Keto

MagicMarker

I'm not one for ''diets'', never tried one before but I'm just curious if those here would recommend something like this? TBH my knowledge of it is very limited and I plan on looking into it later on this evening, but from what I've read so far it just looks like atkins?

Am I missing something?

Edwardius

Well stage one atkins is essentially a keto diet. You probably won't enjoy it much if you're lifting though.

FunkZ

You could always try something like eating carbs twice a week and then counting calories and not eating em the other five. Your body probably won't go into ketosis and ya should be able to have enough energy for your workouts. I'm tired so I can't help much at the moment.

Read the link in my signature though.

Hanley

I personally think the most sensible (although not the simplest) thing you can do is cycle your carbs.

Say you're weight training 3x a week, pick the hardest two and have your "high" carb days then, a "medium" day on the 3rd, and then on the non-training days low carb it.

Keeps your body guessing, keeps strength and recovery as high as possible, and it's relatively simple to do.

celestial

Hanley wrote: »

I personally think the most sensible (although not the simplest) thing you can do is cycle your carbs.

Say you're weight training 3x a week, pick the hardest two and have your "high" carb days then, a "medium" day on the 3rd, and then on the non-training days low carb it.

Keeps your body guessing, keeps strength and recovery as high as possible, and it's relatively simple to do.

+1 - and most importantly of all, this method is the most sustainable. It's very hard to say 'I'm gonna cut carbs for x weeks' - you need something that's gonna work with the different things you wanna do and the different demands life throws at ya. You also get a benefit from taking in quite a lot of carbs 1-2 days a week, after you've limited them for most of the other days.

I'd say don't overcomplicate things MagicMarker - you seem to be doing pretty good anyway going by your log. A simple approach of keeping your carbs for when you need them and eating mainly protein and fats when you don't need them as much. I have to say though at your weight you don't need these kind of dietary approaches at all at this stage - just eat clean and keep up the exercise!

Hanley

celestial wrote: »

I'd say don't overcomplicate things MagicMarker - you seem to be doing pretty good anyway going by your log. A simple approach of keeping your carbs for when you need them and eating mainly protein and fats when you don't need them as much. I have to say though at your weight you don't need these kind of dietary approaches at all at this stage - just eat clean and keep up the exercise!

Key....

When to have carbs;
1) Breakfast
2) an hour or two pre-workout
3) immediately postworkout

Try to have protein and fats the rest of the time and you should start to see some good improvements. I don't think it's even necessary to count calories if you can do that consistently. You should see good results, and when they start to stall, then take it a step further.

MagicMarker

Thanks guys for the advice, one more thing. I mentioned it in my log earlier, but I decided to workout my calorie needs using G'em's equation in the stickies, basically my maintainence level is 4700, taking away 15% and that's about 4000 calories a day! :eek:

I'm probably only getting about 2500 as it is, I am slowly but surely losing the fat but do you think I should try and get in 4000? It just seems like an awful lot, I don't know how I'd manage it cleanly.

AlphaMale 3OO

Hanley wrote: »

I personally think the most sensible (although not the simplest) thing you can do is cycle your carbs.

Say you're weight training 3x a week, pick the hardest two and have your "high" carb days then, a "medium" day on the 3rd, and then on the non-training days low carb

Keeps your body guessing, keeps strength and recovery as high as possible, and it's relatively simple to do.

I've tried doing it this way and think it works but it threw up a conundrum for me because I train in the mornings. I started to think that my carbs would be better injested the day before training rather than the day of, as other than quick post-training carbs what use are they to me after working out as i have already trained? If I trained in the evening this wouldn't be such a problem. I'm still not sure if the method I used holds any credence as low cal diets have always fcuked up my strength either way but were great for fat loss. If anyone can prove or disprove this I'd be interested to hear.

rubadub

Hanley wrote: »

2) an hour or two pre-workout
3) immediately postworkout.

Is there any reason not to be eating during a workout (other than gym rules!, slowing you down, cramps etc). I always hear the body needs protein straight after a workout, so I figure if I am drinking shakes during a workout then the body is getting what it needs right away with absolutely no delays.

itsallaboutheL

rubadub wrote: »

Is there any reason not to be eating during a workout (other than gym rules!, slowing you down, cramps etc). I always hear the body needs protein straight after a workout, so I figure if I am drinking shakes during a workout then the body is getting what it needs right away with absolutely no delays.

oh dear god not peri workout shakes!!!

i can see Thibs or one of the t-nation crew sitting on your shoulder whispering "come over to the dark side"!!

Hanley

rubadub wrote: »

Is there any reason not to be eating during a workout (other than gym rules!, slowing you down, cramps etc). I always hear the body needs protein straight after a workout, so I figure if I am drinking shakes during a workout then the body is getting what it needs right away with absolutely no delays.

My own personal opinion (based on nothing but intuition) is that peri-workout protein shakes are a load of crap. All they're gonna do is draw blood into your stomach to help with the digestion process, which is probably gonna make you feel queasy as hell and effect your workout (NOTE: this is obviously not entirely scientifically accurate, but you get the gist). It's not really a question of supplying it with what it needs when it needs it, but whether if you do give it protein during a workout can it be effectively utilised without impeding the workout itself??

I definitely think peri-workout carb drinks and water are beneficial tho.

Tbh, if you've had some protein an hour or two before the gym, and spend an hour or two working out, you're going for 4 hours max without protein, I think the body can probably survive!!

MyPeopleDrankTheSoup

MagicMarker wrote: »

Thanks guys for the advice, one more thing. I mentioned it in my log earlier, but I decided to workout my calorie needs using G'em's equation in the stickies, basically my maintainence level is 4700, taking away 15% and that's about 4000 calories a day! :eek:

I'm probably only getting about 2500 as it is, I am slowly but surely losing the fat but do you think I should try and get in 4000? It just seems like an awful lot, I don't know how I'd manage it cleanly.

4000 seems an awful lot. try this site, i find it fairly accurate as a web calculator can be:

http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm

rocky

For me:

Maintenance:
2722 Calories/day
Fat Loss:
2177 Calories/day
Extreme Fat Loss:
1725 Calories/day

Must be doing something wrong, probably underestimating my calories...