science experiment folder

evansmiley

i dont have all the experiments written up and have lost lost my folder.should i re write them or just hope the examiner doesnt check the folder, and only check the course worl booklet?is there a date you need to have it done by?

Monsieur Folie

Just to be safe I would advise you to rewrite them. In all likelihood it will be checked, and it's worth about 60% of your grade, so it would be a massive blow to lose that much.

evansmiley

I'm fairly sure it's only worth 10 %. And if it is most likely going to be checked, whats the point of filling out the course work b booklet, ticking the boxes to say you have written up all the experiments?

Monsieur Folie

In my school they make a book for us to fill out all the experiments and the checklist is at the front. I didn't realize most places used a folder.

Still though, my teacher said 60%. Perhaps she was mistaken.

evansmiley

well what happens in our school is that you write up all the mandatory experiments in a folder under the headings title, date, apparatus, procedure, diagram, results and conclusion. the department then gives you a green booklet where you fill out the 2 investigations(worth 25%), and you also tick a checklist to say you have done and written up all the mandatory experiments. then on the day of the exam with everything else you hand up all the written experiments. Then if the examiner wants, he/she can check to see if you really wrote them up by checking your folder, but our teacher said they rarely, if ever actually check the folder, that they just check the booklet to see which ones you ticked.

animalcrazy

I wouldn't rewrite them, it is only worth 10% and it is very rare that they check it, you have enought to be worrying about now so close to the exams then writing up experiments.

spurious

From the Syllabus:
2.2 Structure of the Assessment in Junior Certificate Science
The prescribed assessment structure consists of three components:
1. Coursework A
2. Coursework B
3. The Written Examination
The total marks allocated will be 600.

These 600 marks will be allocated as follows:
Coursework A will have an allocation of 60 marks (10%),
Coursework B will have an allocation of 150 marks (25%),
and the terminal written examination will have an allocation of 390 marks (65%).

Monsieur Folie

spurious wrote: »

From the Syllabus:
2.2 Structure of the Assessment in Junior Certificate Science
The prescribed assessment structure consists of three components:
1. Coursework A
2. Coursework B
3. The Written Examination
The total marks allocated will be 600.

These 600 marks will be allocated as follows:
Coursework A will have an allocation of 60 marks (10%),
Coursework B will have an allocation of 150 marks (25%),
and the terminal written examination will have an allocation of 390 marks (65%).

Oh, I apologise. My teacher had actually rounded off the figures saying 60 for the test and 40 for the experiments.

spurious

The coursework is worth doing, no matter what the likelihood of it being checked. It's the foundation the Leaving Cert. science subjects will be built on. Cutting corners this early is not a good strategy.

6stringmaniac

Whats all this about a folder??
I never had any sort of a folder for science.
We have a lab copy where we write up all our mandatory experiments, be we are told that they arent checked at all or sent in to the examiner. I know for a fact that I am missing some.
In the booklet where you write out youre coursework B experiments, there was a checklist of mandatory experiments at the start and we were told to just tick them all. We have done them all in class but Im not sure I have them all fully taken down.

Monsieur Folie

6stringmaniac wrote: »

Whats all this about a folder??
I never had any sort of a folder for science.
We have a lab copy where we write up all our mandatory experiments, be we are told that they arent checked at all or sent in to the examiner. I know for a fact that I am missing some.
In the booklet where you write out youre coursework B experiments, there was a checklist of mandatory experiments at the start and we were told to just tick them all. We have done them all in class but Im not sure I have them all fully taken down.

We've a green lab book too. Some school write 'em up in a folder instead.

Delphi91

6stringmaniac wrote: »

Whats all this about a folder??
I never had any sort of a folder for science.
We have a lab copy where we write up all our mandatory experiments, be we are told that they arent checked at all or sent in to the examiner. I know for a fact that I am missing some.
In the booklet where you write out youre coursework B experiments, there was a checklist of mandatory experiments at the start and we were told to just tick them all. We have done them all in class but Im not sure I have them all fully taken down.

It can be a folder, a lab notebook or any other form of recording the experiments - it will vary from school to school and doesn't really matter at the end of the day as long as you have some means of recording the experiments (some schools even use pre-printed books and just fill in the data).

As for your teacher telling you that "they aren't checked at all or sent in to the examiner" - that's a very dangerous assumption to make. While it is true that the school is not required to send them in, they are required to have them available in the school should the examiner decide to do a check - in fact the school is obliged to keep them until after the period of re-checks is over, usually late September. Be under no illusions, the dept WILL check a sample set of experiment copies/folders each year to verify that they are being done. Otherwise, what would be the point of asking you to verify that you had done them? Your teacher would do well to remember that he/she also signs the document stating that you have completed the experiments.

As for not having them all completed, well then you get a proportion of the 10%. You are required to have 8/10 physics, 8/10 chemistry and 8/10 biology experiments completed (i.e. 24 experiments in total). If you only have half of them completed, you will only get a max of 5%, etc. But make sure that you only tick off the ones that you have done, not them all (if you haven't) - falsifying documents would not go down too well with the Dept.

jumpguy

Our teacher told us that we didn't have to hand them up, just make sure they're done. When do we have to hand them in, the day of the exam or before them or what? I have 2 lab copies. :rolleyes:

partyatmygaff

They have to be left in the school till the exams are over. Your not allowed keep them during exams same way your not allowed keep woodwork projects etc.

Delphi91

jumpguy wrote: »

Our teacher told us that we didn't have to hand them up, just make sure they're done. When do we have to hand them in, the day of the exam or before them or what? I have 2 lab copies. :rolleyes:

Well, ideally the school should have some system in place so that they can be collected - it is often the science teacher who does it or maybe the exam secretary, etc.

It doesn't matter how m,any copies you have - the issue is that they need to be available for the examiner should he/she decide to do a spot check to verify that your claim to have completed the experiments is actually correct.

6stringmaniac

Delphi91 wrote: »

As for your teacher telling you that "they aren't checked at all or sent in to the examiner" - that's a very dangerous assumption to make. While it is true that the school is not required to send them in, they are required to have them available in the school should the examiner decide to do a check - in fact the school is obliged to keep them until after the period of re-checks is over, usually late September. Be under no illusions, the dept WILL check a sample set of experiment copies/folders each year to verify that they are being done. Otherwise, what would be the point of asking you to verify that you had done them? Your teacher would do well to remember that he/she also signs the document stating that you have completed the experiments.

If we ticked it to say we had them alll done, but werent actually all written up, couldthat be considered cheating?

evansmiley

well i actually did the experiments, and the thing you tick is to say you did the experiments, isn't it??

GirlsAloud

Our teacher gave us a deadline and said they had to be in by then.. and if they weren't she wasn't signing for them.. But she said it's okay if you miss a few out. (maybe 4 or 5) and she said that they're left in the school until somebody comes and checks them.. But they hardly ever come.. But they have been known to. So it's best to have them in.

Delphi91

6stringmaniac wrote: »

If we ticked it to say we had them alll done, but werent actually all written up, couldthat be considered cheating?

I'm not sure that it would be considered "cheating", but it could be considered as an attempt to gain marks that you were not entitled to.

I would imagine (and it's only my opinion and not based on fact) that if a spot check were done, and it was found that you had ticked "All experiments done" while not having any done, you would not be allocated any marks. The school would undoubtedly be asked to explain the anomaly.

I would imagine that your teacher who signed off on you having them done might be in a spot of bother as a result!