latin

conchubhar1

why does every single book, in an academic context anyway, feel the need to put at least one ****ing latin phrase in

have to go of an feckin find the meaning then

minidazzler

Because anything good someone can think of to say has been sead by someone else before. But they said it in Latin.

Veni Vidi Vici.

conchubhar1

no i have no problem with qoutes - or carpie diem and the likes
or a problem with latin per se


but when im reading a book, i dont want to have to use a dictionary just for the sake of putting in a latin word that no one ****ing knows and deffo doesnt use at all at all

RonMexico

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IIAdHEwiAy8

minidazzler

conchubhar1 wrote: »

no i have no problem with qoutes - or carpie diem and the likes
or a problem with latin per se


but when im reading a book, i dont want to have to use a dictionary just for the sake of putting in a latin word that no one ****ing knows and deffo doesnt use at all at all

OK, Use Google.

conchubhar1

readin a book

get up and go to a comp - just cos some pretentious prick decides to shove in a latin phrase - why?

The_Minister

Because Latin was the main universal language of scholars for years, and some phrases were coined in Latin, and remain in Latin.

Most academics know a bit of latin, as do a surprising amount of the laity.

conchubhar1

yes it was the academic language for years

but if your writing a book in english, or irish for that matter, dont throw in random words that arent common

some words i have no problem with

ante bellum, carpe diem etc etc

The_Minister

Donatio Mortis Causa?

Very common phrase in law - do you object to that?

conchubhar1

if lawyers know it and are thought it no bother


i object to lesser know latin used, for no reason but for the fact its latin

minidazzler

Generally them phrases will be of no real consequence to the text though, so there is no need to get riled up about it.

The_Minister

conchubhar1 wrote: »

if lawyers know it and are thought it no bother


i object to lesser know latin used, for no reason but for the fact its latin

Give us an example then.

conchubhar1

cant think one of the head - off college for the summer only doing light reading so dont have any books that would use them

again id like to emphasis like i said before

ante bellum, carpe diem and veni,vidi,vici and a few others are known by most

minidazzler

conchubhar1 wrote: »

cant think one of the head - off college for the summer only doing light reading so dont have any books that would use them

again id like to emphasis like i said before

ante bellum, carpe diem and veni,vidi,vici and a few others are known by most

But there are other one's that would be widely known in the academic field that is being studied, hence they are included.

conchubhar1

some ye ^
most no

randylonghorn

conchubhar1 wrote: »

readin a book

get up and go to a comp - just cos some pretentious prick decides to shove in a latin phrase - why?

Meh ... labor omnia vincit! :rolleyes:

conchubhar1

work all around the vicinity

??????

random guess

randylonghorn

No, I wasn't suggesting you become a streetwalker! :pac:

It means "hard work will conquer all" ...

... or in the context of this thread "go look it up, duuuude!!"

conchubhar1

cool, thught vincit was vacinity

labor and omnia are farely obvious

randylonghorn

Ok, serious answer, in fairness.

You're right and you're wrong.

Yes, sometimes people throw in a Latin or Greek word or tag just to show off.

But sometimes they do it because that word or phrase has become associated with a whole deeper meaning than just its literal translation.

Legal phrases are a good example of this. Others are common in discussions of history, politics, philosophy, literature, etc.

They allow the author to take a short-cut, to refer to a particular concept or understanding, or perhaps to a discussion or argument which may have been going on since classical times.

x in the city

nil satis, nisi optimum.


[Im fluent, me]

banquo

Fessa sum, tbh.

What? You didn't take it upon yourself to learn a bit of latin? Well, you're obviously not a colossal nerd like myself then.

wudangclan

latin? meh.
it'll never take off.

Mr.Lizard

Why do all these webpages have html in them?

Pherekydes

The_Minister wrote: »

Donatio Mortis Causa?

Very common phrase in law - do you object to that?

I'll bet he doesn't object to:

The_Minister wrote: »

Give us an example then.

e.g. i.e. etc.

QED

Snowie

what importance does latan hold ?

wudangclan

Snow-Monkey wrote: »

what importance does latan hold ?

as the roman empire was spread throughout europe,latin is the basis most european languages including our very own gaelige.




contentious

Snowie

wudangclan wrote: »

as the roman empire was spread throughout europe,latin is the basis most european languages including our very own gaelige.




contentious

Bloody Roman's :pac:

conchubhar1

irish didnt decend from latin

that is wrong

Poor Uncle Tom

Let's not forget the Latin Mass which was said in all Catholic Churchs up until the 1970's and was thought in some secondary schools till the mid 1970's also.

conchubhar1

but stop being spoken widely 1000 years ago, or so give or take a few hundred

Poor Uncle Tom

Ok, but the Mass is a prayer and when it's repeated over and over again for years it can be learned off almost, no matter what language. I remember my dad and mam could extrapolate sentences and speak to each other in Latin, for a then teenager it was inspiring.

conchubhar1

okay

from books in irish and english, random latin phrases are pointless and even conter productive tho

galah

nope, it gives people who were subjected to Latin for 7 years in school a warm and fuzzy feeling inside if they don't have to look stuff up.



(seriously, do you learn no other languages in Irish schools (apart from Irish, which is badly taught so noone speaks it, really)? We had to learn English, Latin, and French. On top of German.)

WindSock

Quid quid latinus dictum sit altum videteur.

everything said in latin sounds profound.

I memorised it some years back but it may not be right

It wasn't me!

Latin's great. I get a great fuzzy feeling every time I come across a phrase (history student) and get to watch the peasants run off for their dictionaries while I light my pipe, push my glasses to the end of my nose and quietly translate it to myself.

conchubhar1

galah wrote: »

(seriously, do you learn no other languages in Irish schools (apart from Irish, which is badly taught so noone speaks it, really)?

''no one speaks it''
code word for anti irish sentiments - sick of its prominence on boards at this satge



this isnt about latin - its baout the random and useless latin phrases thrown in that the normal student will not know already - saves no time just looks better (more academic to them)

It wasn't me!

It's the language of academia. You get used to it. As already stated, it tends to be used to refer to principles and the like anyway. An author can simply use the term cuius regno, eius religio in reference, rather than "the principle by which the religious tendencies of a reigning monarch in a reformation-era German principality dictate the prevailing religious tendencies of the territory under his control." It's for brevity's sake in a lot of instances, and to make concise points.

conchubhar1

again - missing my point

ive stated some latin terms in qoutes and for most history terms - acceptable they get to the point and are well known

when i am reading an english or irish book - there is no need for a latin hrase thrown in - it adds nothing and is just plain annoying

was the language of academia - btb

It wasn't me!

Sometimes it does add something, given the broad range of interpretations and significances of Latin phrases, particularly those that have thousands of years of interpretations and significances attributed to them.

conchubhar1

yes, i have no problem with those

but there are phrases used, when looked up - mean little and added nothing to the article or chapter etc

Earthhorse

The_Minister wrote: »

Most academics know a bit of latin, as do a surprising amount of the laity.

I hear some of them are able to add now as welll!

The_Minister wrote: »

Donatio Mortis Causa?

Very common phrase in law - do you object to that?

Nah. Though I have to say Leonardo was my favourite turtle.

greendom

conchubhar1 wrote: »

irish didnt decend from latin

that is wrong

Well it's as grammatically complicated as latin, that's for sure

greendom

conchubhar1 wrote: »

okay

from books in irish and english, random latin phrases are pointless and even conter productive tho

I suppose that would depend on the author's intention in using them

wudangclan

conchubhar1 wrote: »

irish didnt decend from latin

that is wrong

the verb structure is suspicioulsy similar and things likes numbers appear to me to be based on latin.
i'm not very familiar with irish having failed it in the leaving and never having heard an irish conversation outside of school but later in life learning spanish and french some of it seemed quite familiar.

conchubhar1

my god
google it - im not getting into it

suffice to say you wrong - but they have a distant common link

wudangclan

conchubhar1 wrote: »

my god
google it - im not getting into it

suffice to say you wrong - but they have a distant common link

thanks for clearing that up for me

conchubhar1

wudangclan wrote: »

thanks for clearing that up for me

if sarcasm=no then reply your welcome if sarcasm=yes then -)

http://digitalcypher.com/random/yoda-google.jpg

wudangclan

conchubhar1 wrote: »

if sarcasm=no then reply your welcome if sarcasm=yes then -)

i'm not known here for my sarcasm.

i mananged to google this http://www.reference-global.com/doi/abs/10.1515/9783110111033.1.15.610?cookieSet=1

so gaelige isn't latin based but there is a connection ,is that what youré saying (i cant find the bloody question mark on this keyboard)

omyatari

because it still has a sort of universal understanding going on, eventho its as good as dead for an everyday language, its still understood nearly all over the world.

florists etc will almost always use the latin names for a plant or flower.
and its the same way in many more professions.

conchubhar1

same conection that links most languages in europe

3 excptions tho



ye we use the latin alphabet-most europen languages do
plus pinyin is becoming more widespread