A HBK /Bret Reconciliationon the cards ?

I started thinking this when hearing HBK and what he said about his hall of fame induction and who would he like to induct him. Of course he said Bret . Few weeks later this was actually brought up to Bret during a radio interview. Bret said he is over everthing now and that he would probably do it if he was asked.

Brets most recent comments seem to add to this .......

HBK vs. Undertaker: "I’ll be the first to say that I thought Taker v Shawn was the best match at WrestleMania, maybe one of the best matches I’ve seen in years. To a certain degree, I was proud of both of them. I never take away the fact that Shawn was a great wrestler and he did a lot of great stuff. I’ve always been really proud of the match we had in Anaheim, when I dropped the title to him.”

Passing the Torch: "If you look back when I first won the title, too many guys – Warrior, Hogan, Jake Roberts – didn’t pass the torch back. When I left the business I had a lousy ending, but I would have loved to have wrestled Steve Austin one more time at the end of my career and really put him over – or Shawn. I would have loved to have given back. I didn’t end up being able to pass the torch back, that was an honour I would have liked to have done."

ShawnRaven

It was on a Sky Sports appearance, I think.

Personally, i think Shawn should tell him to stick it, primarily on the basis that he was able to forgive the guy who actually screwed him (Vince) but continue to take pot shots at Shawn during interviews, his book and even autograph signings.

Bret also isn't emotionally stable, and hasn't been since his stroke, (and not knocking him for that), but what he thinks is a good idea one week, he'll also immediately be liable to think it was a bad idea one week.

If anyone acted the dick about it in recent years, it's Bret. Sorry! Shawn might have admitted he knew all along, and may not have apologised, but at the same time, it's not like Bret gave him many opportunities to do so either, especially when he threatened to walk during HOF Weekend if he even saw Shawn within a six mile radius of him!

Bret wants Shawn to apologise first, but only years after the fact? Get over yourself, pal!

Bubs101

ShawnRaven wrote: »

It was on a Sky Sports appearance, I think.

Personally, i think Shawn should tell him to stick it, primarily on the basis that he was able to forgive the guy who actually screwed him (Vince) but continue to take pot shots at Shawn during interviews, his book and even autograph signings.

Bret also isn't emotionally stable, and hasn't been since his stroke, (and not knocking him for that), but what he thinks is a good idea one week, he'll also immediately be liable to think it was a bad idea one week.

If anyone acted the dick about it in recent years, it's Bret. Sorry! Shawn might have admitted he knew all along, and may not have apologised, but at the same time, it's not like Bret gave him many opportunities to do so either, especially when he threatened to walk during HOF Weekend if he even saw Shawn within a six mile radius of him!

Bret wants Shawn to apologise first, but only years after the fact? Get over yourself, pal!

It's come down to a matter of pride now. Nobody cares about what has happened it's just that nobody wants to apologize first.

ShawnRaven

Bubs101 wrote: »

It's come down to a matter of pride now. Nobody cares about what has happened it's just that nobody wants to apologize first.

If I were Shawn, my first question would "You're offering to be approachable now, after all this time? Why now, Bret?"

I do agree with you Bubs, at this stage it's down to the point where it's out in the open for years and people no longer care about it. But at the same time, Bret has taken many pots at Shawn since his comeback in 2002 (to the point where he's even taken to mocking his born again christianity).

I do understand that Bret feels Shawn has something to say sorry for, but at the same time, you can't tell someone to apologise when it suits you either. That just comes off as arrogant and dick-ish.

CMpunked

ShawnRaven wrote: »

If I were Shawn,

But you ARE shawn.. Ho ho, barrel of laughs this morning i am


Anyways...

I dont think Bret will be the one to induct Shawn, its a good idea and all, but vince and HHH will probably want Hunter to do it.

kyp_durron

If they did eventually kiss and make up, Bret could become Shawn's manager, think of the skits and crazy antics they could get up to!

ShawnRaven

kyp_durron wrote: »

If they did eventually kiss and make up, Bret could become Shawn's manager, think of the skits and crazy antics they could get up to!

The rights to "who nailed Sunny first" on a pole match?

ShawnRaven

ShawnRaven wrote: »

If I were Shawn, my first question would "You're offering to be approachable now, after all this time? Why now, Bret?".

Whats the permitted time that you can hold a grudge for ?

ShawnRaven

Deleted User wrote: »

Whats the permitted time that you can hold a grudge for ?

F*ck knows, but who made Bret God to decide that either?

slicus ricus

Deleted User wrote: »

Whats the permitted time that you can hold a grudge for ?

That's a good question Dre, but what you really need to ask is: How long is a piece of string? If you can find an answer to that then the answer to your grudge question should appear obvious!;)

ShawnRaven

Just so that i'm perfectly clear here.
I've no problem with Bret coming out and saying he's ready to bury the hatchet. That's one thing.

But to come out, when he's ready, and say "If Shawn apologises" (which is, from what I understand, what he actually said). That's the bit that pisses me off about it.

If a disagreement takes place and both parties want to bury the hatchet is one thing, but if you're gonna demand conditions, especially when you were the one who didn't make yourself approachable for several years, then it does come across as half-assed, half-hearted and for all intents and purposes a publicity stunt.

Especially when both of them have said that neither could co-exist, serveral times.

Edit:
Found the exact interview, Bret is quoted saying this:
"So would Bret induct Shawn into the WWE's Hall of Fame, as indicated by a recent request made by Shawn in WWE magazine? Bret laughs and leans back as he quips: "Maybe if he wants to make himself feel better about it he should have the guts to pick up the phone and apologise. Then we'll see after that.""

Bret is nowhere near ready for reconciliation if that's his attitude in my honest opinion.
Full interview here: http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,14205_5223189,00.html

slicus ricus

slicus ricus wrote: »

That's a good question Dre, but what you really need to ask is: How long is a piece of string? If you can find an answer to that then the answer to your grudge question should appear obvious!;)

Half double the distace between the two ends.

DM_7

Deleted User wrote: »

Half double the distace between the two ends.

Hmmm, that answers the question. For them to reconcile they will have to double their efforts and meet half way.

ShawnRaven

DM-ICE wrote: »

Hmmm, that answers the question. For them to reconcile they will have to double their efforts and meet half way.

Neither of which will happen as Shawn is happy the way things are, and Bret is too stubborn.

DM_7

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Neither of which will happen as Shawn is happy the way things are, and Bret is too stubborn.

It certainly looks to be the case.

As you have said again and again. Shawn moved on. Bret can't for whatever reason.

ShawnRaven

DM-ICE wrote: »

Bret can't for whatever reason.

It's a double edged sword. In 12 years, Bret has lost his younger brother, had his career terminated, suffered a stroke, lost both his parents, been through two divorces, and that's really only the tip of the iceberg.

Problem is, as much as all that sucks, he can't blame all that on Shawn.

I'm sure he'd love to put Montreal 97 behind him, but it's still a point brought up in interviews, and given the buildup to that event, Bret can't help but take the shots at Shawn. He'd be better off just answering that question with "This one has been done to death, next question please" at interviews

OrtonViper

Shawn denied knowing about the "screwjob" when Bret asked him after it happened. Then Shawn says he did know about it? That's an honest question.

If someone boxed you in the face you you forgive him, or would you want him to apologize first?

ShawnRaven

OrtonViper wrote: »

Shawn denied knowing about the "screwjob" when Bret asked him after it happened. Then Shawn says he did know about it? That's an honest question.

Shawn followed an order from his boss, something Bret wouldn't do.

If someone boxed you in the face you you forgive him, or would you want him to apologize first?

I would want him to apologise, i don't think Bret ever apologised to Shawn for his backstage attack in 1997 though.

OrtonViper

ShawnRaven wrote: »

I would want him to apologise, i don't think Bret ever apologised to Shawn for his backstage attack in 1997 though.

An eye for an eye.

ShawnRaven

OrtonViper wrote: »

An eye for an eye.

By your logic, then Shawn got even in Montreal and Bret should get the f*ck over it!

OrtonViper

I guess, but we can't know how Bret feels about the situation. It was a massive rivalry, it was basically USA vs. Canada to a certain degree. It was in his home, it was his last ever fight in WWE. He was set to win but he was screwed out of it. I also don't think Earl Hebner gets near enough stick about it either.

ShawnRaven

OrtonViper wrote: »

I guess, but we can't know how Bret feels about the situation. It was a massive rivalry, it was basically USA vs. Canada to a certain degree. It was in his home, it was his last ever fight in WWE. He was set to win but he was screwed out of it. I also don't think Earl Hebner gets near enough stick about it either.

It was the second biggest PPV of the year, all the storylines were built around Shawn to get the belt and Bret to get lost. Bret gets uppidy and decides he doesn't want to do business over a childish comment Shawn said (just so those reading know, i'm not absolving Shawn from anything), but Bret shouldn't have stooped further if he was the professional he claimed to be.

But he did, and his boss f*cked him for it. How else did Bret honestly think it was going to end? Through reason? That went out the window when Bret decided to play the creative control card.

slicus ricus

OrtonViper wrote: »

I also don't think Earl Hebner gets near enough stick about it either.

Why should he get stick for it? Or why should anyone involved get stick for it? Fact of the matter is, Bret wouldn't do what was right for business and drop the belt before he left for WCW despite being asked to do so by Vince. Vince decided Bret was going to drop the belt whether he agreed to do so or not. He asked Shawn and Earl to make sure it happened, they did what their boss (the guy who paid their wages, gave them the opportunity to live their dream, and made them famous) told them to and made it happen.

Given the rivalry that was going on with WCW, it would have been pure madness to allow Bret leave Montreal with the belt that night - for all we know, Turner and Bischoff could have been paying Bret to bring the belt over and throw it in a bin like Madusa did!

At the end of day, Shawn did what was right ofr business and that's why he is able to move on. Bret did not and ultimately got his come-up-ance and is bitter about it and won't move on.

OrtonViper

First of all Earl siad he'd never do something like that to Bret, a man is only as good as his word.

Also Bret said he'd either drop the belt to Shawn or Forfeit the strap on Raw the next night. And anyone who believes he would of brought the belt to WCW is a down right fool.

ShawnRaven

OrtonViper wrote: »

First of all Earl siad he'd never do something like that to Bret, a man is only as good as his word.

Again, following the bosses orders because Bret wouldn't. Hebner is a bit of a nutjob though. He has said on shoot interview that he'd do it again if he was put in that position, and then told Bret that he regretted it.

Also Bret said he'd either drop the belt to Shawn or Forfeit the strap on Raw the next night. And anyone who believes he would of brought the belt to WCW is a down right fool.

Money does weird sh*t to people. And Vince was paranoid to hell, and rightfully so as people have sworn blind to him before that they were with him and then left for WCW at the drop of a hat.

If a man is only as good as his word, what does that make Bret then given the things he said, say i dunno, HIS WEDDING DAY perhaps?

slicus ricus

OrtonViper wrote: »

First of all Earl siad he'd never do something like that to Bret, a man is only as good as his word.

He did what his boss told him, the fact that Bret was involved was merely incidental. When it came down to it, the aim was to make sure the belt was with someone who was with Vince and at that time it was very much a with us or against us scenario. If it had been anyone else, Vince would have done the same thing - People seem to think that just because it's Bret, it must have been some sort of conspiracy or something!

OrtonViper wrote: »

Also Bret said he'd either drop the belt to Shawn or Forfeit the strap on Raw the next night. And anyone who believes he would of brought the belt to WCW is a down right fool.

Again, at the time, Vince considered people associated with WCW against him. People had let him down and betrayed him by that point so I think it's reasonable that he didn't trust Bret at that time. Hell, if he wouldn't do the right thing in Montreal, how can you trust that he would do the right thing the next night? I would have never thought that Madusa would have done a thing like bring the belt to Nitro so you just never know! Either way, Vince wasn't prepared to leave it to chance and why would he when the competition were in a position to potentially put him out of business!

chopperbyrne

Bischoff has said that he wouldn't have let Bret bring any WWF belt on to WCW programming due to the lawsuit after the Medusa incident.

Turner would have been sued for a lot of money and Bischoff would have taken the fall.