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Waterford memories - Were you there?

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  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭jimbojazz


    From what I know, he started a new life in Wales, and was doing well, while his victim's life was snatched away.

    But there's a few lads around town who have committed similar crimes and are roaming freely, one in particular.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭friendlyfun


    jimbojazz wrote: »
    From what I know, he started a new life in Wales, and was doing well, while his victim's life was snatched away.

    But there's a few lads around town who have committed similar crimes and are roaming freely, one in particular.

    Probably a lot of sick freaks who were in the church who got away with murder too because of the power they they had.


  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭jimbojazz


    Probably a lot of sick freaks who were in the church who got away with murder too because of the power they they had.

    Nope, not who I’m on about


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Probably a lot of sick freaks who were in the church who got away with murder too because of the power they they had.

    ...or where the psychologically unwell ended up!


  • Registered Users Posts: 477 ✭✭Flow Motion


    jimbojazz wrote: »
    From what I know, he started a new life in Wales, and was doing well, while his victim's life was snatched away.

    What a crazy random world we inhabit eh? How could anyone who committed such a vile crime to take a child's life be considered "rehabilitated" after a term in prison. That he was subsequently released and was able to start afresh albeit in another country must rub salt in the deceased family's wounds. The world can be a cold cruel place.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    What a crazy random world we inhabit eh? How could anyone who committed such a vile crime to take a child's life be considered "rehabilitated" after a term in prison. That he was subsequently released and was able to start afresh albeit in another country must rub salt in the deceased family's wounds. The world can be a cold cruel place.

    very few are truly rehabilitated upon release, its a dreadfully failing system


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,775 ✭✭✭Motivator


    jimbojazz wrote: »
    From what I know, he started a new life in Wales, and was doing well, while his victim's life was snatched away.

    But there's a few lads around town who have committed similar crimes and are roaming freely, one in particular.

    I know of a few actual murderers who are in around town but not aware of any child killers. Is there one or more than one in town who are out free? One particular bad egg who served time for murder can regularly be seen walking down around the park.


  • Registered Users Posts: 827 ✭✭✭jimbojazz


    Motivator wrote: »
    I know of a few actual murderers who are in around town but not aware of any child killers. Is there one or more than one in town who are out free? One particular bad egg who served time for murder can regularly be seen walking down around the park.

    I know of one, wandering freely, and just as horrific as Kyle’s


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,231 ✭✭✭bullpost




    80s Waterford - Looks a bit grim in places. Football hooligans and open water swimming (long before it was trendy) feature.


  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Oscar Madison


    Grim was the right word for it and you should ask yourself, has anything changed?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Grim was the right word for it and you should ask yourself, has anything changed?

    Waterford has radically changed over the decades, and it looks like its gonna radically change again over the coming years


  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Oscar Madison


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Waterford has radically changed over the decades, and it looks like its gonna radically change again over the coming years

    It has changed radically but in a negative way!

    I personally don't see a lot of positive progression to speak about.

    In my eyes it's very similar to 70's Ireland/Waterford.

    What am I honestly missing here?


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    It has changed radically but in a negative way!

    I'd have to somewhat disagree there, but also agree to a point, there's certainly more availability of income amongst the general population. most didn't have a pot to pi$$ in, in the 70/80's, we were an extremely poor country back then, but since then, elements of our society have improved greatly, but this is coming at a price, and its slowly catching up on us. If we don't radically change things now, we ll all end up in serious trouble, as the methods and beliefs that brought us this new found wealth, are starting to collapse.

    You can see from the footage posted, Waterford was very run down back then, high unemployment, very few options for people, now the place looks far better in ways, of course we still have issues, but at least people have options, there are far more employers in the region, and it looks like many more are on the way soon. so yea, we re doing much better now, but I do fear for our future, but we re not alone, everyone's future is deeply uncertain right now, but I have faith in our young, we have done exceptionally well during this period, wit has expanded greatly over the decades, so to have other educational and training facilities, and our young are ready for these uncertainties, and they're no fools either, many know exactly what's needed to be done, but it's critical us older folks support them in every way possible, because it's everyone's future


  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Oscar Madison


    But you're talking at a more national level more so than a local one?

    We still have high levels of unemployment & homelessness!

    Yes we have had a greater level of migration into the country or county

    and whether that's a good thing or a bad thing I don't know!

    When I think back to the 70's looking through a child's eyes I remember

    the Iron Foundry, Waterford Crystal, ACEC, Kilmeadan Creamery,

    The Chipboard and loads more big industries in Waterford.

    They're all gone now!

    Big employers is what this county needs, not airports or third level institutions!


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Big employers is what this county needs, not airports or third level institutions!

    We actually need an astonishing amount of things, but we actually have the people here to do it, from locals to foreigners. It's always important to remember, small to medium sized businesses are in fact where the majority are employed, having an economy, in particular a local one, based on a couple of big employers, is extremely dangerous, as they have a tenancy of up and leaving when it suits them, and we re left with a black hole. We have a tenancy to fall over ourselves trying to attracted big employers, even when the above facts are the case, yes these employers are critical to the whole picture, but.....

    Another critical element in these developments is public services and infrastructure, including those you have mentioned, all of the above is needed for a better future.

    The issues you have mentioned are in fact critical in many ways, these are our issues going forward, that must be addressed immediately, we ve work to be doing


  • Registered Users Posts: 700 ✭✭✭Oscar Madison


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    We actually need an astonishing amount of things, but we actually have the people here to do it, from locals to foreigners. It's always important to remember, small to medium sized businesses are in fact where the majority are employed, having an economy, in particular a local one, based on a couple of big employers, is extremely dangerous, as they have a tenancy of up and leaving when it suits them, and we re left with a black hole. We have a tenancy to fall over ourselves trying to attracted big employers, even when the above facts are the case, yes these employers are critical to the whole picture, but.....

    Another critical element in these developments is public services and infrastructure, including those you have mentioned, all of the above is needed for a better future.

    The issues you have mentioned are in fact critical in many ways, these are our issues going forward, that must be addressed immediately, we ve work to be doing

    Big companies or big employers bring in so much!

    I previously worked with a company no longer with us but the amount of

    business that it generated within the local economy was immense!

    Small businesses/companies can disappear without missing them so much

    but larger companies can carry so much clout and are good for an area!


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Big companies or big employers bring in so much!

    ... But they can and do also take so much to!

    There's clear evidence now to show, major employers truly have a tendancy to up and leave when suits, this has occurred globally, forever, what is left behind truly are black holes. There's also clear evidence that many of these employers pay very little tax in comparison to citizens, including sme's, the game is all a bit one sided, this is unsustainable, and is now causing serious issues at the local level to the international level, and everything in between. large, medium and small employers all play a critical role in a functioning economy and society, all with their own issues and faults, but all equally important, but there's currently little or no acceptance of this equality of need, as there's definite biases , and this is glaringly obvious now


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,530 ✭✭✭Asdfgh2020


    But you're talking at a more national level more so than a local one?

    We still have high levels of unemployment & homelessness!

    Yes we have had a greater level of migration into the country or county

    and whether that's a good thing or a bad thing I don't know!

    When I think back to the 70's looking through a child's eyes I remember

    the Iron Foundry, Waterford Crystal, ACEC, Kilmeadan Creamery,

    The Chipboard and loads more big industries in Waterford.

    They're all gone now!

    Big employers is what this county needs, not airports or third level institutions!

    Have you not heard of bauch and Lomb, Genzyme/Sanofi, west pharma, teva and I’m sure there are plenty more.......I think Bausch and Lomb is bigggest employer in south east at moment.....


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭killbillvol2


    Asdfgh2020 wrote: »
    Have you not heard of bauch and Lomb, Genzyme/Sanofi, west pharma, teva and I’m sure there are plenty more.......I think Bausch and Lomb is bigggest employer in south east at moment.....

    They don't fit in with the hysterical narrative.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    They don't fit in with the hysterical narrative.

    to be fair, the poster is raising some serious concerns, and they are right to be extremely concerned about them


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭killbillvol2


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    to be fair, the poster is raising some serious concerns, and they are right to be extremely concerned about them

    i'm pretty sure that pre-pandemic there was more employment in Waterford than in the 80s. Ranting on about big factories that are gone when there's a broad range of high value employment is hysteria.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    i'm pretty sure that pre-pandemic there was more employment in Waterford than in the 80s. Ranting on about big factories that are gone when there's a broad range of high value employment is hysteria.

    the poster is actually deeply concerned about our major societal issues, homelessness etc etc, and theyre right, but we do have some great employers, as mentioned, we re doing dramatically better in many ways, in terms on employment options etc, but theres something seriously going wrong at a societal level


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭killbillvol2


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    the poster is actually deeply concerned about our major societal issues, homelessness etc etc, and theyre right, but we do have some great employers, as mentioned, we re doing dramatically better in many ways, in terms on employment options etc, but theres something seriously going wrong at a societal level

    Indeed. But toning down the rhetoric would get the point across just as well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭azimuth17


    i'm pretty sure that pre-pandemic there was more employment in Waterford than in the 80s. Ranting on about big factories that are gone when there's a broad range of high value employment is hysteria.

    Absolutely agree. Most of the industries mentioned were low value sunset industries whose time had come anyway. Big loss was Waterford Crystal and that's a tale that has been told by John Hearne (not SF) in his history of the place. Biggest employer now is UHW with nearly 2400 people there currently which is far more important in longevity and educational input.. I understand that pre pandemic there were more people employed in Waterford than ever, but a high number commuting. Unemployment was largely in well known pockets of disadvantage centred on the older parts of the city. Employment has also changed from 65/35 industrial/services to 60/40 in favour of services I believe. This probably reflects the closure of Waterford Glass more than anything else.


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    azimuth17 wrote: »
    Absolutely agree. Most of the industries mentioned were low value sunset industries whose time had come anyway. Big loss was Waterford Crystal and that's a tale that has been told by John Hearne (not SF) in his history of the place. Biggest employer now is UHW with nearly 2400 people there currently which is far more important in longevity and educational input.. I understand that pre pandemic there were more people employed in Waterford than ever, but a high number commuting. Unemployment was largely in well known pockets of disadvantage centred on the older parts of the city. Employment has also changed from 65/35 industrial/services to 60/40 in favour of services I believe. This probably reflects the closure of Waterford Glass more than anything else.

    its more of a global problem than anything else, we re in serious trouble with it, our past approaches will fail to address this


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,222 ✭✭✭friendlyfun


    I was talking to taxi driver this morning about the German lad who used to swim across the river suir. I saw him before. Anyone know who I'm talking about?


  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    I was talking to taxi driver this morning about the German lad who used to swim across the river suir. I saw him before. Anyone know who I'm talking about?

    the german fella is well known alright, was a lecture in wit so i believe


  • Registered Users Posts: 38,356 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    the german fella is well known alright, was a lecture in wit so i believe

    Jesus that's surprising given his swimming antics, fair play to him

    Yeah tis a tough time atm when you think about all the industries that have closed here. Waterford glass sounded like an easy enough place to get into back in the day and you could have a job for life and thats without having a good educational background which is sadly the way it is today and of course 'Who you know'


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,172 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    jimbojazz wrote: »
    I know of one, wandering freely, and just as horrific as Kyle’s

    So you keep saying, but really without some kind of detail or description or whatever it doesn't really amount to much in all fairness.

    I know a load of ***** too though if thats any use? Horrible sick bastards who are actually thought of as pillars of the community - couldn't be further from the truth but such is life.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



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  • Registered Users Posts: 29,387 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    PTH2009 wrote:
    Yeah tis a tough time atm when you think about all the industries that have closed here. Waterford glass sounded like an easy enough place to get into back in the day and you could have a job for life and thats without having a good educational background which is sadly the way it is today and of course 'Who you know'

    I think employment can still be a who you know situation sometimes, we do have a lot of diversity in regards employers here which is great, but job precariousness is a serious problem now, particularly for your generation, this won't end well


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