scrappage sceme ,waste of good cars ?

manta mad

look whats falling victim to the new scrappage sceme in england !!!!!

this is from the pistonheads website


Friday 22nd MaySCRAPPAGE SENDS CLASSICS TO THE HEAP
Hyundai reveals some of the victims of scrappage



With the first week of the controversial scrappage scheme drawing to a close, Hyundai has decided to reveal what sort of metal is being sent to the scrap heap and it doesn’t make for particularly pleasant reading.

Amongst the causalities include six MX-5s, seven MGFs and a Jaguar XJ-S. German barges haven’t escaped the scrap battle either, with 34 BMWs, 22 Audis and 32 Mercedes all apparently on their way to the heap in the name of the scrappage scheme.

Nissan Micras have so far proved the most popular car to be scrapped at Hyundai dealerships since the scheme was introduced on Monday, with over 200 making way for a new car.

However an MG Midget, Nissan 300ZX, MGB GT and (we regret to inform you) a Fiat X1/9 have also been scrapped. Not all manufacturers have been as open as Hyundai over what they’ve been receiving, and although some cars will be dismantled in order to further the life of other classics it does hurt to tell you that a 1968 Morris Minor has also succumbed to the lure of £2k off a new car.

It isn’t, however, the scrappage scheme’s oldest victim, a 1966 Austin 1100 was also handed over.

Landyaddict

Scandalous, On that I spoke to Thorntons in Dublin. they accept cars back as part of the ELV directive. The guy was very helpful and very knowledgable. I asked him about classic and land rovers coming in.
Some of the stories would make your hair stand up.

One was an MGB very good condition, lots of new parts, another was a Range Rover Sport 2006 with less than 5K on the clock ( I know its not a classic, but hey!)

carchaeologist

Oh dear,and thats just after one week..

Camarague

What is the ELV directive and how did an MGB in perfect condition end up considered an End of Life Vehicle?

Is there any way cars can be saved from this?

I mean a system to prevent decent cars from being destroyed.

sogood

Agree totally. Our scrappage scheme, when introduced years back, did admittedly take a lot of bangers off the roads, but it also removed a rich source of potential project cars and parts, for restorations. I remember when I was (much) younger, wandering, dreamlike,through breakers yards, on Clanbrassil street and up in Tallaght, where practically anything you needed was available. Its almost criminal that such cars are scrapped. Surely the purchaser of a new car might do a better deal by trying to sell privately and putting the money towards their new car? There ought to be a law! Hang on, there is! Damn!

loc5

Camarague wrote: »

What is the ELV directive and how did an MGB in perfect condition end up considered an End of Life Vehicle?

Is there any way cars can be saved from this?

I mean a system to prevent decent cars from being destroyed.

yes the fecers of people dont scrap their cars!!!!
the best of stuff went last time and since with this outrageous NCT it was all supposed to transform us into a crash free country but how many has died on our roads since:mad::mad: its just a fecin racket but its up to the people not to co operate

well done camarague

8~)

"outrageous NCT"

Why so upset about the NCT?

mickoneill30

loc5 wrote: »

but how many has died on our roads since

Haven't the numbers been decreasing hugely over the last couple of years?

Not saying the NCT or scrappage scheme have anything to do with the numbers but it seems like an odd argument.

Landyaddict

Camarague wrote: »

What is the ELV directive and how did an MGB in perfect condition end up considered an End of Life Vehicle?

Is there any way cars can be saved from this?

In this case, MGB came in from a garage. It had been traded in and the garage just sent it along with it's other weekly load to be crushed.
One saving grace, it's value was noted by a staff member, but the most he could do was to strip off as much as his lunch hour would allow him and pass on these to another MG owner for spares.

Some owners follow all the rules and spend lots of money keeping classics going. Others just run them till they stop, the fad wears off and the vehicle ends up been scrapped.
As for the ELV, http://www.google.ie/search?hl=en&q=elv+directive&meta=cr%3DcountryIE&aq=0&oq=ELV+dir its the end of life vehicle directive, put in place to ensure that cars are not just dumped on the side of the road with the reg plates removed. :rolleyes: As if that stops the garda from not knowing who owns a vehicle.

As for saving cars from this, I wish I had lots of land and a dirty big workshop. God, I hope I win the lottery soon :P

Landy

MercMad

I really think these scrappage schemes are counter productive. What we actually need, to be green about these matters, is for car companies to reduce the numbers of new cars they make, since the actual manufacturing process causes more pollution that the car ever will.

There should be an incentive for folk to retain their old car in good order. But of course thats commercial suicide so they will invent stats and schemes to keep the industry going.

Dades

The only green the gov are thinking about is the VRT cash they are scoring on every new car bought because of the scrappage scheme.

So under the rules of the scheme, the car has to be scrapped by the garage once the 2K is granted? No wiggle room if a really good car comes in?

MercMad

Dades wrote: »

The only green the gov are thinking about is the VRT cash they are scoring on every new car bought because of the scrappage scheme.

So under the rules of the scheme, the car has to be scrapped by the garage once the 2K is granted? No wiggle room if a really good car comes in?

............presumably it would mean if someone wanted to give €2k for it they could save it.

Last time it was €1000 off and I sold several cars to the trade at that and sometimes a bit more !

Bitten & Hisses

Landyaddict wrote: »

another was a Range Rover Sport 2006 with less than 5K on the clock ( I know its not a classic, but hey!)

What was the story here, was it badly crashed or something?

Landyaddict

Bitten & Hisses wrote: »

What was the story here, was it badly crashed or something?

It wasn't crashed, it drove into the yard. Dealer sent in some staff members to ensure the car was crushed.
Really long story but heres the highlights:

• Lady owner from new
• Car had some sort of dash fire
• insurance wanted dealer to explain the issue and its cause
• Dealer got word from Land Rover UK to destroy car
• Lady owner got payout, insurance happy,Dealer happy

Something like that, but a bloody shame

Camarague

How on earth did the MGB end up being considered scrap?

Was the dealer just completely clueless?

Was the owner of the MGB aware of its fate?

bushy...

I think there was some loophole a few years ago in the UK about using a classic as a company car , you'd save a fair bit of tax . Probably closed up now so that'd be the end of interest in them for a lot of people.

hi5

The world economy as we know it and particularly in the last 15 years or so relys on consumption and production,this is not sustainable in the long run as we have been discovering in the last year or so, governments will keep trying in the meantime.
Does anyone care about potential classic televisions or fridges:)I'm sure there are a few lone voices out there?
But I agree there needs to be some differentiation between run of the mill and more exotic models,maybe some of the classsic clubs could do up a list recommended potential classics and these could be safely drained and put into storage. In todays depressed financial investement markets surely the returns would have to be competitive.

Landyaddict

Camarague wrote: »

How on earth did the MGB end up being considered scrap?

Was the dealer just completely clueless?

Was the owner of the MGB aware of its fate?

Since this was passed onto me from the source and then onto here, I don't know the in's and out's to be exact. I do know that when a vehicle comes in from one of the dealers that Thorntons are contracted to, they don't ask why, they get paid to crush and ELV the vehicle.

The problem here is the dealers,They get a trade in car, they then look at what is the resell(if any) value, plus warranty, how long it would take to sell, is there a market for this make/model, how old is the vehicle.

In the long run and this came from a dealer's saleman, Car's old than 2003 (at present, this can change depending on the garage)are worthless. There is a small market for independent garages to sell this type, but the dealers would rather keep away if possible.
On saying that, I have seen older vehicles on the forecourt of said dealer recently, but these have been high end models and high value cars.

In another comment made here about classic car clubs and possible storage of some classics for the future, Is that not what the hertigae centre and Gaydon in the UK are doing?

If you want a classic, put the word out, I have. But I'm a Land rover guy.

So, here it is: Any old broken down heaps of Land rovers lying around in a field, on a farm, in a shed, in a scrap yard, looking like swiss cheese, rust ridden heap....... I want it.

There, That's me doing my bit.... I also put the word in with Thorntons for ANY land Rovers that come his way, to give me an hour or two at it with me mobile workshop.


Land Rover, Bolted together like Mechano, taken apart in minutes.

Dades

bushy... wrote: »

I think there was some loophole a few years ago in the UK about using a classic as a company car , you'd save a fair bit of tax . Probably closed up now so that'd be the end of interest in them for a lot of people.

That was when you could calculate your taxable benefit-in-kind using the OMV of your car - without adjusting it for inflation. I also assume you can do that no more. I remember an article about it in the Motor section of the Irish Times years ago, (10-15 maybe). It had a red classic 911 owner talking about it.