White House Correspondents Dinner

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Wanda Sykes:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJR-WzMjCGA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdkEHIjsXQI

Obama:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YB1olxLwBWI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouVzworH30s

Nightwish

Watched them earlier on today and Obama was fantastic. Cheney and Limbaugh really get pwned by Wanda Sykes!

Black Swan

Nightwish wrote: »

Cheney and Limbaugh really get pwned by Wanda Sykes!

Could have been the Republican Three Stooges if she had added Sarah Palin (Curly).

silverharp

thanks for posting , it wasnt exactly in the style of Bush and Colbert but amusing

lostexpectation

wandy sykes is awful, obama jokes are hit and misses as usual. but mostly hits

just watched caraig fergusons one for bush a few years back awful too.

Running Bing

They were raising the point on Fox that if comments were made by a conservative calling a democrat a terrorist and wishing them to die of liver failure their would be huge outrage.

Still trying to make up my mind whether it was just Fox being Fox or wheter they have a point.

The Mad Hatter

Running Bing wrote: »

They were raising the point on Fox that if comments were made by a conservative calling a democrat a terrorist and wishing them to die of liver failure their would be huge outrage.

Still trying to make up my mind whether it was just Fox being Fox or wheter they have a point.

Um...many right wingers have called Obama a terrorist, and Glenn Beck has his little list of liberals to kill, which I think is a bit more extreme. At least Sykes was joking.

JohnMc1

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Glenn Beck has his little list of liberals to kill

That is a blatant lie and you know it. He may call people like Pelosi, Reid and Fran dirtbags but he has NEVER called for their death.

Overheal

Ive listened to enough of Glenny Poo to know hes as harmless as anyone. If he joked he had a Liberal Death List, thats all it was.

The Mad Hatter

Overheal wrote: »

Ive listened to enough of Glenny Poo to know hes as harmless as anyone. If he joked he had a Liberal Death List, thats all it was.

Fair enough. Withdrawn.

Dinner

Obama's speech was excellent. Loved the bit at the start with the prompters.

Black Swan

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

Um...many right wingers have called Obama a terrorist

Now, now The Mad Hatter, that was just a "subtle hint" proclaimed on the stump (and blasted over the airwaves) by McCain-Palin during the 2008 campaign... Recalling when Ayers was a terrorist and Obama was 8 years old? Only Big Brother scare tactic Republicans of the McCarty Era would ever see Obama as a terrorist sympathizer?

After all, McCain-Palin didn't intend to run a dirty smear campaign by attacking Obama's character in order to distract the voters from the real issues of going to war over non-existent weapons of mass destruction, or the Republican Bush-Cheney administration failing to mitigate and adequately address the biggest economic meltdown since the Great Depression during their 8 years in office?

Ruskie4Rent

The Mad Hatter wrote: »

At least Sykes was joking.

TBH, it wasn't a good one. More shocking than funny. The one about Palin pulling out at the last minute and abstinence programs was both though:).

LostinKildare

Glenn Beck did say he wants to kill Michael Moore. And that he gets down and his knees and prays that Dennis Kucinich will burst into flames.

Just sayin.

Overheal

We all wanted Bush to get shot too.

I guess we're all terrorists then.

:rolleyes:

You do have to appreciate the Double Standard. I could say I hoped someone would shoot Bush all day in my family. Then when Obama was winning the election and I commented "Wow, what if he was shot?" people turn on you and say HOW DARE YOU THINK THAT.

The Mad Hatter

Overheal wrote: »

We all wanted Bush to get shot too.

I guess we're all terrorists then.

:rolleyes:

You do have to appreciate the Double Standard. I could say I hoped someone would shoot Bush all day in my family. Then when Obama was winning the election and I commented "Wow, what if he was shot?" people turn on you and say HOW DARE YOU THINK THAT.

:eek: If Bush had been shot, Cheney would have been actual president!

LostinKildare: thanks, I knew I'd heard something like that...

Black Swan

Overheal wrote: »

We all wanted Bush to get shot too.

Bush had a lot of "shots," both as a student at Yale, and later in the Air National Guard, when he heroically defended the State of Texas against the State of Oklahoma during the Vietnam War.

JohnMc1

Overheal wrote: »

You do have to appreciate the Double Standard. I could say I hoped someone would shoot Bush all day in my family. Then when Obama was winning the election and I commented "Wow, what if he was shot?" people turn on you and say HOW DARE YOU THINK THAT.

I think when a person says they want another person to die is just a low life piece of ****. I didn't agree with Clinton, I didn't always agree with Bush [both] and I don't agree with most of Obama's policies thus far but I never wished death on any of them. I was brought up better than that.

Anybody who laughed at Sykes comments are low class themselves.

LostinKildare

I agree. The thing about wishing his kidneys would fail was really ugly. The rhetoric on both sides goes too far.

JohnMc1

LostinKildare wrote: »

I agree. The thing about wishing his kidneys would fail was really ugly. The rhetoric on both sides goes too far.

Most of the uglyness comes from the left anymore. Sykes is a nobody but Obama laughing at the remark was worse. I expect stupidity from "comedians" but from "Intelligent" people like Obama I expect more.

LostinKildare

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Most of the uglyness comes from the left anymore.

That I don't agree with. The right-wing professional hatemongers like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter have no parallel on the Left. Neither does Michele Bachmann.

JohnMc1

LostinKildare wrote: »

That I don't agree with. The right-wing professional hatemongers like Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter have no parallel on the Left. Neither does Michele Bachmann.

Al Frankin, Janeane Garafolo, Matt Maher, Sean Penn and most Hollywood "stars" and Keith Olbermann and the MSNBC, CNBC, CBS, NBC and CNN would like a word with you.

LostinKildare

so give me an example. I live outside the U.S., maybe I just haven't heard these egregious things.

Black Swan

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Most of the uglyness comes from the left anymore.

What is this "left" you speak of? Is there a clear and accepted definition of this term "left" that is not filled with bias and hurtful feelings?

Can you define the "left" vis-a-vis the position of the post-2008 presidential election year Republican party, if in fact the Republican party has a position that most Republicans agree with?

Are there "left" Republicans too, or are there just Republicans that "left" the party like Specter?

JohnMc1

LostinKildare wrote: »

so give me an example. I live outside the U.S., maybe I just haven't heard these egregious things.

Al Frankin released a book called Rush is a big, fat idiot and was also a talk show host on the failed liberal radio network Air America. Garafolo also a former host of said network also recently referred to the tea Party protestors as teabagging rednecks and racists. Bill Maher turned Bush jokes into toilet humor level [a joke told for a cheap pop, where only an idiot would laugh] Sean Penn current gay activist and said Americans should be ashamed of themselves for being for traditional marriage and has called Bush a dictator for years but was a frequent guest of Hugo Chavez and the Castro Bros. Those are real dictators he's manloving on. Olberman is a host of an MSNBC show that's clearly in the tank for Obama. Its owned by GE [General Electric] and is kissing up to Obama ust to get Federal Money and Contracts for the "Green Initiative" He hosted the show where Garafolo said her disgusting remarks against the Tea Party protestors.

Other than that its too numerous to list.

bobbyjoe

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Al Frankin released a book called Rush is a big, fat idiot and was also a talk show host on the failed liberal radio network Air America. Garafolo also a former host of said network also recently referred to the tea Party protestors as teabagging rednecks and racists. Bill Maher turned Bush jokes into toilet humor level [a joke told for a cheap pop, where only an idiot would laugh] Sean Penn current gay activist and said Americans should be ashamed of themselves for being for traditional marriage and has called Bush a dictator for years but was a frequent guest of Hugo Chavez and the Castro Bros. Those are real dictators he's manloving on. Olberman is a host of an MSNBC show that's clearly in the tank for Obama. Its owned by GE [General Electric] and is kissing up to Obama ust to get Federal Money and Contracts for the "Green Initiative" He hosted the show where Garafolo said her disgusting remarks against the Tea Party protestors.

Other than that its too numerous to list.

Frankin was a comedian at the time. Plus Rush is a big fat idiot.
Garafolo, thats her opinion I'd be inclined to agree with her.
Bill Maher: Is a comedian
Penn is a actor: plus Chavez is not a dictator. Americans who want to stop the rights of others should be ashamed of themselves.

Olberman you have a point with he goes over the top a bit but never heard him talk about hurting others.

LostinKildare

Nothing there that's over the top. Nobody wishing harm to others.

Give me a quote that rivals this:

“My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.” (Coulter)

or this

"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out -- is this wrong? I stopped wearing my What Would Jesus -- band -- Do, and I've lost all sense of right and wrong now. I used to be able to say, 'Yeah, I'd kill Michael Moore,' and then I'd see the little band: What Would Jesus Do? And then I'd realize, 'Oh, you wouldn't kill Michael Moore. Or at least you wouldn't choke him to death.' And you know, well, I'm not sure." (Beck)

or this

"I think there should be no mercy shown to these sub-humans. I believe that a thousand of them should be killed tomorrow. I think a thousand of them held in the Iraqi prison should be given 24 hour -- a trial and executed. I think they need to be shown that we are not going to roll over to them ... Instead of putting joysticks, I would have liked to have seen dynamite put in their orifices and they should be dropped from airplanes ... They should put dynamite in their behinds and drop them from 35,000 feet, the whole pack of scum out of that jail."
(Savage, about Abu Ghraib prisoners)

Overheal

Its asinine to sit here and markup a scorecard to see which side of the aisle is scoring a bogey. Theres fault on all sides. Shock and/or Ghasp.

ynotdu

overall I was disapointed at Wanda Sykes,had never seen her before but she seemed to be dying a death on-stage and knew it!
the parts that were funny she could have fitted into two minuates!

obama i thought done just ok,even the funny bits lacked good delivery.

Leaving politics out of it, the link below is humour wise the best I have found.
I think its hilarious:D


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDPAUi3VPSo

JohnMc1

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Frankin was a comedian at the time. Plus Rush is a big fat idiot.

Whether its true or not is irrelevant. Making a personal insult of that nature is low. Especially when Frankin considers himself in Politics.

Garafolo, thats her opinion I'd be inclined to agree with her.

You think racism was the only thing driving the Tea Parties?

Bill Maher: Is a comedian

Who is also a pompous ass who thinks he knows everything.

Penn is a actor:

Whos doesn't know when to shut up.

plus Chavez is not a dictator.

LOL @ this tripe. There goes your credibility.

Americans who want to stop the rights of others should be ashamed of themselves.

Judgemental aren't you? People who believe in traditional marriage have nothing to be ashamed of.

Olberman you have a point with he goes over the top a bit but never heard him talk about hurting others.

You better watch his show before mouthing off about Beck and O'Reilly then.

sceptre

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Al Frankin released a book called Rush is a big, fat idiot

Ignoring for a moment either the veracity of the statement or your annoyance over it, the title of Franken's book was an ironic dig at one of America's most famous ad hominem attackers. Limbaugh, after all, had taken particular glee in calling Chelsea Clinton a "dog" in public. American satire is sure getting personal.

JohnMc1

sceptre wrote: »

Ignoring for a moment either the veracity of the statement or your annoyance over it, the title of Franken's book was an ironic dig at one of America's most famous ad hominem attackers. Limbaugh, after all, had taken particular glee in calling Chelsea Clinton a "dog" in public. American satire is sure getting personal.

Its gotten really ugly in the last few years thats for sure. Its gotten polarized for some reason. Election Day is like Super bowl Sunday. My team vs Your team which is a stupid idea. Growing up in a White Lower Middle Class family we expected to get screwed over regardless of who won.

One of my friends Father's used to say: "Regardless of who wins you still got to go to work the next day. Whoever wins is not going to have a huge impact on your life"

bobbyjoe

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Whether its true or not is irrelevant. Making a personal insult of that nature is low. Especially when Frankin considers himself in Politics.



You think racism was the only thing driving the Tea Parties?

Who is also a pompous ass who thinks he knows everything.


Whos doesn't know when to shut up.



LOL @ this tripe. There goes your credibility.



Judgemental aren't you? People who believe in traditional marriage have nothing to be ashamed of.



You better watch his show before mouthing off about Beck and O'Reilly then.

Olberman is the only one of your list who claims to be a journalist, don't see much of his show maybe you have examples?

Comedians and actors can say what they like. Who cares what they say anyway they don't represent anyone.
Frankin wrote that book years ago before he became a politician.
Teabaggers racist? Yeah pretty much, sore losers to.
Believe in "traditional Marriage" all you like just don't impose your beliefs on others. Live and let live I say. Unlike these guys who want to decide who can get married. Yes they should be ashamed.
Chavez is not a dictator maybe check that out yourself.

JohnMc1

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Teabaggers racist? Yeah pretty much, sore losers to.

Your bias is showing through. Most of the protesters siad they VOTED for Obama and were disappointed in him growing the Govt even bigger and doubling the deficit in only a few months.

Believe in "traditional Marriage" all you like just don't impose your beliefs on others. Live and let live I say. Unlike these guys who want to decide who can get married. Yes they should be ashamed.

LOL. Those Gay Marriage activists sure aren't trying to force their beliefs on anyone. :rolleyes:

Chavez is not a dictator maybe check that out yourself.

LOL again at this. He's had Political opponents killed and even came out with a law that he can stay in power indefinitely. And don't Penn that Chavez isn't a big fan of gays.

bobbyjoe

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Your bias is showing through. Most of the protesters siad they VOTED for Obama and were disappointed in him growing the Govt even bigger and doubling the deficit in only a few months.



LOL. Those Gay Marriage activists sure aren't trying to force their beliefs on anyone. :rolleyes:




LOL again at this. He's had Political opponents killed and even came out with a law that he can stay in power indefinitely. And don't Penn that Chavez isn't a big fan of gays.

Most of the said they voted for Obama? Source?
If they are protesting gov spending why weren't they out when Bush was spending like a lunatic?
How is making gay marriage legal forcing their beliefs on anyone? Why should the Gov decide who can marry? thought you right wingers were for less gov intrusion.
Chavez did not "come out with a law that he can stay in power indefinitely". Dunno his opinion on gay people.

JohnMc1

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Most of the said they voted for Obama? Source?

Right from the Protestors themselves.

If they are protesting gov spending why weren't they out when Bush was spending like a lunatic?

I gave a nice summary in your garafolo thread.

How is making gay marriage legal forcing their beliefs on anyone? Why should the Gov decide who can marry? thought you right wingers were for less gov intrusion.

The People of California voted for it. Gay Marriage was shot down. End of. The Will of the People should prevail. The ridiculous Church Invasions aren't going to get them what they want.

Chavez did not "come out with a law that he can stay in power indefinitely". Dunno his opinion on gay people.

He is allowed to stay in power indefinitely. That is a dictator.

bobbyjoe

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Right from the Protestors themselves.



I gave a nice summary in your garafolo thread.



The People of California voted for it. Gay Marriage was shot down. End of. The Will of the People should prevail. The ridiculous Church Invasions aren't going to get them what they want.



He is allowed to stay in power indefinitely. That is a dictator.

Sorry when I say source I mean like a newspaper or something. If you spoke individually to every protester or did your own survey my apologies.

Gay marriage you didn't answer any of my questions like how is it imposing on others rights?

Chavez can run for election more than twice. Big difference than "stay in power indefinitely". Same as in the UK, Ireland and most countries. They all dictatorships too?

JohnMc1

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Sorry when I say source I mean like a newspaper or something. If you spoke individually to every protester or did your own survey my apologies.

Watch some news or read papers from something other than the Obama buttkissers. You'll actually learn something.

Gay marriage you didn't answer any of my questions like how is it imposing on others rights?

What part of The People voted on it and they decided against it don't you understand?

Chavez can run for election more than twice. Big difference than "stay in power indefinitely". Same as in the UK, Ireland and most countries. They all dictatorships too?

Nice try. :rolleyes:

bobbyjoe

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Watch some news or read papers from something other than the Obama buttkissers. You'll actually learn something.


What part of The People voted on it and they decided against it don't you understand?



Nice try. :rolleyes:

Why don't you link to one of these newspapers and educate me?
Still no answer to the question.
Whatever!!!!

JohnMc1

bobbyjoe wrote: »

Why don't you link to one of these newspapers and educate me?

Why you're so fun to play with as you are.

Still no answer to the question.

Ask the Great and Wise Obama what he thinks....Oh wait a minute. He's for traditional marriage as well. My Bad as the kids say.

Whatever!!!!

Its ok. If you want to believe an idiot like Penn that Chavez is a nice guy that's your opinion. A low one but still one nonetheless.

bobbyjoe

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Why you're so fun to play with as you are.



Ask the Great and Wise Obama what he thinks....Oh wait a minute. He's for traditional marriage as well. My Bad as the kids say.



Its ok. If you want to believe an idiot like Penn that Chavez is a nice guy that's your opinion. A low one but still one nonetheless.

So you have no links?
You still can't say how gay marriage imposes on others rights.
Never said Chavez was a nice guy, just that he's not a dictator. Don't really care what Sean Penn thinks about anything.

Ruskie4Rent

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Your bias is showing through. Most of the protesters siad they VOTED for Obama and were disappointed in him growing the Govt even bigger and doubling the deficit in only a few months.

I posted this in the garofolo thread but it applies here too....

Can't defend her racism alegation. The vast majority of the protests were not racially motivated.
Although I would imagine that the genuine fiscally conservative, of the Ron Paul mould, were greatly outnumbered by the Anti-Obama/Democrat posse that i feel Fox News is aimed at.

The latter group weren't heard during the excessive expendature during the Bush years. High spending and low taxes is not fiscally prudent so to get so worked up about fiscal prudence now is a bit unusual. Its no surprise that people would question their motives.
It looks like that they are social conservatives who never had a problem with big government with the republicans in charge, but when its the democrats, headed by Barack Obama of all people, out comes the placards and claims of socialsim.
They remind me of the 'took our jobs' crowd from South Park.

Also, an executive and legislative branch controlled by the Democrats is always going to react to a financial crises with stimulus spending, so I don't know where you coming from with this... "He ofcourse wins and soon after there talks of the Dems planning more bailouts [now called stimulus plans] ofcourse those were signed soon after Obama was sworn into office" ...as if those that elected obama into office did not expect further spending.

MOST of the protestors voted for obama?
If thats true then Its fair to ask if they even knew why they were voting for him and if they understand why they are protesting.

LostinKildare

Overheal wrote: »

Its asinine to sit here and markup a scorecard to see which side of the aisle is scoring a bogey. Theres fault on all sides. Shock and/or Ghasp.

Asinine?

Overheal, I think there's a substantive difference between wishing for someone to suffer a painful death -- whether you're joking about it or not -- and calling someone an idiot, racist, or dictator. To me, the former is over the line, and JohnMc1 seemed to agree when he wrote

I think when a person says they want another person to die is just a low life piece of ****. I didn't agree with Clinton, I didn't always agree with Bush [both] and I don't agree with most of Obama's policies thus far but I never wished death on any of them. I was brought up better than that.

If you don't agree that there's any real difference, fine.

More generally, I think it's worth discussing whether we should expect a minimal level of civility in political discourse -- drawing the line at calling for the violent deaths of our enemies, for example -- and also whether over-the-top rhetoric could be damaging to society.

Nodin

JohnMc1 wrote: »

Sean Penn current gay activist and said Americans should be ashamed of themselves for being for traditional marriage

Could we have the quote itself please...?

Otacon

Nodin wrote: »

Could we have the quote itself please...?

But he heard it himself?

1. Chavez can indeed stay in power indefinitely, if he is voted in by the people, similar to a few other countries I know.

2. Allowing gay marriage isn't imposing your views on anyone else. How is your marriage affected by the gay couple's marriage down the street? and how is it their problem?

3. Racist or not (imo not), you cannot deny it is a touch hypocritical of the Teabaggers to protest about Government Spending now, when its required, compared to a few years ago, when it was to fuel a war no-one supported.

Nodin

Otacon wrote: »

But he heard it himself?

Given the way he phrased it, I'd say he heard it off O'Reilly on Fox, or some similar hack.

The full speech

Thank you. Thank you. You commie, homo-loving sons-of-guns. I did not expect this, but I, and I want it to be very clear, that I do know how hard I make it to appreciate me often. But I am touched by the appreciation and I hoped for it enough that I did want to scribble down, so I had the names in case you were commie, homo-loving sons-of-guns, and so I want to thank my best friend, Sata Matsuzawa. My circle of long-time support, Mara, Brian, Barry and Bob. The great Cleve Jones. Our wonderful writer, Lance Black. Producers Bruce Cohen and Dan Jinks.
And particularly, as all, as actors know, our director either has the patience, talent and restraint to grant us a voice or they don't, and it goes from the beginning of the meeting, through the cutting room. And there is no finer hands to be in than Gus Van Sant. And finally, for those, two last finallies, for those who saw the signs of hatred as our cars drove in tonight, I think that it is a good time for those who voted for the ban against gay marriage to sit and reflect and anticipate their great shame and the shame in their grandchildren's eyes if they continue that way of support.
We've got to have equal rights for everyone. And there are, and there are, these last two things. I'm very, very proud to live in a country that is willing to elect an elegant man president and a country who, for all its toughness, creates courageous artists. And this is in great due respect to all the nominees, but courageous artists, who despite a sensitivity that sometimes has brought enormous challenge, Mickey Rourke rises again and he is my brother. Thank you all very much."—

(my bold)
http://www.mahalo.com/Sean_Penn_Oscar_Speech

Ruskie4Rent

Otacon wrote: »

3. Racist or not (imo not), you cannot deny it is a touch hypocritical of the Teabaggers to protest about Government Spending now, when its required, compared to a few years ago, when it was to fuel a war no-one supported.

In fairness, I remember there being alot of support for the war at the time. It was the height of the post-911 patriotism. Questioning the motive for going to war and the potential length/cost of it would lead to being branded as 'Un-American'.

I do see the hypocracy that you're talking about though. Alot of the war's supporters still defended the administration even after it was clear that it was a complete **** up, and i'm sure that alot of that crowd were present at the protests. Its just another divisive issue for the anti-'liberal' brigade to blindly adopt. I don't think they care, or can even see the hypocracy.

LostinKildare

Nodin wrote: »

Could we have the quote itself please...?

I think he is referring to Penn's Oscar acceptance speech, in which he referred to demonstrators outside the theater who were protesting against gay marriage and attacking the late Heath Ledger (who was straight, but a target because of his role in Brokeback Mountain) with signs that read "Heath in Hell." (classy, huh?)

Here is a link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/oscars/4786931/Oscars-2009-Sean-Penn-defends-gay-rights-as-protesters-abuse-Heath-Ledger.html

If you can't see the video, this is what he said:

For those who saw the signs of hatred as our cars drove in tonight, I think that it is a good time for those who voted for the ban against gay marriage to sit and reflect and anticipate their great shame and the shame in their grandchildren's eyes if they continue that
of support. We've got to have equal rights for everyone.

He didn't say that people who support traditional marriage should be ashamed; he said that people who voted to deny gays equal marriage rights should be ashamed. (that is, you are free to hold your own beliefs about traditional marriage, but you shouldn't impose those beliefs on others, restricting their civil rights)

JohnMc1

Nodin wrote: »

Could we have the quote itself please...?

He said during his Oscar speech [or whatever stupid award he go to for Milk] Surely if look hard enough you'll be able to find the video. :rolleyes:

Nodin

JohnMc1 wrote: »

He said during his Oscar speech [or whatever stupid award he go to for Milk] Surely if look hard enough you'll be able to find the video. :rolleyes:

If you'd bothered to see the responses since, you'll see its been posted. Rather unsurprisingly, its not as you or whoever you heard it off portrayed it.