Should the Irish Constitution of Ireland be completely amended?

markopantelic

Yes or no.

Captain-America

What? Why would you do that?

slippy wicket

Captain-America wrote: »

What? Why would you do that?

In order to remove the foul stench of mcquaid off it!!!
need i say more.

O'Coonassa

In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity? etc

brianthebard

The Irish constitution of Ireland? Is the english version ok?
What would you amend it to anyways?

da_shivsta

ara sure why not, for the craic.

stepbar

markopantelic wrote: »

Yes or no.

It's a bit hard to say Yes or No if you don't tell us what you want to amend. Shocking lazy thread...........

markok84

shur didn't it already get butchered in 1998.


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Atheist :rolleyes:

randylonghorn

Should the Irish Constitution of Ireland be completely amended?

I don't know, but the Swedish Constitution of Ireland leaves a lot to be desired, and the Irish Constitution of Sweden is even worse!

You'd think they would say SOMETHING about nekkid saunas, but no!!

Sleepy

Getting rid of all the references to religion would be a good start...

entropi

OP, state your own reasons as to why it should be amended maybe?

GhostInTheRuins

Completely?

You mean change it so that everything in it means the exact opposite of what it does now?

RATM

Course it should.

Its littered with tons of out of date references. Women have a duty to be tied to the kitchen sink according to Bunreacht na hEireann.

Any amendment that outlaws "brown envelopes" would get my support.

RATM

RATM wrote: »

Course it should.

Its littered with tons of out of date references. Women have a duty to be tied to the kitchen sink according to Bunreacht na hEireann.

Isn't that part of BDSM roleplay. :pac:

netwhizkid

I believe that the Irish constitution should have new amendments made but not totally amended.

• We should reinstate the death penalty
• Make surrendering Irish sovereignty to the EU high treason thus facilitating our withdrawal
• Gun ownership should be made universal to Irish citizens, no citizen no gun
• No Taoiseach or President can rule for longer than 8 years and lower the presidency to 4 years and length of Government to 4 years. County Councils should have the authority to force a general election and there should be a poll every 2 years so if the people are not happy with the Government they can vote in the County Council elections knowing that a change of councils will facilitate a General Election.
• No non-Irish citizen allowed to vote in any poll, regardless of Council, Dail, Referendum or other.
• Our Neutrality needs to be enshrined further and control of our Borders taken back and the free movement of European citizens stopped, everyone should need a Visa to enter Ireland bar citizens of the Anglophone world such as the United States, United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand. Visa's to be granted only for Tourism and highly skilled labourers, first preference to the Anglophone world.
• Key Nationalisation of important industries such as Banking, Whitegate Refinery, Aer Lingus, All insurance companies and the entire telecommunications and media networks.
• The right to shoot and kill intruders on your private property.
• Irish citizenship to be granted only to Children of two Irish Citizen parents, all others to become Resident Aliens.

af_thefragile

EDIT: ^^ This is exactly the kind of amendment i'm saying no to!
Good job at setting up Ireland's own BNP/NSDAP!!


In place of what?
A socialist constitution?!

In which case, my answer's a big NO!

entropi

Deleted User wrote: »

Isn't that part of BDSM roleplay. :pac:

Back then in Nineteen dickety-two they used completely different types of rope, made from grass it was you see...:pac:

Morlar

OP - what change(s) were you thinking of ?

randylonghorn

netwhizkid wrote: »

[*]No Taoiseach or President can rule for longer than 8 years and lower the presidency to 4 years and length of Government to 4 years. County Councils should have the authority to force a general election and there should be a poll every 2 years so if the people are not happy with the Government they can vote in the County Council elections knowing that a change of councils will facilitate a General Election.

This is about the nearest I come to agreeing with you on any of the above, and I still have to ask why we should have a costly election for a figurehead President every 7 years?

In fact, extend the term to 10 years, with no second term.

O'Coonassa

netwhizkid wrote: »

I believe that the Irish constitution should have new amendments made but not totally amended.

• We should reinstate the death penalty
• Make surrendering Irish sovereignty to the EU high treason thus facilitating our withdrawal
• Gun ownership should be made universal to Irish citizens, no citizen no gun
• No Taoiseach or President can rule for longer than 8 years and lower the presidency to 4 years and length of Government to 4 years. County Councils should have the authority to force a general election and there should be a poll every 2 years so if the people are not happy with the Government they can vote in the County Council elections knowing that a change of councils will facilitate a General Election.
• No non-Irish citizen allowed to vote in any poll, regardless of Council, Dail, Referendum or other.
• Our Neutrality needs to be enshrined further and control of our Borders taken back and the free movement of European citizens stopped, everyone should need a Visa to enter Ireland bar citizens of the Anglophone world such as the United States, United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand. Visa's to be granted only for Tourism and highly skilled labourers, first preference to the Anglophone world.
• Key Nationalisation of important industries such as Banking, Whitegate Refinery, Aer Lingus, All insurance companies and the entire telecommunications and media networks.
• The right to shoot and kill intruders on your private property.
• Irish citizenship to be granted only to Children of two Irish Citizen parents, all others to become Resident Aliens.

Who said Eoin O'Duffy was dead? :rolleyes:

dsmythy

randylonghorn wrote: »

This is about the nearest I come to agreeing with you on any of the above, and I still have to ask why we should have a costly election for a figurehead President every 7 years?

In fact, extend the term to 10 years, with no second term.

Get rid of the current presidency altogether. Make the head of the Seanad the head of state.

RATM

netwhizkid wrote: »

I believe that the Irish constitution should have new amendments made but not totally amended.

• No non-Irish citizen allowed to vote in any poll, regardless of Council, Dail, Referendum or other.
• Our Neutrality needs to be enshrined further and control of our Borders taken back and the free movement of European citizens stopped, everyone should need a Visa to enter Ireland bar citizens of the Anglophone world such as the United States, United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand. Visa's to be granted only for Tourism and highly skilled labourers, first preference to the Anglophone world.
• Key Nationalisation of important industries such as Banking, Whitegate Refinery, Aer Lingus, All insurance companies and the entire telecommunications and media networks.
• Irish citizenship to be granted only to Children of two Irish Citizen parents, all others to become Resident Aliens.

Sounds like you don't know if you're a communist or a facist or both :rolleyes:

dsmythy

RATM wrote: »

Sounds like you don't know if you're a communist or a facist or both :rolleyes:

Diversity of opinion

Peep O'Day

GhostInTheRuins wrote: »

Completely?

You mean change it so that everything in it means the exact opposite of what it does now?

yes so instead of in the name of the most holy trinity it reads in the name of Almighty Logic



The answer to the great question

Unified Athiest League

Tchaikovsky

RATM wrote: »

Sounds like you don't know if you're a communist or a facist or both :rolleyes:

He's a pornstar

Morlar

RATM wrote: »

Sounds like you don't know if you're a communist or a facist or both :rolleyes

http://www.movablelove.com/assets_c/2008/02/fashionista-thumb-630xauto.jpg

af_thefragile

Peep O'Day wrote: »

yes so instead of in the name of the most holy trinity it reads in the name of Almighty Logic



The answer to the great question

Unified Athiest League

I'm sorry to say but you're misguided there. Obviously the Allied Atheist Aliance is the perfect answer to the great question!!

Overheal

netwhizkid wrote: »

I believe that the Irish constitution should have new amendments made but not totally amended.

• We should reinstate the death penalty
• Make surrendering Irish sovereignty to the EU high treason thus facilitating our withdrawal
• Gun ownership should be made universal to Irish citizens, no citizen no gun
• No Taoiseach or President can rule for longer than 8 years and lower the presidency to 4 years and length of Government to 4 years. County Councils should have the authority to force a general election and there should be a poll every 2 years so if the people are not happy with the Government they can vote in the County Council elections knowing that a change of councils will facilitate a General Election.
• No non-Irish citizen allowed to vote in any poll, regardless of Council, Dail, Referendum or other.
• Our Neutrality needs to be enshrined further and control of our Borders taken back and the free movement of European citizens stopped, everyone should need a Visa to enter Ireland bar citizens of the Anglophone world such as the United States, United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand. Visa's to be granted only for Tourism and highly skilled labourers, first preference to the Anglophone world.
• Key Nationalisation of important industries such as Banking, Whitegate Refinery, Aer Lingus, All insurance companies and the entire telecommunications and media networks.
• The right to shoot and kill intruders on your private property.
• Irish citizenship to be granted only to Children of two Irish Citizen parents, all others to become Resident Aliens.

Citizen hello, welcome and to the Peoples Republic of China. Or, if this is the year 1940, welcome to Nazi Germany!

randylonghorn

Tchaikovsky wrote: »

He's a pornstar

No, that's me.

Hal1

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2009/0501/1224245748066.html

K-9

It's still a 32 county Country? Yes?

Peep O'Day

af_thefragile wrote: »

I'm sorry to say but you're misguided there. Obviously the Allied Atheist Aliance is the perfect answer to the great question!!

otter!!!:D

markopantelic

netwhizkid wrote: »

I believe that the Irish constitution should have new amendments made but not totally amended.

• We should reinstate the death penalty
• Make surrendering Irish sovereignty to the EU high treason thus facilitating our withdrawal
• Gun ownership should be made universal to Irish citizens, no citizen no gun
• No Taoiseach or President can rule for longer than 8 years and lower the presidency to 4 years and length of Government to 4 years. County Councils should have the authority to force a general election and there should be a poll every 2 years so if the people are not happy with the Government they can vote in the County Council elections knowing that a change of councils will facilitate a General Election.
• No non-Irish citizen allowed to vote in any poll, regardless of Council, Dail, Referendum or other.
• Our Neutrality needs to be enshrined further and control of our Borders taken back and the free movement of European citizens stopped, everyone should need a Visa to enter Ireland bar citizens of the Anglophone world such as the United States, United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand. Visa's to be granted only for Tourism and highly skilled labourers, first preference to the Anglophone world.
• Key Nationalisation of important industries such as Banking, Whitegate Refinery, Aer Lingus, All insurance companies and the entire telecommunications and media networks.
• The right to shoot and kill intruders on your private property.
• Irish citizenship to be granted only to Children of two Irish Citizen parents, all others to become Resident Aliens.

Honestly mate, I hope you don't take offence to this but I would absolutely love to break both your knee caps.

af_thefragile

Peep O'Day wrote: »

otter!!!:D

It sounds cooler and can be abbreviated as AAA. That totally rocks!! :pac:

Overheal

markopantelic wrote: »

Honestly mate, I hope you don't take offence to this but I would absolutely love to break both your knee caps.

Ah thats understandable: you are Jewish after all.

Morlar

markopantelic wrote: »

Honestly mate, I hope you don't take offence to this but I would absolutely love to break both your knee caps.

Wow. What kind of wierdo would would be offended by that.

AlmightyCushion

markopantelic wrote: »

Honestly mate, I hope you don't take offence to this but I would absolutely love to break both your knee caps.

You better believe that's a paddling banning.

dsmythy

Morlar wrote: »

Wow. What kind of wierdo would would be offended by that.

Someone who can't tell actual racists from people who just have opposite and legitimate views to said person.

Morlar

Vin Diesel said :

Honestly mate, I hope you don't take offence to this but I would absolutely love to break both your knee caps.

Originally Posted by Morlar View Post
Wow. What kind of wierdo would would be offended by that.

= Sarcasm.

RATM

dsmythy wrote: »

Diversity of opinion

More like utter political confusion

dsmythy

Morlar wrote: »

Vin Diesel said :

Honestly mate, I hope you don't take offence to this but I would absolutely love to break both your knee caps.

Originally Posted by Morlar View Post
Wow. What kind of wierdo would would be offended by that.

= Sarcasm.

I was refering to the guy getting "offended" by what the other guy said to make him say he was going to break his legs in the first place. Easy mistake.

Morlar

dsmythy wrote: »

I was refering to the guy getting "offended" by what the other guy said to make him say he was going to break his legs in the first place. Easy mistake.

I know what you meant.

Either way it's not cool to say you 'would absolutely love' to smash someone's kneecaps in because you dont like their politics. Regardless of whether you misunderstood them or read them correctly.

We are not all thugs here whether we agree politically or not, and that kind of lack of toleration by mr diesel is out of order whatever way you look at it.

markok84

I bet that Vin Diesel guy beats his wife too.

Rented Mule

Wait until the corproations/special interst groups hear that the entire Irish consititution is about to be amended.

They'll be able to buy as many politicians as they need to shape this new document into whatever they need.

The 'Bertie Train' will be right back on track.

banquo

netwhizkid wrote: »

I believe that the Irish constitution should have new amendments made but not totally amended.

• We should reinstate the death penalty
• Make surrendering Irish sovereignty to the EU high treason thus facilitating our withdrawal
• Gun ownership should be made universal to Irish citizens, no citizen no gun
• No Taoiseach or President can rule for longer than 8 years and lower the presidency to 4 years and length of Government to 4 years. County Councils should have the authority to force a general election and there should be a poll every 2 years so if the people are not happy with the Government they can vote in the County Council elections knowing that a change of councils will facilitate a General Election.
• No non-Irish citizen allowed to vote in any poll, regardless of Council, Dail, Referendum or other.
• Our Neutrality needs to be enshrined further and control of our Borders taken back and the free movement of European citizens stopped, everyone should need a Visa to enter Ireland bar citizens of the Anglophone world such as the United States, United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand. Visa's to be granted only for Tourism and highly skilled labourers, first preference to the Anglophone world.
• Key Nationalisation of important industries such as Banking, Whitegate Refinery, Aer Lingus, All insurance companies and the entire telecommunications and media networks.
• The right to shoot and kill intruders on your private property.
• Irish citizenship to be granted only to Children of two Irish Citizen parents, all others to become Resident Aliens.

there are the sort of ideas that get iron curtains built.

chosen1

netwhizkid wrote: »

I believe that the Irish constitution should have new amendments made but not totally amended.

• We should reinstate the death penalty
• Make surrendering Irish sovereignty to the EU high treason thus facilitating our withdrawal
• Gun ownership should be made universal to Irish citizens, no citizen no gun
• No Taoiseach or President can rule for longer than 8 years and lower the presidency to 4 years and length of Government to 4 years. County Councils should have the authority to force a general election and there should be a poll every 2 years so if the people are not happy with the Government they can vote in the County Council elections knowing that a change of councils will facilitate a General Election.
• No non-Irish citizen allowed to vote in any poll, regardless of Council, Dail, Referendum or other.
• Our Neutrality needs to be enshrined further and control of our Borders taken back and the free movement of European citizens stopped, everyone should need a Visa to enter Ireland bar citizens of the Anglophone world such as the United States, United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand. Visa's to be granted only for Tourism and highly skilled labourers, first preference to the Anglophone world.
• Key Nationalisation of important industries such as Banking, Whitegate Refinery, Aer Lingus, All insurance companies and the entire telecommunications and media networks.
• The right to shoot and kill intruders on your private property.
• Irish citizenship to be granted only to Children of two Irish Citizen parents, all others to become Resident Aliens.

With the no gun, no citizen bit; I'm hopeful that the whole post is a píss take. Wouldn't like to think that there are actually people out there with some of those views

slippy wicket

netwhizkid wrote: »

I believe that the Irish constitution should have new amendments made but not totally amended.

• We should reinstate the death penalty
• Make surrendering Irish sovereignty to the EU high treason thus facilitating our withdrawal
• Gun ownership should be made universal to Irish citizens, no citizen no gun
• No Taoiseach or President can rule for longer than 8 years and lower the presidency to 4 years and length of Government to 4 years. County Councils should have the authority to force a general election and there should be a poll every 2 years so if the people are not happy with the Government they can vote in the County Council elections knowing that a change of councils will facilitate a General Election.
• No non-Irish citizen allowed to vote in any poll, regardless of Council, Dail, Referendum or other.
• Our Neutrality needs to be enshrined further and control of our Borders taken back and the free movement of European citizens stopped, everyone should need a Visa to enter Ireland bar citizens of the Anglophone world such as the United States, United Kingdom, Australia and New Zealand. Visa's to be granted only for Tourism and highly skilled labourers, first preference to the Anglophone world.
• Key Nationalisation of important industries such as Banking, Whitegate Refinery, Aer Lingus, All insurance companies and the entire telecommunications and media networks.
• The right to shoot and kill intruders on your private property.
• Irish citizenship to be granted only to Children of two Irish Citizen parents, all others to become Resident Aliens.

God, someone has been reading too much Phillip K Dick.
I agree about the death penalty, but it should just be for politicians and pervert priests.

j1smithy

Sorry for being pedantic but you don't want to amend the constitution you want to totally rewrite it.

I don't think it needs a total revamp though, there are things in it which are quite sensible and I quite like. It is highly regarded in legal circles I believe as it was drafted by a lawyer to quote a post from another forum

"Overall, it is a very very well written constitution, and is very highly regarded. (Mandela's South Africa studied it as a model when drafting the current South African constitution. Numerous other states have used it as a model. De Valera's constitution is generally seen as superb and a model constitution, with de Gaulle's constitution in contrast seen as one of the worst drafted examples.)"

philologos

I don't get the point of ultimately revamping it. The 1937 Constitution whether or not some people think it's archaic has served the country rather well in several respects to this point. The only issue in it's execution is the judiciary interpreting it in ways by which it was never intended to be interpreted when it was drafted originally. However, I like the idea that the people always are consulted about potential constitutional changes and this provides more of a direct democratic system like they have in Switzerland. I would argue that more referendums could be a positive progression rather than a negative one.

Tigger

the irish constitution of ireland is fine
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the irish constitution of germany needs work