Display Ban on Tobacco

Sunset V

Ahoy hoy,

Just something that I stumbled upon yesterday. From 1st July, there will be a display ban on tobacco products in shops. This means tobacco must be kept under the counter, all existing machines and vendors must be removed - at the shop's expense.

I'm not a smoker and I really can't stand the smell of smoke and the links to cancer cannot be overlooked but I'm not sure that the ban will help anything. I doubt hiding cigarettes under the counter would stop underage smoking. It just seems to be putting a strain on shopkeepers.

I'm not advocating smoking or warning people that they shouldn't smoke I just think that shopkeepers are being hit very unfairly.

Cheers.

af_thefragile

And what about alcohol?
Double standards much aye?!


First comes an informative adverts showing how smoking destroys your and your families lungs.
Next comes Miller - genuinely easy!!
Aren't we all hypocritical bastards!

biko

I thought it was at displaying ads for cigarettes/tobacco in bus stops/windows/papers etc, like a lot of EU already have?

Alcohol is probably next fragile

Mimikyu

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Sunset V

It's that too from what I've read but cigarettes can't be in the eye line or something like that.

WindSock

Magnus wrote: »

I thought it was at displaying ads for cigarettes/tobacco in bus stops/windows/papers etc, like a lot of EU already have?

Alcohol is probably next fragile

I thought all tobacco advertising was banned here already? I doubt they would ban alcohol ads, they make too much money from them.

Miguel_Sanchez

Magnus wrote: »

Alcohol is probably next fragile

They'll have to have huge chilled counters to stick all that booze under.

mp3guy

af_thefragile wrote: »

And what about alcohol?
Double standards much aye?!

Having a standard for one thing and a different standard for another isn't called "Double Standards". It's just called "Standards". Last time I had a pint I was *fairly* sure I wasn't downing a glass of Marlboro, that is, Cigarettes and Alcoholic beverages aren't the same thing, so naturally different standards exist for them.

AnonoBoy

mp3guy wrote: »

Having a standard for one thing and a different standard for another isn't called "Double Standards". It's just called "Standards". Last time I had a pint I was *fairly* sure I wasn't downing a glass of Marlboro, that is, Cigarettes and Alcoholic beverages aren't the same thing, so naturally different standards exist for them.

Begone with your logic it has no place here in After Hours.

mp3guy

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Begone with your logic it has no place here in After Hours.

I guess being too smart for After Hours isn't difficult :rolleyes:

My name is URL

What a load of bollox, I don't know anyone that's taken up smoking just because they liked a display behind a counter.

Gone Drinking

How's this going to work for cigarette machines in the pub or whatever?

Press a button and hope its the brand you wanted!

mp3guy

I think it's psychological more than anything else. Seeing stuff for sale is essentially advertising. I know if I'm somewhere and I see a bar, I'd usually like a drink, but if I couldn't see a bar anywhere the thought wouldn't occur to me.

Mr.Lizard

Couldn't care less about shopkeepers. They were quite happily profiting from smokers and now they're taking a loss. Tough luck for them.

zonEEE

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

Couldn't care less about shopkeepers. They were quite happily profiting from smokers and now they're taking a loss. Tough luck for them.

are you mad? shop keepers make sweet **** all on a pack of fags.....

My name is URL

mp3guy wrote: »

I think it's psychological more than anything else. Seeing stuff for sale is essentially advertising. I know if I'm somewhere and I see a bar, I'd usually like a drink, but if I couldn't see a bar anywhere the thought wouldn't occur to me.

Well if you're in a bloody pub, you're more than likely there for a drink. That's like saying you don't usually think about fast food, unless you're in a take away buying some fast food


If the government seriously wanted people to stop buying cigs, they'd make them illegal.. or only sell them in specifically licensed shops.

This fcuking country

PaulieBoy

My name is URL wrote: »

What a load of bollox, I don't know anyone that's taken up smoking just because they liked a display behind a counter.

So why do you think that cigarette companies spend all that cash on these display's ? They are not doing it for the good of their health :-)

There is so little opportunity to advertise left for the cigarette companies that they take advantage of any they get. It's no harm to remove the displays, removing them is not going to cause someone to start smoking!
Advertising not only helps to get people to engage in something, it helps reinforce the decision to engage in something as well.

As for a ban on alcohol advertising , in time !!!

mp3guy

My name is URL wrote: »

Well if you're in a bloody pub, you're more than likely there for a drink. That's like saying you don't usually think about fast food, unless you're in a take away buying some fast food

Yeah, because bars only exist in pubs and nowhere else :rolleyes:

b28

They proposed that years ago and its only starting the 1st of July!!
And why did they put Irish health warnings on the packages instead of the picture warnings which are now in effect in the UK! Who even cares about Irish on the packages instead of the language patriots( a pictures says a thousand words)

By the way I'm a smoker!

Mimikyu

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Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

*phew*

that's another choice the goverment will make for me, thanks lads. This living thing is hard.

Red Alert

Cue another claim of persecution from the smokers.......

WindSock

Gone Drinking wrote: »

How's this going to work for cigarette machines in the pub or whatever?

Press a button and hope its the brand you wanted!

Out pops a pack of tampons. Unlucky.

Mr.Lizard

strongr wrote: »

are you mad? shop keepers make sweet **** all on a pack of fags.....

Well they aren't selling them for their own health (or anyone elses for that matter) so clearly they're benefitting from sales.

Sea Sharp

Don't underestimate the power of advertising.

Bearing in mind the amount of tax the government take in from cigarettes they should be encouraging people to smoke.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Red Alert wrote: »

Cue another claim of persecution from the smokers.......

in what way is this not persecution?

Jeff_Lebowski

Jeff_Lebowski wrote: »

They'll have to have huge chilled counters to stick all that booze under.

If they couldn't display alcohol in the shops you would imagine the same would apply to the pubs! Could you imagine a pub with no alcohol on display!

It would be a sad day for Ireland if you walked into a pub and couldn't see drink! Thankfully this will never happen. We wouldn't want to end up like France where they cannot even mention the Heineken cup on TV etc.

Alter-Ego

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

Well they aren't selling them for their own health (or anyone elses for that matter) so clearly they're benefitting from sales.

Nope. The reason shops sell cigarettes is to get punters into the shop to buy a highly addictive substance and maybe a chocolate bar and a drink. There's little or no profit in tobacco sales the money is made on the impulse buys that come with the sale of tobacco.

Mr.Lizard

Alter-Ego wrote: »

Nope. The reason shops sell cigarettes is to get punters into the shop to buy a highly addictive substance and maybe a chocolate bar and a drink. There's little or no profit in tobacco sales the money is made on the impulse buys that come with the sale of tobacco.

ie they're benefitting from the sale of tobacco.

RATM

By putting them under th counter you simply make them more desirable to teenagers, the 'have to have what you can't get' syndrome.

Sunset V

RATM wrote: »

By putting them under th counter you simply make them more desirable to teenagers, the 'have to have what you can't get' syndrome.

I never even thought of that to be honest. But it's bound to have an impact alright

JC 2K3

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

Couldn't care less about shopkeepers. They were quite happily profiting from smokers and now they're taking a loss. Tough luck for them.

And the government?

This is just window dressing. It was the same with banning 10 packs. The government can't afford to lose out on the revenue obtained from tax on cigarettes, so they appease the moral majority by introducing useless measures and raise the price of cigarettes to compensate for any small loss in sales these measures might have.

Rented Mule

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain .....

Alter-Ego

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

ie they're benefitting from the sale of tobacco.

Aye. Read your post wrong. Benefiting indirectly.

Mr.Lizard

JC 2K3 wrote: »

And the government?

The OP didn't address the effect of tobacco sales on the government, so neither did I.

Ste.phen

Am i right in understanding that the pub vending machines will go, but the ones behind shop counters can stay once the advertising on them is changed from being cigarette adverstising to something else?

Sunset V

Mr.Lizard wrote: »

The OP didn't address the effect of tobacco sales on the government, so neither did I.

I didn't address the affect it will have on the government for two reasons really. 1.) I don't know and 2.) My major, and only gripe really, with the ban is shopkeepers getting the raw end of the deal. I'm not a shopkeeper, I've got a nice office job in the south that's reasonably safe (touch wood). The government still get the same price for fags but the shopkeepers lose out on money with add on sales etc. I think they're being hung out if you ask me. I have no evidence to prove this whatsoever but this type of ban is bound to drive more people to bigger shopping centers and the like over the local shop.

whitetigerkungf

this is a stupid measure. as mentiond before if the gov really wanted to get rid of cigs they would just make them illegal. but those bastards are the biggest vested interest in the tobacco industry.

as for alcohol thats much worse to socity but ul never see that banned ether. i dont know any smokers that have 10 cigs then go out and beat the crap out of someone on the street or go home and beat their wife and kids.

**** like ash have to much power people should be allowed make up their own minds, and take responability for their own actions. if you want ot smoke then do if you dont dont simeple. whether cigs are advertised or not makes no difference everyone still knows they're there.

more populise politics from those assholes in the dail:mad:


by the way im a non smoker and dont even ike cigs but i hate the nanny state this is becoming.

Overheal

Captain Mords Spiced Bum wrote: »

in what way is this not persecution?

not quite on the same level as telling blacks they have to use the back of the bus.

Terry

Overheal wrote: »

not quite on the same level as telling blacks they have to use the back of the bus.

I don't believe we ever did that here.

Overheal

Terry wrote: »

I don't believe we ever did that here.

Which is why ye's seem to believe taking smokes off display is some form of persecution perhaps.

Terry

I don't think it's persecution. I just think It's stupid and pointless. Much like the act of smoking itself. Neither of which stop me from smoking anyway.

AnonoBoy

Overheal wrote: »

Which is why ye's seem to believe taking smokes off display is some form of persecution perhaps.

So you're saying to really appreciate how this isn't an act of persecution we need to persecute black people?

Gotcha.

*runs off to log onto Stormfront*

Overheal

Your welcome to be as obtuse as you like. Its a free Server. Well almost.

Terry wrote: »

I don't think it's persecution. I just think It's stupid and pointless. Much like the act of smoking itself. Neither of which stop me from smoking anyway.

Thats fair.