Velib like bicycle rental kiosks are being constructed in Dublin

kona

el tonto wrote: »

According to the map Ken provided, there are 14 stations north of the Liffey and 16 south of it, so no great inequality there.

Kona, instead of ranting, could you provide a link to where the advertising panels are located? I can find no breakdown of where exactly each one is. It would be useful to know what you're basing your assertions on.

Provide a link? there is no link. Im basing my assertions on the fact that I pass these things everyday, and the whole reason they are there pisses me off,

1) we got shafted

2) Its of no benefit to cycling IMO.

The only winner is JCdecaux, the only loser is the people of dublin, the biggest loser is the people living in DCC.

Paris is a good prediction of where this will go.

kenmc

kona wrote: »

babble babble babble

- DCC has made a deal with JCD to provide bikes in the DCC area in exchange for advertising in the DCC area. That's why there are no ads, nor bikes for that matter, in DLRCC, Fingal, Cork, Kerry, Waterford, Limerick, Galway nor any of the other local authority areas throughout the country.

- So you think that to allow anyone (Northsiders, Southsiders, Non-Dubliners hell even visiting tourists ) to use the bikes, the ads (which you have clearly admitted are eyesores, and I don't think anyone here will disagree with either) should be distributed where - throughout the country? Throughout the world in case someone visiting from Chile has access to use a bike without having had to see an ad in their country? Get a grip.

- Not usually one to pay any attention to advertising anyway, I can only recall seeing the odd couple; one outside the bleeding horse, one or two along wexford street I think, probably one or 2 at stephens green - as I said I don't pay any attention to advertising anyway. Likewise I don't remember seeing any when I've been north of the Liffey either.

- The placement of an ad does not prevent anyone from somewhere not immediately from the vicinity of that ad from viewing it. People from Blackrock or Howth or any of the 'upper class' areas will still see the ads whenever they are in the DCC area (unless of course they are like me and don't see ads anyway).

-If you don't like seeing the ads around where you live, MOVE.

Chips Lovell

kona wrote: »

Provide a link? there is no link. Im basing my assertions on the fact that I pass these things everyday, and the whole reason they are there pisses me off,

1) we got shafted

2) Its of no benefit to cycling IMO.

Hang on, so you don't actually know if the northside got the majority of the signs?

kona

el tonto wrote: »

Hang on, so you don't actually know if the northside got the majority of the signs?

I do know, I havnt seen one on the South , but ive seen plenty on the north.

Since it hasnt been released where they are its impossible to be 100% thats why I asked the DCC rep.

kona

kenmc wrote: »

babble babble babble

How about they move the ****ing signs and put them beside you?

Why should I move?

I cannot see your argument, if the bikes are for the people of dubling, then the ads are for the people of dublin

NOT

the people of the northside.

If you think that it should only be placed on the nothside then you would have no issues with all the bikes located in Coolock, Ballymun, Darndale, Raheny, Clontarf, and a handful in the city?

Because if you Put a % of bikes to a % of signs , the majority wouldnt be located on the southside and thats a fact.

Chips Lovell

kona wrote: »

I do know, I havnt seen one on the South , but ive seen plenty on the north.

Since it hasnt been released where they are its impossible to be 100% thats why I asked the DCC rep.

Unless you've either access to the figures or have gone out and counted all 120 yourself, you've been making an argument based on nothing.

Seriously dude, try and get your facts in order before you go off on a mad one.

Lumen

TinyExplosions wrote: »

Boards spin on Velibs anyone!?

OK, I'm so fixated by the brilliance of this suggestion that my default position of cynical ambivalence has just melted away for a while.

Velibs! Cool!

Chips Lovell

Lumen wrote: »

OK, I'm so fixated by the brilliance of this suggestion that my default position of cynical ambivalence has just melted away for a while.

Velibs! Cool!

Yup, I'm totally up for that.

kenmc

kona wrote: »

How about they move the ****ing signs and put them beside you?

Why should I move?

How do you know there aren't any beside me?
If you don't like the environment in which you live, then moving is a logical solution to the problem. If you don't want to move, then clearly you're not really that bothered by it after all.

Lumen

el tonto wrote: »

Yup, I'm totally up for that.

Kippure TT, Round 2?

kona

kenmc wrote: »

How do you know there aren't any beside me?
If you don't like the environment in which you live, then moving is a logical solution to the problem. If you don't want to move, then clearly you're not really that bothered by it after all.

My rant has more got to do with how there is a disproportionate allocation of resources between north and south of the liffey. With a sub plot of the fact that Im very pissed off at how badly jcdecaux has RAPED dcc with this.

Im not going to move, I cant stand the D4 accent.

DCC_Cycling (Elaine)

DCC_Cycling (Elaine) wrote: »

Hi all,

We're working on a new cycling web site for Dublin City at the moment but thought this information may be valuable to pop up as the new site won't be live for 2-3 weeks. When it is we'll post the address here too.

http://www.dublinbikes.ie is JCDecaux's web site specifically for the City Bikes scheme itself.

NOTE: This post was also published over here but we felt it was good to post it in Cycling too and checked with the moderators before we did so

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CityBikes scheme
The scheme will provide 40 public bike stations around the city with 450 bikes available for general public use! The network of stations will extend from the Mater Hospital in the north to the Grand Canal in the south and from Smithfield in the west to the IFSC and North Docklands in the east.



City-goers will be able to collect a bike from any station and return it to any station on the network e.g. you could collect a bike from a station on Talbot Street and return it to a station at Stephens Green or vice versa. The cost of installation, management and maintenance of the bikes and their stations (including replacing and repairing the bikes) will be covered by JC Decaux. JC Decaux have agreed to provide the bikes as part of an Outdoor Advertising and public Amenities contract with Dublin City Council.

The dublinbikes scheme will operate between 5am and 12.30am, 7 days a week. An automated card machine will be located at each station where users can either use a smartcard (members) or a credit card (non-members) to take out a bike. Bikers who wish to sign up for a smartcard will pay an annual subscription fee of just €10, while occasional dublinbike users may prefer to pay a small charge (€2 for 3 days) for the use of the bikes. Once removed from any station, the bikes can be used for up to 30 minutes free of charge, with a relatively low charge per hour of rental thereafter (e.g. 0-30mins = free, 30-60mins = €0.50, 60-90mins = €1, etc). The bikes cannot be taken out using cash.

Locations of the ‘dublinbike’ stations:

You can see a mockup here Attachment not found.

1. Chatham Street
2. Blessington Street
3. Bolton Street
4. Greek Street
5. Charlemont Place
6. Christchurch Place
7. High Street
8. Custom House Quay
9. Exchequer Street
10. Dame Street
11. Earlsfort Terrace
12. Eccles Street
13. Fitzwilliam Square West
14. Fownes Street Upper
15. Hardwiche Street
16. Georges Quay
17. Golden Lane
18. Grantham Street
19. Herbert Place
20. James Street East
21. Leinster Street South
22. Townsend Street
23. Custom House
24. Cathal Brugha Street
25. Merrion Square East
26. Merrion Square West
27. Molesworth Street
28. Mountjoy Square West
29. Ormond Quay Upper
30. Parnell Square North
31. Parnell Street
32. Pearse Street
33. Princes Street North/ O’ Connell Street
34. Portobello Harbour
35. Smithfield
36. St. Stephens Green East
37. St. Stephens Green South
38. Talbot Street
39. Wilton Terrace
40. Jervis Street


FAQs

Do I have to return my bike to the same station I got it from?
No. The bikes can be taken from/returned to any station on the network.

Can I pay by cash?
Unfortunately no. The cards offer security so that if a situation arises whereby a user does not return their bike after use they will be charged. Cash does not offer the same security and could lead to a small percentage of users abusing the scheme.

How much does the scheme cost?
10 euro per year for membership or 2 euro for 3 days. It is then free to use the bikes for the first half hour, 0.50 euro for the next half hour(i.e. 0.50 euro for an hour), 1 euro from 60-90 mins(i.e. 1.50 euro for an hour and a half), and 2 euro from 90-120 mins(i.e. 3.50 euro for 2 hours)

Why is it more expensive for longer durations?
We wish to encourage short-term use of the bikes so that there will be more bikes available to as many people as possible. In other cities there has been a high turnover of bike usage e.g each bike in the velib scheme (in Paris) is used on average 8 times a day.

What’s to stop somebody else taking a bike using my details while I’m still at the ticket machine?
Each bike stand will be numbered. Once you have selected your bike there will be a time delay before the bike is released from its stand. This will give you a chance to walk from the ticket machine to the bike before the bike is unlocked.

Why is there no bike station at Heuston Station?
In order for the scheme to work, the bike stations must be ideally no further than 300m apart. This will ensure that in the unlikely event of a bike station being full, users will not have far to travel to the next nearest station. Heuston station serves many commuters and therefore it is likely many users would arrive at the station at approximately the same time (evening rush hour peak) on bikes taken out from a number of different stations. If the bike station at Heuston were full and there wasn’t a sufficient number of bike stations nearby to accommodate the user, users would be likely to miss their train. This would put many people off using the service.

It is predicted that the usage of the service at Heuston would be such that a high concentration of stations would be required in the vicinity and furthermore on the approach from the city centre (every 300m) for the scheme to work effectively. Given that there are 450 bikes overall, this would spread the scheme quite finely, with core areas in the city centre suffering as a result.

If the scheme proves to be a success, it is likely the scheme will be extended to a ‘phase 2’ which will include Heuston station and other areas outside the city centre core.

What should I do if I get a puncture en route?
Don’t worry - punctures happen from general wear and tear and you won’t be charged if your bike gets a puncture. Just drop the bike back to the nearest station. A number of service vehicles will travel to and from each station regularly with staff carrying out general repairs on the bikes.



Elaine

Hi Elaine,

Thanks for the post. Two not very urgent questions:

1) Will there be more places to park your bike than bikes in the city centre? I'm asking because I'd imagine a big demand on the Velib parking spaces in the centre of town first thing in the morning with people cycling in. I know I'd prefer to cycle into town using one of these if there was no risk of my bike being robbed!

2) The scheme ends at 12:30am. Does this mean I've to return the bike by 12:30am, or can I return it at any time?

Cheers,

Dónal

blorg

el tonto wrote: »

Yup, I'm totally up for that.

We would have to break it up into 30 minute segments or it could get pricey. Hmm, I wonder what we could do around the city with short hops between stops.

Chips Lovell

kona wrote: »

My rant has more got to do with how there is a disproportionate allocation of resources between north and south of the liffey.

But you haven't proved at all there is a disproportionate allocation. Why should anyone take you seriously?

kona

el tonto wrote: »

Unless you've either access to the figures or have gone out and counted all 120 yourself, you've been making an argument based on nothing.

Seriously dude, try and get your facts in order before you go off on a mad one.

While i agree with you, Im quite certain the majority are N.side if you consider that most of DCC is N.side, this coupled with the fact ive only seen them on N.side, makes me fairly confident.

Personally I dont want any of it, the bikes or the ads. There is cheaper better ways, which wont end up with us having no bikes, and a heap of ads.

If its being run by DCC its ****ed before it even starts, unfortunatley time is the only thing that will prove this.

Jawgap

Lumen wrote: »

Kippure TT, Round 2?

Would that not be a bit expensive given the hire costs - although a TT around the city might interesting - Heuston to the Point (O2) and back again.

kona

el tonto wrote: »

But you haven't proved at all there is a disproportionate allocation. Why should anyone take you seriously?

Dont expect people to, untill ive proof. Im just putting forward my view and my opinion, and Would most of the people posting here live in DCC regions?

TinyExplosions

kona wrote: »

Dont expect people to, untill ive proof. Im just putting forward my view and my opinion, and Would most of the people posting here live in DCC regions?

A fair few would, myself and Tonto included!

Lumen

Jawgap wrote: »

Would that not be a bit expensive given the hire costs - although a TT around the city might interesting - Heuston to the Point (O2) and back again.

Good point. It's a shame there isn't a reasonable half-day rate, although I understand the reasons.

kona

TinyExplosions wrote: »

A fair few would, myself and Tonto included!

How do you feel about it? as regards to the N.side getting the ads and the S.side getting the bikes.

Chips Lovell

kona wrote: »

Would most of the people posting here live in DCC regions?

I live slap bang in the middle of town, where there's a lot of signs both north and south of the Liffey.

Nietzschean

kona wrote: »

How do you feel about it? as regards to the N.side getting the ads and the S.side getting the bikes.

So your mad because DCC put the bikes where they will get the most use (both inner city south and north), and put the ads where they will get seen the most by vehicular traffic(within the area they control i.e. m50/malahide) ? So being, i dunno, logical about the whole thing is bad, they should bow to your sense of fairness or something?

kona

Nietzschean wrote: »

Yeah you won't see any of the bikes there either? i think you picked terrible places to have some sort of random principled stand. By your view the inner city should get the bikes but because other people can visit there the adverts should go everywhere? Isn't that something like we should pay english road tax incase we go over there with a car?

No but if you buy petrol you contribute.

There should be less ads, equally distributed.

Stark

kona wrote: »

No but if you buy petrol you contribute.

Just as someone visiting DCC contributes by seeing the ads.

I live in northside DCC btw.

kona

Nietzschean wrote: »

So your mad because DCC put the bikes where they will get the most use (both inner city south and north), and put the ads where they will get seen the most by vehicular traffic(m50/malahide) ? So being, i dunno, logical about the whole thing is bad, they should bow to your sense of fairness or something?

Logically there is more money on the southside Yes? this means more disposable income yes? so if a company wants to sell a product, advertising it to people with lots of disposable income is what they would want to do.

Nietzschean

kona wrote: »

No but if you buy petrol you contribute.

Thats a wonderful point you raise, so by joining as a member and paying rental fee's everyone contributes to the bike thing. People in the area who's council inacted the scheme(and hence will probably get most benefit) pay somewhat more(in this case via the adverts).

kona

Nietzschean wrote: »

Thats a wonderful point you raise, so by joining as a member and paying rental fee's everyone contributes to the bike thing. People in the area who's council inacted the scheme(and hence will probably get most benefit) pay somewhat more(in this case via the adverts).

give me one point how the people of DCC will benefit more.


450bikes >! revenue from 120 ad spaces

Nietzschean

kona wrote: »

Logically there is more money on the southside Yes? this means more disposable income yes? so if a company wants to sell a product, advertising it to people with lots of disposable income is what they would want to do.

Where are you classing as southside for these purposes? Blackrock? Dalkey? it all seems a bit vague...

kona

Stark wrote: »

Just as someone visiting DCC contributes by seeing the ads.

I live in northside DCC btw.

Then but them on the south side and let us view them while we visit?

kona

Nietzschean wrote: »

Where are you classing as southside for these purposes? Blackrock? Dalkey? it all seems a bit vague...

Anywhere not DCC:rolleyes: