This Months Future Music - Sample Magic / Sharooz

ICN

Hello,

The Mag is out for this month..

Have not got a copy yet, but I'm very interested to see the "In the Studio.." feature, as its with Sharooz, one of the main Guys from Sample Magic.

http://www.samplemagic.com/



I know he does not make all the samples himself :rolleyes:


The videos that have been on the FM w/site looks like it might be an interesting one.

The vid with him messing around with a 303 & a 909 is class! Dont know how he gets any work done! LOL :pac:

http://vimeo.com/4412285

jtsuited

nice one.

Sample magic's stuff is pretty much the only samples I use (one hits of course).

Not as bloated as the Vengeance packs, and the last one I got had nice EXS24 integration files etc.

ICN

Yeah.. Have to say.. the Vengance stuff is awful.

Far too compressed & rough sounding. Utter Sh1t.



The SM stuff is brilliant.. I've got 2 of them.

Expensive.. but well worth it. The sounds are so pristine.

hubiedubie

I'd also recommend the Thomas Penton samples. Great drum samples requiring minimal processing to sound good.

jtsuited

or.....wait for it...........

Florian Meindl (yes the Florian Meindl) has released the nicest sample pack ever. It's small, costs 20 euro, and is called the Riemann Kollektion.

I didn't know it was Florian Meindl til I actually got it.

ICN

If we're talking sample packs..

Goldbaby - 909 & 808 - Brilliant - AND - Dirt cheap!


Must check out that FM one.

flyswatter

Are the Vengeance packs really that bad? I haven't used them but I thought they were extremely popular for a reason.

jtsuited

flyswatter wrote: »

Are the Vengeance packs really that bad? I haven't used them but I thought they were extremely popular for a reason.

ah I don't think they're awful but there are a few things to think about with them:

1. They are freakin massive. Variety is the spice of life etc. but limitations are good and time is a finite resource. Flickin through the vengeance folders can take hours and hours when ya should be knockin out a tune.

2. Because they're massive, you gotta filter through a lot of stuff that is sh1te (and by sh1te I mean stuff that is unsuitable for what you're working on).

3. On the whole, they are very dirty. Most of them are ripped from records (nothing wrong with that). When using them, it is VITAL to clean stuff up wtih gates, eq, compression, even transient designers. Some people aren't into that type of jive (or are inexperienced with that stuff) so for many people it starts them off on the wrong foot.

4. Because they're rips, they've been subject to a good bit of eq/dynamic processing. Which would be fine if you weren't gonna do be doing all that again to your final master. A lot of people forget this. A drum sample that has already been hit with a limiter, is going to sound pretty weak when you hit it again.
I remember SeanNash (a poster here) was having a few problems with how flat his tracks were sounding on club systems compared to other stuff he was djing with, and I think we came to the conclusion that this double processing thing was what was causing a good bit of the problem (I'm open to correction on this Sean so chime in).

5. DO NOT USE THE LOOPS, unless you are going to do something very interesting and cool with them. A quick flick through the generic house stuff on beatport that doesn't sell at all will reveal to you how popular the Vengeance series is with a lot of n00b producers.

6. Popularity - some reasons they are so popular -

the vengeance packs are really great for people starting out. For a long time they had no competition so a lot of the big producers (especially in house and trance) used them a lot.
Over the past while Sample Magic and a few other groups have come along and made much smaller sample packs but with a better quality.

for run of the mill sounds (like a simple big housey open hat sound) I reach straight for the Vengeance stuff (Essential house Vol. 1 &2). For slightly cheesy sweeps I go to Vengeance FX 1 & 2.
But you've got to be real discriminatory in your use of them. The pickier you are, the better.

Hope that helps!!

jtsuited

Tell ya what though,

last month Future Music had a great in the studio with Funkagenda, and then this month with the Sample Magic guy.
Great stuff altogether!

ICN

jtsuited wrote: »

Tell ya what though,

last month Future Music had a great in the studio with Funkagenda, and then this month with the Sample Magic guy.
Great stuff altogether!

Yeah, the Funkagenda one was quite brilliant.

Up there with my all time FM greats:

Steve Angello
D.Ramirez

Its exactly what you expect from those features. Computer Music could learn a lot from how they do it. They are fcking woeful.

The one last one - Ableton issue with Michael Woods was the worst i had ever seen.

Got the Mag now anyway- So I'm going to have a look..

jtsuited

ICN wrote: »

Yeah, the Funkagenda one was quite brilliant.

Up there with my all time FM greats:

Steve Angello
D.Ramirez

Its exactly what you expect from those features. Computer Music could learn a lot from how they do it. They are fcking woeful.

The one last one - Ableton issue with Michael Woods was the worst i had ever seen.

Got the Mag now anyway- So I'm going to have a look..

yeah Computer music is just terrible in general compared to FM.

flyswatter

jtsuited wrote: »

yeah Computer music is just terrible in general compared to FM.

I bought Computer Music there for the first time after buying Music Tech magazine 3 times previously. I have to say I preferred the layout of CM. Must check FM out. Do they have DVD's with samples etc? To be honest, I'll buy any magazine that has any FL Studio content in it. :pac:

jtsuited

flyswatter wrote: »

I bought Computer Music there for the first time after buying Music Tech magazine 3 times previously. I have to say I preferred the layout of CM. Must check FM out. Do they have DVD's with samples etc? To be honest, I'll buy any magazine that has any FL Studio content in it. :pac:

Future Music is so far beyond those other magazines. It has interviews with established artists (who's work everyone has heard) who are actually avid readers of the magazine.

The DVD's are really good. The 'in the studio with..' features are the greatest source of knowledge if you're new to producing techno or house.

I learnt so much from the D ramirez one that I managed to squeeze a little career out of this.

Google video has a good few of them:

here's the d ramirez first part you'll find the rest from there

If you're anything like me, the next two days of your life are gonna consist of watching these videos and learning so friggin much you're head might fall off.

flyswatter

jtsuited wrote: »

Future Music is so far beyond those other magazines. It has interviews with established artists (who's work everyone has heard) who are actually avid readers of the magazine.

The DVD's are really good. The 'in the studio with..' features are the greatest source of knowledge if you're new to producing techno or house.

I learnt so much from the D ramirez one that I managed to squeeze a little career out of this.

Google video has a good few of them:

here's the d ramirez first part you'll find the rest from there

If you're anything like me, the next two days of your life are gonna consist of watching these videos and learning so friggin much you're head might fall off.

Thanks for the link. Watching the video now.

seannash

jtsuited wrote: »

4. Because they're rips, they've been subject to a good bit of eq/dynamic processing. Which would be fine if you weren't gonna do be doing all that again to your final master. A lot of people forget this. A drum sample that has already been hit with a limiter, is going to sound pretty weak when you hit it again.
I remember SeanNash (a poster here) was having a few problems with how flat his tracks were sounding on club systems compared to other stuff he was djing with, and I think we came to the conclusion that this double processing thing was what was causing a good bit of the problem (I'm open to correction on this Sean so chime in).

yeah you were right on that one.couldnt figure it out for ages and got me quite mad.it was a combination of that and inexperience and poor sample selection.
i do like vengeance stuff though but i am finding i dont go to them as often as i do now.i now normaly just go to a track i have and cut the kick from it(i know double processing in the end)and im trying my best to make my percussive sounds myself lately.
they do have there uses though.
i trimmed out all the samples id never use on my packs and made a copy of the full pack and have it sitting on my exhd.
cant rememebr if fm is the one that has the quick tips also.if it is ive learned alot from those and the videos also.