The "WTF do Newcastle do now?" thread.

Seaneh · 24-05-2009 5:01pm #1

Right.
Its over, they're gone.
What now?

who stays.
Who goes?
Who should be brought in?

Diabhal Beag · 24-05-2009 5:04pm

Owen, Viduka, Bassong will all go. Martins will be a bargain now. They can keep Duff if they want.

They'll be back up...................unfortunatley

joe123 · 24-05-2009 5:04pm

Who goes?

Owen,Martin,Collocini,Viduka,Gutierrez

Xavi6 · 24-05-2009 5:05pm

I think it's pretty straight forward tbh. They need to do the exact same thing City did - get in a good board (we had David Bernstein at the helm), cut the squad (we had over 50 professionals killing our wage bill and we cut have of them), get a few lower league pros in with the young lads (we mixed Morrison, Dickov, Goater with Weaver, Brown, Cooke).

It will take time to get back up but I firmly believe Newcastle will become a better club for this.

chopperbyrne · 24-05-2009 5:06pm

They're obviously a club who have not prepared for relegation so they could easily go the Man City route and end up being relegated again before they come back up, if ever.

Middlesbrough are in a much better position to come straight back up as they are a very well ran club.

I fully expect West Brom to come straight back up too.

Bounty Hunter · 24-05-2009 5:06pm

Gotta think they might have the biggest turnover of playing staff since Leeds went down and who knows if Shearer will stay on, if he doesent i wouldent be shocked to see Dowie get the main job despite just being assistant as they went down.

Martins, Owen, Bassong, Collocini, Guitterez will want out and a few more who are on big wages will be wanted out

PHB · 24-05-2009 5:06pm

Here's their squad:

Fabricio Coloccini
Nicky Butt
Damien Duff
Sebastien Bassong
Steven Taylor
Sanchez Jose Enrique
Jonás Gutiérrez
Habib Beye
Michael Owen
Obafemi Martins
Danny Guthrie
Shola Ameobi
Geremi
Kevin Nolan
Ryan Taylor
Peter Lövenkrands
Joey Barton
David Edgar
Mark Viduka
Andrew Carroll
Claudio Cacapa
Alan Smith
Xisco

bohsman · 24-05-2009 5:07pm

Think itll be good for them, cut a lot of dead wood and if Shearer wants the job a chance to cut his teeth in management in the championship like Keane did.

That_Guy · 24-05-2009 5:07pm

All this conversation has been said before in our superthread.

PHB · 24-05-2009 5:09pm

Owen will be done.

I'd expect Bassong, Nolan, Geremi, Owen, Gutiérrez, Enrique and Duff to certainly be looking to move on. I'd imagine there would be buyers for most of them. Duff is certainly an interesting player, who if the right manager took on could be a world class buy.
I'd imagine Coloccini will be pushed to be sold, but they might not find a buyer in England. I'd imagine he'll leave the PL.
Butt might get picked up by a newly promoted side, wouldn't be the worst signing.
Taylor may well be looked at by a lot of clubs, but he's a local lad.

I think though that Newcastle have the financial muscle to hold onto a couple of decent players. However I'd argue anyone over the age of 26 or so should be let go, too expensive to keep those players on.

Esse85 · 24-05-2009 5:10pm

Full of rubbish players

ITT-Pat · 24-05-2009 5:10pm

That_Guy wrote: »

All this conversation has been said before in our superthread.

Yeah but everyone know that topics like this and other gems such as "Should United Buy Kenwyn Jones?" need their own thread.

Xavi6 · 24-05-2009 5:11pm

That_Guy wrote: »

All this conversation has been said before in our superthread.

True, but I think this will attract a wider audience and interest now that it jas actually happened.

Be good to mix the opinions of Newcastle fans with some of us who have been through it before.

Mr Maroon · 24-05-2009 5:12pm

I can't see them bouncing back up TBH.

joe123 · 24-05-2009 5:12pm

Joey Barton....lol.

Any club who buys him deserves to go down.

That_Guy · 24-05-2009 5:13pm

As stated before a huge clearout is needed. Simple as.

Owen, Coloccini, Geremi, Cacapa etc have to go.

We were shocking this season. Our own fault and nobody elses.

Today's match culminates Newcastle's entire season. Spineless, no momentum and stragglers who do not want to play for this club.

ctrl-alt-delete · 24-05-2009 5:13pm

PHB wrote: »

Owen will be done.

Duff is certainly an interesting player, who if the right manager took on could be a world class buy.

Id take him back to Blackburn in an instant, don't think Sam would agree though.

Chucky the tree · 24-05-2009 5:15pm

PHB wrote: »

Here's their squad:

Fabricio Coloccini - Gone
Nicky Butt - Keep
Damien Duff - Gone
Sebastien Bassong - Try keep
Steven Taylor - Keep
Sanchez Jose Enrique
Jonás Gutiérrez - Have him put down
Habib Beye
Michael Owen - gone
Obafemi Martins - gone
Danny Guthrie - keep
Shola Ameobi - keep
Geremi - keep
Kevin Nolan - gone
Ryan Taylor - keep
Peter Lövenkrands - straight to the glue factory
Joey Barton - he'll be in prision again
David Edgar - Keep
Mark Viduka - gone
Andrew Carroll - keep
Claudio Cacapa - keep
Alan Smith - keep
Xisco- keep

Charles Insomnia is gone.

Aidric · 24-05-2009 5:18pm

Lol @ Chuckys post, completely agree. Wise orchestrated some comical transfers.

leninbenjamin · 24-05-2009 5:19pm

I fully expect them to go in the direction of Leeds. At the moment there is nobody in that club who has a clue, so it's not just a case of bringing in the right people (who's even capable of doing this there? Ashley? lol)

looking at their squad, they've got a fair few players on high wages they aren't going to be able to shift. they'll go to the brink, unless they get lucky.

Xavi6 · 24-05-2009 5:19pm

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Charles Insomnia is gone.

You'd keep Xisco and Ameobi but think Gutierrez should be 'put down'?

What. The. Fuck?

Esse85 · 24-05-2009 5:19pm

Geremi will not hang around.

eagle eye · 24-05-2009 5:19pm

joe123 wrote: »

Joey Barton....lol.

Any club who buys him deserves to go down.

I would take him at Blackburn in an instant. Big Sam is known for handling players with bad pasts and he gives 100% on the pitch every game.

Who do you support?

Raskolnikov · 24-05-2009 5:20pm

The problem for Newcastle is that they have an awful lot of awful players on ridiculous wages.

Michael Owen is on wages of £100k a week.
Damien Duff is on wages of £70k a week.
Joey Barton is on wages of £60k a week.
Mark Viduka is on wages of £60k a week.

Newcastle could easily be stuck with these misfits for next season.

ctrl-alt-delete · 24-05-2009 5:21pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I would take him at Blackburn in an instant. Big Sam is known for handling players with bad pasts and he gives 100% on the pitch every game.

Who do you support?

jaysis no, Barton shouldn't even be allowed play for a prison team

That_Guy · 24-05-2009 5:21pm

Esse85 wrote: »

Geremi will not hang around.

He shouldn't be allowed to hang around.

Raskolnikov · 24-05-2009 5:21pm

Xavi6 wrote: »

You'd keep Xisco and Ameobi but think Gutierrez should be 'put down'?

What. The. Fuck?

Even if they wanted to keep him, he's one of the few players who will be in demand.

JerryHandbag · 24-05-2009 5:22pm

Interesting to see who comes in for Owen, if indeed anyone will. So glad United didnt buy him 3 yrs ago.

Esse85 · 24-05-2009 5:23pm

JerryHandbag wrote: »

Interesting to see who comes in for Owen, if indeed anyone will. So glad United didnt buy him 3 yrs ago.

Some mid table team, Blackburn maybe.

eagle eye · 24-05-2009 5:24pm

Esse85 wrote: »

Some mid table team, Blackburn maybe.

Not a chance of us going for Owen, wages and lack of height make it not possible.

Chucky the tree · 24-05-2009 5:25pm

Xavi6 wrote: »

You'd keep Xisco and Ameobi but think Gutierrez should be 'put down'?

What. The. Fuck?

You wouldn't get cheeseburger in return for Xisco or Ameobi though so unless their on extremely high wages your better off keeping them, especially Ameobi who with his strength will be a solid championship player. Gutierrez would be a disaster in the championship.

That_Guy · 24-05-2009 5:25pm

eagle eye wrote: »

Not a chance of us going for Owen, wages and lack of height make it not possible.

And the fact that he's sh*t.

Esse85 · 24-05-2009 5:26pm

JerryHandbag wrote: »

Interesting to see who comes in for Owen, if indeed anyone will. So glad United didnt buy him 3 yrs ago.

tony1kenobi · 24-05-2009 5:28pm

JerryHandbag wrote: »

Interesting to see who comes in for Owen, if indeed anyone will. So glad United didnt buy him 3 yrs ago.

Probably Birmingham. I don't know who else would bother with him.

Seaneh · 24-05-2009 5:28pm

I could see Viduka staying at a low wage rather than going abroad tbh.
I also think that Ameobi and Carroll are good enough to do a good job in the championshp.

Owen will find it hard to get a club this summer after the last few months, so bad.

Duff is good enough for a premiership team and I could see the likes of Wigan/Fulham/Blacburn/Bolton and Volves/Brum being interested in him. Espically Wolves, Mick rates him highly.

Harper is a solid low level premiership/quality championship keeper so they are alright there.

In defence, if they can keep Beye, both Taylors, Edger, Enrique, and sign another good cb (Edger isn't good enough yet) and a good left full they will be ok.

In the middle people like Butt, Smith, Ryan Taylor (so versatile), Nolan, Guthrie and Geremi are all good enough and hard working enough to win a championship promotion spot, which of them will stay is the main problem.

If they Keep forwards like the 3 I mentioned before and maybe even Lovenkrads, whos pace would scare the living day lights out of a championship defence. Also, it might just be Xisco's level.

realistically I expect the following players to leave.

Colocinni
Nolan
Duff
Xisco
Enrique
Beye
Cacapa
Barton
Owen
Bassong
Gutierrez
Geremi
Lovenkrads (short contract I think?)
Guthrie
Viduka (contract up)
Martins

Which leaves only Harper, Kurl, S. Talyor, Butt, R. Taylor, Smith, Edgar, Carroll and Ameobi from their first team squad left and some players from the reserve team like Kádár, Tozar and Lualua. Not a bad starting block for a championship team and removes most of their problems this season and a lot of high wages.

They need to confirm a manager as soon as possible and let him start working on bringing in players and shifting un wanted players. but they have a decant shout.

Jazzy · 24-05-2009 5:28pm

but i thought they had that Santiago Munez player?

i for one will miss newcastle and the circus that surrounds them

Aidric · 24-05-2009 5:32pm

I can see McCarthy coming in for Duff.

Chucky the tree · 24-05-2009 5:33pm

Seaneh wrote: »

I could see Viduka staying at a low wage rather than going abroad tbh.
.

Isnt in retiring and going to hit the beaches back home is Aus? I certainly cant see him sticking around in Newcastle to spend the season get the legs kicked off him at places like scunthurpe, doncaster, plymouth etc

Raskolnikov · 24-05-2009 5:35pm

Seaneh wrote: »

I could see Viduka staying at a low wage rather than going abroad tbh.

There's no way I can see him staying at Newcastle on low wages. One of the promoted or bottom half teams would take him.

Seaneh wrote: »

Duff is good enough for a premiership team and I could see the likes of Wigan/Fulham/Blacburn/Bolton and Volves/Brum being interested in him. Espically Wolves, Mick rates him highly.

He's on £70k a week and contracted until 2011. I can see him doing a Gary Kelly on this.

Seaneh wrote: »

If they Keep forwards like the 3 I mentioned before and maybe even Lovenkrads, whos pace would scare the living day lights out of a championship defence. Also, it might just be Xisco's level.

Whatever about Lovenkrands being quick before, we've seen precious little of his pace this season.

OPENROAD · 24-05-2009 5:37pm

Aidric wrote: »

I can see McCarthy coming in for Duff.

Agree, not sure it would be a good move by Big Mick though.

Seaneh · 24-05-2009 5:37pm

Don't think duff will stay just collect a wage cheque, he actually gives a **** about his career, he will leave if he gets a chance. Also, Newcastle will probably agree to pay him off like Leeds did with Fowler.

joe123 · 24-05-2009 5:39pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I would take him at Blackburn in an instant. Big Sam is known for handling players with bad pasts and he gives 100% on the pitch every game.

Who do you support?

I cant believe that. Youd actually be happy to help pay that scumbags wages?

I support Liverpool your in the Liverpool forum a fair bit thought ya might of seen me on about them! Why?

Fromvert · 24-05-2009 5:39pm

Well the owner wont sell now, wont get near the money he wanted or needs. So he is better off investing £20m into the club to get them back up and then he can sell it.
Can see Carroll/Ameobi being a pretty decent strikeforce in the Championship. Well Joey Barton said he'll stay if thats a bonus. I hope they come back up.

mcwhirter · 24-05-2009 5:42pm

I for one won't miss the magpies, they deserve to be relegated, absolute rubbish.

Mikeyt086 · 24-05-2009 5:44pm

Jazzy wrote: »

but i thought they had that Santiago Munez player?

No...

He went to Real Madrid along with Gavin Harris in GOAL 2: Living The Dream.

eagle eye · 24-05-2009 5:46pm

Seaneh wrote: »

Don't think duff will stay just collect a wage cheque, he actually gives a **** about his career, he will leave if he gets a chance. Also, Newcastle will probably agree to pay him off like Leeds did with Fowler.

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Damien Duff loves money, and I'm not giving out about him but he does love money.

As far as his career is concerned, he does try his best all the time but he is unlikely to be picked up by a team contending for honours so I think money will be a big factor in where he goes if he does leave.

eagle eye · 24-05-2009 5:49pm

joe123 wrote: »

I cant believe that. Youd actually be happy to help pay that Joey Barton's wages?

I support Liverpool your in the Liverpool forum a fair bit thought ya might of seen me on about them! Why?

I would be happy to have a midfielder of his quality. We badly need one and his past is not whats important. If the man has put it behind him as I believe he has done, then its about football and nothing else and the guy is top class in fairness on the field.

Running Bing · 24-05-2009 5:51pm

Players ought to be ashamed. Everybody is going on now like they are a team of sh1t players (Jamie Redknapp was saying they are not even good enough to win promotion from the championship) but imo its more of an attitude/belief problem than a quality one.

Owen, Viduka, Duff, Harper, Butt, Martins, Coloccini and Gutteriez are all good players imo and much better than what teams like Sunderland, Hull, Boro and West Brom have.

Seaneh · 24-05-2009 5:52pm

eagle eye wrote: »

You don't have a clue what you are talking about. Damien Duff loves money, and I'm not giving out about him but he does love money.

As far as his career is concerned, he does try his best all the time but he is unlikely to be picked up by a team contending for honours so I think money will be a big factor in where he goes if he does leave.

WTF are you ****ing on about now?

I said he won't stay with a championship club just to collect a big wage cheque, I didn't say he'd sign for wolves for 10k a week.

Cop the **** on.

I also said that newcastle will probably pay him off like leeds had to do with a lot of their high earners when they were relegated to reduce their insane wage bill.
I think newcastle will have to do it with several players!

Damien Duff will not willingly play Championship football just because he could make slightly more money out of it.

FACT.

Now, pipe down and stfu.

joe123 · 24-05-2009 5:55pm

eagle eye wrote: »

I would be happy to have a midfielder of his quality. We badly need one and his past is not whats important. If the man has put it behind him as I believe he has done, then its about football and nothing else and the guy is top class in fairness on the field.

Yeah but how many times has he "put it behind him". There are other footballers out there as good as him whod play for blackburn.

eagle eye · 24-05-2009 5:55pm

joe123 wrote: »

I cant believe that. Youd actually be happy to help pay that Joey Barton's wages?

I support Liverpool your in the Liverpool forum a fair bit thought ya might of seen me on about them! Why?

I would be happy to have a midfielder of his quality. We badly need one and his past is not whats important. If the man has put it behind him as I believe he has done, then its about football and nothing else and the guy is top class in fairness on the field.

I didn't know you were a Liverpool, if you supported a team that wasn't in the top four then Joey Barton would certainly be an improvement on your midfield.

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