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The Poker Room

If you have been in the new Poker Room in Celbridge you will hopefully have noticed the selection of 2009 Irish Open pictures that we have on both floors of the club.

My company has teamed up with Tommy Lakes photography to supply Poker pictures to individuals and poker venues in Europe.

I have been playing Poker for almost 20 years have played with the biggest names in the business but I don't have one picture to show fo it, hence my idea for the business.

We had our first event at The Irish Open and we also took pics of the "Best of Boards" event last Friday. We will also be at J.P Masters this weekend.

We have just launched our new web-site http://www.internationalpokerpics.com

So two things If you log on and have a look at events you can have a look at Pictures of both these events that havn't been seen before or I would like some feedback on the web-site itself. As you will see its not finished but you will get the idea, If you click on event you can see our pics so far.

We have just spent 5k on new camera equipment so we are looking for even better images in the future.

If your intrested in any of the pics you can P.M me but I am really just looking for some feedback.

Many Thanks Ross.

cardrooms

I have 14 canvas prints on the walls in my club, Red 14 Poker Club and they make the room look great. Half are black and white pics of pro's and the other half are coloured pictures of our chips and cards. They certainly take away from the plainess of the wall.

I hope your new business flourishes and I will add a link to your site from mine once I get my links page set up. www.cardrooms.ie

Anthony

Donkathon

Is there not some legal isues you might need to address??? as i'm sure by playing the events it must be somewhere in writing that your picture may be taken and used by the organisers but are you covered by this as a 3rd party? You know the americans can get pretty p*ssed off about pictures of them being sold without there permission

cardrooms

I think you could be right but if you take a picture of an american playing poker in Ireland, he couldn't make a case of it in USA as the picture was taken in Ireland.

Donkathon

think it could get messy though without people giving permission or being told whats happening with the pictures

cardrooms

I know where you are coming from. My friend would do a lot of artwork design for me and all I here from his is thats copyright, this is copyright. But I don't think that anyone could sit down in an International poker tournament and expect no pictures to be taken so I think your business here should be ok. Even if someone did try to do you for some sort of copyright, think of the exposure.

The Poker Room

We have been granted permission by the event organiser to take photographs at the event. As the photographer you own the rights to your pictures.

If someone asked us to remove their picture from our web-site or our Card Club we would out of courtesy but legally that's what we believe is the entitlement.

Until its challenged in court and we defend it who knows but from all the precedencee I have read the Photograph is the property of the photographer.

In general all the feedback that I have had from people who have viewed the pics in large format in the club has been very positive and they usually want to buy their own image, not remove it.

VoodooDonkey

The legal position would primarily depend on the location.
If the picture is taken in a public place
than the photographer would be able to benefit from his work.

The main sticking point in an Irish context would be that
many tournaments are technically private events.
For example the Paddy Power Irish Open is run under the banner of
The Merrion Club which is a private members club,
which although no longer operational is still a legal entity.
Thus taking an individuals picture whilst he was playing the IO
would be an invasion of his privacy as he is not in a public place.

Obviously this can be overcome if the organisers insert a clause
in the terms & conditions of entry to the tournament
allowing them to use images taken at the event for commercial purposes.
The photographer could then act as an agent of the organisers
or on his own behalf by agreement with the organiser.

miju

I think most people would like pics of themselves etc. Personally I think the site looks quick and clean design wise.

And I really wanna know who the sexy bastard is in photo A-1 of the boards challenge

Ollieboy

VoodooDonkey wrote: »

The legal position would primarily depend on the location.
If the picture is taken in a public place
than the photographer would be able to benefit from his work.

The main sticking point in an Irish context would be that
many tournaments are technically private events.
For example the Paddy Power Irish Open is run under the banner of
The Merrion Club which is a private members club,
which although no longer operational is still a legal entity.
Thus taking an individuals picture whilst he was playing the IO
would be an invasion of his privacy as he is not in a public place.

Obviously this can be overcome if the organisers insert a clause
in the terms & conditions of entry to the tournament
allowing them to use images taken at the event for commercial purposes.
The photographer could then act as an agent of the organisers
or on his own behalf by agreement with the organiser.

Yep agree with the above statement. I think people need to be careful taken pictures of people and than showing them on websites etc. Some people like to keep there poker playing private from partners or work etc. I feel you should be asking for permission before printing any picture of any player from any private event, which covers all poker events.

I know a player from this forum who force a site to withdraw his image when it was used incorrectly and he got compensation for it in the end.

off course most people dont care. Its only when the image is used. I also hate tournaments that stick in that clause.

miju

From DigitalRights.ie wrote:

Photographing on Public or Private Property?

In general, you are entitled to take pictures of anything you wish, when in a public place. You may take pictures of private property, people, or anything else you fancy.

On private property, you are also generally allowed to take photographs, provided you have permission to be on the property.

However, the owner may impose conditions on your entry to the property, which may include a complete ban on photography, a ban on photography of certain things, or a ban on certain types of photography (eg, flash photography, video photography etc).

Your Subject’s Rights

Can the subject of a photo prevent you from publishing it? Most of the caselaw in Ireland has centred on the misuse of celebrity images to imply an endorsement of a commercial good or service. This is dealt with by the courts, in general under the normal rules covering passing off. So, if the subject’s image might be worth money if used in an advertisement or as part of a product endorsement, they have a right to protect the income flowing from that, as a property right.

But what about the rest of the world, who don’t make their fortunes by assuring the world that, as Hollywood millionaires, they choose only the finest home-bottle hair-dyes to colour their hair? As the actor Gordon Kaye found out, when he was photographed by an interviewer whilst recovering from a serious head injury in hospital, there’s not much anyone can do to prevent you from publishing your photos. Provided your photographs are genuine, even if they would bring the subject down in the eyes of society, they’re not libellous.

Up to now, the right to privacy has been largely determined by a mixture of Constitutional rights, and ECHR caselaw - the Minister for Justice has previously said that the private interactions of a person - even in a public place - may be covered by the right to privacy - for example, while doing the shopping, or meeting a friend for coffee. But, once the interactions become public - at an awards ceremony, or waving from the podium at the Olympic Games you lose that right to privacy. It may be hoped that the forthcoming Privacy Bill will clear up these issues, but for now, it is generally safe to presume that you can publish your photographs, unless your subject was in a situation where a reasonable person would believe that they’d brought their ‘portable sphere of privacy’ out with them.

In short, your subject can object to the publication of photos of them if: The photographs are untrue - they’ve been altered in some way, to show something that isn’t the case; The photographs are interfering with the subject’s commercial endorsement business; The photographs are tortiously violating the subject’s privacy.

The last option is still not entirely clear, but use common sense and remember the hypothetical “reasonable person”, and you shouldn’t go too far wrong.

As I said already I think this is a nice little idea and could well take off to a certain extent.

Perfect fit

You see realisticly if you go on to buy a photo, your not going to buy a framed photo of randomguy22 from boards, the site is more aimed at the people in the photos. Some people want pictures of themselves be it in jpeg format or a framed picture the size of there house. Either way all the photos taken at any such event that grants me a media pass can be displayed on my own personal photography site and our poker photography site. The rights to the images belong to myself, if jamie gold comes along and says hey i like that picture of me, he would have to buy it the same as anyone else. Just because you are in a photo does not give you any rights to it unless the photo is being used as an advertisment without consent then and only then are you infringing on someones identity rights etc.

I have been doing photography for 4 years now pretty much as a full time job, i do alot of sporting and music events, a great example is recently i was invited by a well known band to shoot there concert, shot it, they loved the pics, but they had to pay myself for the rights to the images so that they could use them.

Photography rights is always a shady area and until a specific law is passed to deal with it people will always disagree, but as it stands all image rights belong to the photographer, unless used for commercial advertiing use, but we wont be putting any of ye' on a billboard just yet:p

To reiterate - photos not available for commercial companies to buy for pittens and use in a multimillion euro advertising campaign, the website will be a photo database where people can check out photos of themselves and friends playing poker and there is frames available for anyone that does wish to print it. No ones image rights are being infringed unless used for advertising.

Zulu

Jesus I'm glad I didn't go now.

I'd hate for someone to take my photo, without my permission, then publically publish that photo of me, without my permission, for profit. Without my permission.

A bit fu(kin ignorant if you ask me.

Are these people entitled to modeling fees? I wonder is it ok to take pictures of models without their consent?

smurph

Zulu wrote: »

Jesus I'm glad I didn't go now.

I'd hate for someone to take my photo, without my permission, then publically publish that photo of me, without my permission, for profit. Without my permission.

A bit fu(kin ignorant if you ask me.

Are these people entitled to modeling fees? I wonder is it ok to take pictures of models without their consent?

Actually the Modelling agencies around the whole of da norzide of Dublin are on the hunt for the guy below.
Im not sure if they got his good side though :rolleyes::rolleyes:

kakak1

smurph wrote: »

Actually the Modelling agencies around the whole of da norzide of Dublin are on the hunt for the guy below.
Im not sure if they got his good side though :rolleyes::rolleyes:

probably not he's sitting on it

tylerdurden94

I think its a nice little idea, hope it goes well for you's. Site looks good well layed out easy to navigate.

scheister

i like the idea alright. ya always have that time you like a pic to remember it but ya cant exectly take a camera on in the middle of a game and ask some randomer and player to take a pic of the moment. only thing i would ask will be be picking random times that you think suit or if someones asked ya will ya take requests so to speak

Adrock-aka

Novel and quite viable at the same time, best of luck with this! Massive increase in people in the last few years taking on poker passionately as a hobby/extra earner/job. I imagine many people would pay for this service as a result. I wouldnt spend huge money over several years on training, learning, making good friends and notching up countless hours on the felt and then ignore this service.

Pro poker players or really good players who think a lot of themselves cant be too upset if their image is legally obtained through the sponsor of an event and sold to whoever for whatever reasons. The media has made popular players what they are today through promoting their image and ability through TV/magazines etc. They can hardly bite the hand that fed them and got them to where they are. Same for moviestars who hate the papparazo, cry me a river.

As for people who just seriously hate having their image used for personal reasons or because of a weird high held photo orientated set of principles.... well there will be a few but they'l be a huge minority. I dont know anyone who would object myself.

A release waiver built into the event registration signing or something could probably be introduced to smooth out potential technicalities.

The site is good. If you could introduce a facebook type picture view where you can simply click on the picture to see the next one that might be good.


''Are these people entitled to modeling fees? I wonder is it ok to take pictures of models without their consent?''

Ever read a tabloid or sunday paper? seen the news? been on the internet? Of course you can.

cooker3

I like the idea. The photos are good quality and I like how the photos popup instead opening a new page.

The Poker Room

Poker Pics from J.P masters now available to view on http://www.internationalpokerpics.com

If you wish your image removed form this web-site please contact Tommy at the contact page and he will remove you ASAP.

Also if you wish Poker pics at your event contact Tommy at the web-site to arrange it.

The Poker Room

Nicky Power won cash and a cheque. Double Power. Look at the Pic.

Nicky told me at least 9 times he didn't know what he was doing at the Omaha Tournament. Hmm. Angle Shooter me thinks.

nicnicnic

The Poker Room wrote: »

Nicky Power won cash and a cheque. Double Power. Look at the Pic.

Nicky told me at least 9 times he didn't know what he was doing at the Omaha Tournament. Hmm. Angle Shooter me thinks.

petty sure it was only 7 times;)