin will perform.There are between 6 and 9 positions that I consdier as dead certs at this stage.Bastic and Hubbard in the full back line is pretty obvious.They have played there consistently since January and any change there would be a huge huge shock.

Midfield and the half forwards is an area where little is known.What midfield combination will we get?Will it be Whelan and Ryan,Whelan and McConnell,Magee and McConnell,Magee and Whelan?Or will Fennell even feature?

Meanwhile in the half forwards,you have Jayo,Andrews,Flynn,Connolly,Pat Burke.

My starting 15 would be as such

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Cluxton

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Hubbard

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Bastic

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Henry

Cahill

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Griffin

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Brennan

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Magee

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Whelan

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Quinn

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Sherlock

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Connolly


Keaney

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Alan Brogan

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Bernard Brogan




Subs

Andrews
Cullen
Shane Ryan
Whelan
Davoran

Mullet

"Dubs super sunday" your watching to much skysports. Ok gutted i wont be in my usual position in block b on the hill but i will be on my way home from another sporting event. The hurlers well its time to deliver as pete finnerty said lots of talent but no self belief. If we can get over antrim we can start to believe.

As for the footballers i am a bit disillustioned by them. The media "our dublin based country cousins" build us up to be world beaters yet what quality teams have we beaten in championship football in the last 10 years??

I honestly think meath have a great chance of turning the tables on us on sunday. I have seen nothing to be optomistic about our chances this year.

Enjoy the day out and get your butts in for 2 bells to support the hurlers.

LeoB

Mullet wrote: »

"Dubs super sunday" your watching to much skysports. Ok gutted i wont be in my usual position in block b on the hill but i will be on my way home from another sporting event. The hurlers well its time to deliver as pete finnerty said lots of talent but no self belief. If we can get over antrim we can start to believe.

As for the footballers i am a bit disillustioned by them. The media "our dublin based country cousins" build us up to be world beaters yet what quality teams have we beaten in championship football in the last 10 years??

I honestly think meath have a great chance of turning the tables on us on sunday. I have seen nothing to be optomistic about our chances this year.

Enjoy the day out and get your butts in for 2 bells to support the hurlers.

Agree all the way. We are a bit like Wexford Hurlers 1 big performance a year and then a sickening defeat. I just worry that we dont hve the players to deliver day after day either on the pitch or to bring on. The Kerry and Tyrone panels seem a lot stronger than ours.
This match reminds me a little of last Sunday Tipp Cork but if Meath get their tails up they will be hard to stop. Didnt see Meath team yet but 2 years ago they made big strides and last year can be written off a disaster. But with a fit Stephen Bray, Joe Sheridan and Brian Farrell they will be dangerous even if they only win 40% around mid field.

Get in early and support the hurlers. They could do well this year.

Trampas

I have to pick herself up from the airport so will be heading over at that.

Probably miss the start of the hurlers but will be there by HT

neil_hosey

is this sold out?? :O

dcr22B

Dublin Team to face Meath this Sunday:

1. Cluxton
2. Henry
3. Bastick
4. Hubbard
5. Cahill
6. Brennan
7. Griffin
8. Mc Connell
9. Magee
10.Flynn
11.A. Brogan
12.Andrews
13.B. Brogan
14.Davoren
15.Keaney

7 changes from last year's debacle against Tyrone.

1. S Cluxton
2. D Henry
3. R McConnell
4. P Griffin
5. C Moran
6. B Cullen
7. B Cahill
8. C Whelan
9. S Ryan
10. D Connolly
11. J Sherlock
12. K Bonner
13. A Brogan
14. C Keaney
15. T Quinn

blackbelt

Mullet wrote: »

"Dubs super sunday" your watching to much skysports. Ok gutted i wont be in my usual position in block b on the hill but i will be on my way home from another sporting event. The hurlers well its time to deliver as pete finnerty said lots of talent but no self belief. If we can get over antrim we can start to believe.

As for the footballers i am a bit disillustioned by them. The media "our dublin based country cousins" build us up to be world beaters yet what quality teams have we beaten in championship football in the last 10 years??

I honestly think meath have a great chance of turning the tables on us on sunday. I have seen nothing to be optomistic about our chances this year.

Enjoy the day out and get your butts in for 2 bells to support the hurlers.

I would have to agree with you a bit here Mullet about the footballers but while I don't think Dublin are as good as they were between 2005-2007,I still believe the standard of other teams in Leinster has also disimproved.If this current Dublin team were to play the 2007 Meath time,I'd be extremely worried about our chances of a win.

But the fact remains that Geraghty is gone along with Fay and I think Moyles,Sheridan and Ward aren't exactly top quality players who'd be enough to win this game for Meath and Shane O Rourke is another loss for them.I hear Brian Farrell isn't exactly 100% fit either.However,saying this I'd go on record to say that he and Stephen Bray are probably the best Meath have to offer at this stage.I think Bray is the more likely match winner for Meath but I'd be confident that either one of Griffin,Cahill,Henry or Bastic can contain Bray.

As for ourselves,we have match winners in the two Brogans and Keaney.I would have thought Connolly or Quinn would start.I think we certainly need a free taker from placed balls in the absense of Vaughan and Quinn would be my choice but I have seen Keaney take them before.I'd also be very confident of Cahill or Henry even going forward to get a score or two.

I'm surprised that they have switched Brennan to half back instead of leaving him at left wing back.I did see him mark space in a challenge against Mayo but he can't afford to do this in the middle in front of goal.If he does struggle,I'd be quick to switch him back and hold Cullen in reserve if he struggles further.

yahoo_moe

blackbelt wrote: »

If this current Dublin team were to play the 2007 Meath time,I'd be extremely worried about our chances of a win.

Too right - I expected big things from Meath last year (I was very nervous) but it just never materialised. Hopefully this year will be similar.

I was surprised by Brennan there too - I still think Dublin need a stronger central player at 6. While the full-back position has changed a lot over the years, demanding a different type of player, I still think we could do with a more 'traditional' centre-back, which I'm not sure we've found yet.

As for the hurlers, I expect a good win, even without Ronan Fallon (huge loss), and a good season (though his absence will tell more as the season progresses).

entropi

neil_hosey wrote: »

is this sold out?? :O

From checking online and at the ticketmaster offices it seems only Upper Davin and some random single seats are left...sure i only managed to get mine today, luckily enough its in Upper Cusack:)

I'd say if you want tickets, get em fast this might just be a full house;)

Looking forward to watching the hurlers myself, yeah the Meath game is the big listing but i dont care, i'm a hurler myself and a Dub...G'wan the Dubs!!

Declan30

Dublin Hurlers Should win on Sunday.Seen them in action twice this yr and look well drilled and organised.
Anthony Daly has done a Good Job with them.

Footballers hard to know Pat Gilroy has gone for a lot of changes and will take this team a while to settle Down.
Still Dublin should have too much for meath on the Day.

Croke Park are saying between a crowd of 60-70 thousand not bad for a first round match.

Pride Fighter

Dublin will beat Antrim by 30 points:D:D

Bluetonic

Master of Nothing wrote: »

I'd say if you want tickets, get em fast this might just be a full house;)

The Leinster Council are expecting 60,000 to 70,000 saying it's very unlikely it will be sold out.

Ticketmasters allocation none the less may sell out. They only have a small allocation.

Bluetonic

Declan30 wrote: »

Footballers hard to know Pat Gilroy has gone for a lot of changes and will take this team a while to settle Down.

Lets just concentrate on Leinster for the time being.

Marse

Now that I've seen the team, have to say I'm worried about SundayA. Alot of changes for a championship opener against Meath. I'd have the hurlers as favorites, but you never know Antrim in their first Leinster game

Bluetonic

Marse wrote: »

Now that I've seen the team, have to say I'm worried about SundayA. Alot of changes for a championship opener against Meath.

A lot of changes from what?

Have you been keeping tabs with the league campaign and the challenge matches?

yahoo_moe

Bluetonic wrote: »

A lot of changes from what?

Yeah, I have to say RTE's "Gilroy makes 8 changes from the side that lost to Tyrone" shtick is annoying me - complete non-story, saying that people have been "dropped" when they've hardly been part of the plans for the last few months. :mad:

blackbelt

yahoo_moe wrote: »

Yeah, I have to say RTE's "Gilroy makes 8 changes from the side that lost to Tyrone" shtick is annoying me - complete non-story, saying that people have been "dropped" when they've hardly been part of the plans for the last few months. :mad:

That drivel annoys me too although when did RTE last cover a Dublin GAA match??...oh yes it was the Tyrone game last August and Dublin haven't played since then apparently!!:rolleyes:

A lot of changes from the conventional lineup that we are used to.Without the likes of Vaughan,Mossy Quinn,Dermot Connolly,Whelan,Ryan and Jason Sherlock starting,you'd think that the Dubs were seriously understrength but Gilroy has placed confidence in Andrews,Flynn,Magee,Davoren and McConnell.

Dubs to come good and win by 5 in my opinion.

Marse

Bluetonic wrote: »

A lot of changes from what?

Have you been keeping tabs with the league campaign and the challenge matches?

Yes, I have. But as you kindly pointed out they are league and challenge matches. So my statement of "alot of changes for championship" is correct.

Kinetic^

Ye should've named it dublin's super summer tbh!

matrixroyal

If I was a dub, I would be happy that at least Gilroy has broken up the old boys brigade of fellas who couldn't be dropped ( or sent off !!! ). I think he is building a good fresh team but maybe they haven't just clicked yet, maybe next year for them to go far.

From a Meath perspective, I think Eamonn O'Brien has done well to steady the ship and keep a low profile. We need to stop Ger Brennan coming up the field and we need to try to cut the supply to the Brogans because if they get lots of ball they will score. The Dubs won't be scared by our forwards now that Geraghty is gone but I think that if they are given the right ball, Cian Ward, Bray and Brian Farrell can be dangerous. Crawford is playing well and Mark Ward can have a good game if he lets the ball go quicker.



On paper the Dubs have a better team and panel but rain is forecast and if Meath are up for it then we could have a very tight game.

Marse

blackbelt wrote: »

That drivel annoys me too although when did RTE last cover a Dublin GAA match??...oh yes it was the Tyrone game last August and Dublin haven't played since then apparently!!:rolleyes:

A lot of changes from the conventional lineup that we are used to.Without the likes of Vaughan,Mossy Quinn,Dermot Connolly,Whelan,Ryan and Jason Sherlock starting,you'd think that the Dubs were seriously understrength but Gilroy has placed confidence in Andrews,Flynn,Magee,Davoren and McConnell.

Dubs to come good and win by 5 in my opinion.

They say it because it’s true. There is a massive difference between a league or challenge match in Parnell Park and walking out in Croker for the Leinster championship opener against Meath. This isn’t a challenge on who is the bigger supporter or knows more about the Dublin setup. It’s just a statement, “a lot of changes from last years championship team”. People are going to make these statements, if the team wins with ease, the manager will have silenced them.

Bluetonic

Marse wrote: »

Yes, I have. But as you kindly pointed out they are league and challenge matches. So my statement of "alot of changes for championship" is correct.

Marse wrote:

Alot of changes for a championship opener

I, and others, fail to see the relevance 'a lot of changes' from a team that played 10 months ago makes when the current team have played many times together already.

I find it quite an ignorant statement, but expect nothing less from certain quarters of Dublin support.

Marse

Bluetonic wrote: »

I, and others, fail to see the relevance 'a lot of changes' from a team that played 10 months ago makes when the current team have played many times together already.

I find it quite an ignorant statement, but expect nothing less from certain quarters of Dublin support.

You’re welcome to find it ignorant, as you like, and I’d expect nothing less from the Elitist Dublin supporters. The “I go to league and challenge matches “ type . Well I go to League matches and underage games too. But I can still see that regardless of league, these guys haven’t played championship in the current setup. And that’s all I’m saying. I don’t see where the big problem is coming from!!! Or the reason for the attack. My statement was hardly harsh!!!

Bluetonic

Fair enough, no point in having an argument over it, we'll agree to differ on it's relevance and we'll know for sure come Sunday evening.

Marse

Bluetonic wrote: »

Fair enough, no point in having an argument over it, we'll agree to differ on it's relevance and we'll know for sure come Sunday evening.

Indeed.

blackbelt

Meath have named their starting 15.

Meath (SF v Dublin): P O'Rourke; A Moyles, K Reilly, E Harrington; S Kenny, N McKeigue, C McGuinness; M Ward, N Crawford; S McAnarney, S Bray, B Meade; C Ward, C King, B Farrell.

I find it really strange that they have suddenly taken two defenders and put them up forward but it wreaks of desperation to cover Peadar Byrne and Joe Sheridan.I think those two will be subbed later in the game.

I think the duels of the game will be Magee and Crawford and Brennan and Bray if the lineups are the suggested positions although I am very confident that Griffin may switch with Brennan to mark Bray.Griffin pretty much had Bray in his back pocket when Crokes beat Navan O Mahoney's so it seems very logical with Brennan coming back into his normal position.

Lemlin

matrixroyal wrote: »

If I was a dub, I would be happy that at least Gilroy has broken up the old boys brigade of fellas who couldn't be dropped ( or sent off !!! ). I think he is building a good fresh team but maybe they haven't just clicked yet, maybe next year for them to go far.

From a Meath perspective, I think Eamonn O'Brien has done well to steady the ship and keep a low profile. We need to stop Ger Brennan coming up the field and we need to try to cut the supply to the Brogans because if they get lots of ball they will score. The Dubs won't be scared by our forwards now that Geraghty is gone but I think that if they are given the right ball, Cian Ward, Bray and Brian Farrell can be dangerous. Crawford is playing well and Mark Ward can have a good game if he lets the ball go quicker.



On paper the Dubs have a better team and panel but rain is forecast and if Meath are up for it then we could have a very tight game.

I agree totally with the above about Dublin. For far too long Dublin have had players hanging around the panel that were in the comfort zone and were making no in-roads to either entering the starting 15 or making it any better. Its about time that was broken up.

Dublin Meath is always a tight game. No matter how weak a team Meath have, they always put it up to Dublin like in 2007. However, I think the Dubs will just shade this one and will probably win Leinster. As per previous years though, that's where their involvement will end.

I know its always controversial when I say it, but I think any Leinster person will admit that Leinster is by far the weakest footballing province over the past decade. No team has even contested a final since 2001 and that will continue this year.

mailblaney

blackbelt wrote: »

Meath have named their starting 15.

Meath (SF v Dublin): P O'Rourke; A Moyles, K Reilly, E Harrington; S Kenny, N McKeigue, C McGuinness; M Ward, N Crawford; S McAnarney, S Bray, B Meade; C Ward, C King, B Farrell.

I find it really strange that they have suddenly taken two defenders and put them up forward but it wreaks of desperation to cover Peadar Byrne and Joe Sheridan.I think those two will be subbed later in the game.

I think the duels of the game will be Magee and Crawford and Brennan and Bray if the lineups are the suggested positions although I am very confident that Griffin may switch with Brennan to mark Bray.Griffin pretty much had Bray in his back pocket when Crokes beat Navan O Mahoney's so it seems very logical with Brennan coming back into his normal position.

wreaks of desparation is a bit harsh there lad. Brendan Reilly converted from half back to full forward in 96, similarly Geraghty from half back to half forward in 99. now i wouldn't put these guys in the same bracket as geraghty and Reilly, but it must be noted that Eamon O'Brien was a Meath selector when these moves happened. I'd expect to see Farrell occuppy the full forward position at times on Sunday with mobilty being offered by King. I worry for us on Sunday. We usually put up a good battle against the Dubs but this Meath team could collapse on Sunday like against Wexford and Limerick. But you just never know with Meath.

Flukey

It's a day to look forward to, for both the Hurling and Football. Two very intriguing clashes. I still think it will be a Dublin double. Join us in Madigan's on O'Connell Street after the match for a full analysis.

Royal Seahawk

blackbelt wrote: »

I find it really strange that they have suddenly taken two defenders and put them up forward but it wreaks of desperation to cover Peadar Byrne and Joe Sheridan.

Suddenly? There's a competition called The National League, you should check it out sometime.

Orizio

Dubs should be beating Antrim by ten and Meath by five really, two very mediocre teams.

blackbelt

What??...you mean I'm mod of the GAA forum and nobody told me about the National League til now?......:eek::eek:...:rolleyes:

Royal Seahawk

blackbelt wrote: »

What??...you mean I'm mod of the GAA forum and nobody told me about the National League til now?......:eek::eek:...:rolleyes:

Apparently so.

Lemlin

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

Suddenly? There's a competition called The National League, you should check it out sometime.

The National League isn't all that great an indicator and most teams just use it to test out different players, formations etc.

For example, Derry won it last year and look how they did in the Championship.

I never really take much notice of it apart from how my own county do.

blackbelt

mailblaney wrote: »

wreaks of desparation is a bit harsh there lad. Brendan Reilly converted from half back to full forward in 96, similarly Geraghty from half back to half forward in 99. now i wouldn't put these guys in the same bracket as geraghty and Reilly, but it must be noted that Eamon O'Brien was a Meath selector when these moves happened. I'd expect to see Farrell occuppy the full forward position at times on Sunday with mobilty being offered by King. I worry for us on Sunday. We usually put up a good battle against the Dubs but this Meath team could collapse on Sunday like against Wexford and Limerick. But you just never know with Meath.

Good post fella.The Geraghty switch was one which stuck in my mind but I haven't seen enough of McAnarney and King in the forward line.Seen them twice this year against Cork and Monaghan but couldn't really remember how they got on.

I expect to see Farrell at full forward and Bray in the half forwards.They'll be marked by Bastick and Griffin who are very formidable defenders.A lot of people are predicting that Meath will strike and catch Dublin when they are most vulnerable but I think Dublin will win reasonably well and pull away just a little bit to copperfasten the win.

Also had Meath reached a league final,I would have been slightly more worried but they didn't and both teams have the same number of competitive matches.Plus,Gilroy isn't stupid.Under the Caffrey management,a lot less challenge games would have been played and under lesser opposition.Same can be said with Eamon O Brien and Meath.

However,I can't see Meath hanging on for a win.If Meath get a good run at Dublin and things are going pear shaped,I am confident that Gilroy can analyse where changes are needed and Dublin have a wealth of experience on the bench in Cullen,Whelan,Ryan,Quinn and Sherlock.Dermot Connolly is another player that can produce a good performance and get crucial points.

All I can see on the Meath bench is Sheridan,Byrne and McGill.McGill is a bit injured and Sheridan and Byrne have failed to make it by all accounts.I interested too see O Rourke in goal for Meath.By all accounts he is very raw and young,only 19.That will be a huge ask of a very young goalkeeper to stop Dublin forwards like Davoran,Keaney and the Brogans getting goals.If they breach the Meath defense,it could be curtains for Meath.

dxhound2005

Four of us are thinking of going to the game but we have no tickets at present. Will they be on sale on Sunday? Can get off the Dart at either Clontarf Road or Connolly so where would the nearest outlet be?

Bluetonic

Tickets will also be on sale on Saturday (from Dorset Street TO) from 11am to 4pm and on Sunday at ticket outlets approaching the ground.

The only outlet I've ever seen is on the Lower Drumcondra Road. There'll probably be someone in the office today if you give one of the Leinster Council, Ticketmaster, Croke Park, or the GAA a ring. All separate offices, numbers online.

Orizio

How many tickets have been sold thus far?

joey54

Orizio wrote: »

How many tickets have been sold thus far?

I heard it was in the region of 60,000.

dxhound2005

Bluetonic wrote: »

The only outlet I've ever seen is on the Lower Drumcondra Road. There'll probably be someone in the office today if you give one of the Leinster Council, Ticketmaster, Croke Park, or the GAA a ring. All separate offices, numbers online.

Thanks Bluetonic. I phoned Croke Park and they have a message saying tickets will be on sale today in Dorset St and on Sunday at the Bishops Palace Drumcondra Rd, Gills Corner, Ballybough and Dorset St (I think I got that right). I know where Gills pub is so will probably go there. I imagine it wont be possible to get 4 tickets together since will wont be able to get into Dublin until about 2.40.

aidan24326

mailblaney wrote: »

But you just never know with Meath.

That used to be the case, but looking at the Meath team that will line out on Sunday I can't see them beating Dublin, even allowing for Dublin having a few question marks over them aswell. In fact, if Dublin can forget the colour of the Meath jerseys, forget about the hype and the tradition and all of that, and see Meath for the very ordinary outfit that they currently are, I think Dublin could win this with a few points to spare. I'll go Dublin 2-12 Meath 0-11

dxhound2005 wrote: »

I imagine it wont be possible to get 4 tickets together since will wont be able to get into Dublin until about 2.40.

They're not expecting the crowd to be any bigger than about 65,000 so you should have no trouble getting 4 together. Weather forecast is bad aswell so there probably won't be a big takeup on tickets Sunday morning if it's p1ssing rain.

corcaioch

Got a link to a collection of memorable goals and footage from past Dublin v Meath matches.

Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=DE05995C7F2FA846




Could be a classic today!

DDC1990

Many Dubs in for the Hurling?

garbanzo

DDC1990 wrote: »

Many Dubs in for the Hurling?

Planning to head in now, grab a pe-match pint and catch the second half of the hurling. Up The Dubs !

juvenal

Anyone give me an update on the hurling? I thought I had a stream link for it, but it's not working at the moment.:(

APM

Anybody got a good stream? Link or PM, would be extremely greatful!

Orizio

Antrim doing alright, a goal in arrears.

juvenal

Half-time in Croke Park: Dublin 1-06 Antrim 0-08.

flahavaj

Did many Dubs bother going in for the hurling, I wonder? You'd like to think they'd make the effort and support their county who are making great strides this year and deserve all the encouragement they can get.

juvenal

Dublin with a comfortable lead now, 2-16 to 0-10.

flahavaj

Just realised the stream is on rte.ie. Looks like a healthy crowd showed up too. Fair play to them.