Hardcore training

Turlock

Hi,
I've been doing weights and a bit of cardio for the last while now (~1 year) and although going well I'm looking to step it up for a short period.

Is there anywhere in Dublin that'd do hardcore training at 7am every morning?
I want to cut a load of fat over a short period so along with a great diet (which I'm not really doing now) I want to train hard to make the most out of it.

Any ideas?

Hanley

Are you just looking for a gym that's open at 7am? Or one with classes and stuff?

Turlock

sorry yeah meant one with classes, I did circuits before in a gym I was in and the instructor was top class pushing you really really hard. Found that great so hoping to find somewhere similar with tough classes (not classes full of 50 yo aul ones )

I'm living on the south side but work in city centre...

Colm_OReilly

Have you considered CrossFit?

The Davestator

Might be too far / not starting soon enough but Peak health in Bray are running a bootcamp class starting June 1st. Mon, wed & Fri, 6.30 am - 7.30 am.

MagicMarker

How much is a load of fat and how short is a short period?

Turlock

MagicMarker wrote: »

How much is a load of fat and how short is a short period?

Probably looking to lose a stone or two, short period would be 1 or 2 months. Would be trying to do a big cut over this period then back off on the effort

I do weights at the moment so it'd be body fat I'm trying to loose over actual weight. I'm currently playing 3 hours of astro 5 a side footie a week which I find great but I'm looking to step it up a bit.

aye

Turlock wrote: »

sorry yeah meant one with classes, I did circuits before in a gym I was in and the instructor was top class pushing you really really hard. Found that great so hoping to find somewhere similar with tough classes (not classes full of 50 yo aul ones )

I'm living on the south side but work in city centre...

If you like circuits, I teach a class on Wednesday nights in Kilmacud Community Centre at 7:30pm, and starting on Mondays in St Jude's GAA club in Templeogue.
PM me if you want details.

If it has to be in the morning then.....

Colm_OReilly wrote: »

Have you considered CrossFit?

Transform

Turlock wrote: »

Hi,
I've been doing weights and a bit of cardio for the last while now (~1 year) and although going well I'm looking to step it up for a short period.

Is there anywhere in Dublin that'd do hardcore training at 7am every morning?
I want to cut a load of fat over a short period so along with a great diet (which I'm not really doing now) I want to train hard to make the most out of it.

Any ideas?

current diet?

Turlock

Transform wrote: »

current diet?

It's bad but I do really good periods and then tend to fall off the band wagon for a few weeks then back to really good.

The problem is that when I manage to get my diet good I want to make the most of my excercise

Here's a sample of my good diet, I am a picky eater (I know :rolleyes:) so find it tough to find non-fat tasty stuff

10am
Bowl of all-bran w/ semi skimmed milk plus 2 bananas
1pm
Brown sandwich with 2 boild eggs and 100g chicken (small bit of butter)
3pm
piece of fruit or something small
5pm Whey protein shake
7pm
Either 4 pieces of donegal catch in bread crumbs
or
200g of chicken in white boild rice with a small bit of sauce

I'd randomly have plain rice cakes to fill any gaps

As I've been focusing on more resistence than cardio I've built my diet around low fat with alot of protein...


What do people think of this?

I'll have a goo into crossfit!

Transform

you have built your diet around lots of excess carbs and bugger all good quality veg!!!

breakfast - all carbs (2 bananas, why, your not training right away!!)

Snacks - need to see some nuts and fruit there but no sweet fruit

Lunch - no veg and i would drop the bread if you want to drop the weight

Dinner - the battered fish is not exactly the food of champions is it?

Diet needs abig overhaul - you do not need hardcore you need get the basics right and consistently.

Turlock

Thanks a million Transform I really appreciate this coz I'm clueless when it comes to diet. Can you read below and comment for me?


breakfast - all carbs (2 bananas, why, your not training right away!!)
So All Bran on its own is ok?

Snacks - need to see some nuts and fruit there but no sweet fruit
Can you name a few non-sweet fruits? Are the Rice cakes ok?
What nuts should I be eating? Cashews?

Lunch - no veg and i would drop the bread if you want to drop the weight
Even though it's just two slices? I'm thinking of changing for basmati rice with 200g chicken and a small bit of sauce how about that?

Dinner - the battered fish is not exactly the food of champions is it?
The fat content / protein values are good as it's bread crumbs instead of actual batter. Would that be ok? Could you give me a couple of examples for main dinners that would have minimum of veg (:rolleyes:)?

As I don't eat veg I'm thinking of blending up my daily requirement of broccoli with juice/water and then just downing it, any thoughts?

Oh and I take a pharmaton everyday, is there any point?

floggg

Not sure about All Bran (stuff used to make me gag as a kid, although i loved bran flakes for some strange reason) but you can't look past porridge. Good healthy breakfast, low fat, no additives, fills you up till lunch time.

As for the bread, if you want to shift the weight, cut it out. And don't replace it with rice, especially not white rice. if you're serious about weight loss, you should cut back on the carbs, and avoid white carbs like white pasta/rice/bread.

Any unsalted unroasted nuts are good - cashews can be a bit bland, but i love brazil nuts, hazel nuts and almonds. Experiment, see which you like. Then again, you can't look past a mixed bag!

As for the veg, suck it up man! I don't buy this picky eater thing, you just haven't trained your palette! There's losts of tasty veg out there, and lots of ways to cook it too. Again, experiment and see what you like, but there really is no excuse. If it helps to start you off, you could try cooking up stir frys with some sauce on top to give it some flavour, and cut back on the sauces over time.

Read throught the stickies for more on nutrition. they're is some great stuff in there. ultimately, it will be up to you to experiment a bit and figure out what foods you like and don't like, and how you want to structure your diet. but if you're serious about dropping body fat, you'll have to fix the diet though. you really can't out train a bad diet.

And listen to transform. He knows stuff.

PS - the veg smoothie - not a good idea.

(a) likely to be rank
(b) it would need to be a very big smoothie to ge enough in
(c) you need to spread your veg intake throughout the day. its food, not a vitamin tab. 5 small meals a day is the way to go for weight loss, made up of lots of protein and veg

ronbyrne2005

Porridge in morning. More lean protein. Fish fillets with no breadcrumbs. Oily fish. more fibre, more vitamins from low sugar fruit and veg. All bran is not a great breakfast. Also measure how much rice you are consuming even if it's a healthier rice like wild brown or basmati, many people overeat these carbs. Keep a food diary for a week and work out your calorie intake, protein intake etc/ If you are playing 3 hours 5 a aside football a week along with weights and are still carrying 2 stone fat it's likely your diet thats the problem.

Colm_OReilly

First of all, fat is good for you, so stop looking for low-fat.

Yes, the bread isn't doing you any favours, cut it out. The rice too, preferably. Bran is like running a brillo pad through your gut. Don't eat it.

Donegal catch still isn't the best. Bread isn't good for you, at all. So breadcrumbs ain't good for you.

For nuts, brazils, macademias, almonds - these are all good for you. Cashews have a higher carb content so I'd advise leaving them out or eating them more sparingly.

And you need to start eating veg.

We get so many clients in that want to increase their numbers in training, and are willing to try all sort of supplementary training to get better. The ones that do get better are always the one that tackle their diet.

cowzerp

Colm_OReilly wrote: »

Bran is like running a brillo pad through your gut. Don't eat it.

Thats the whole point!
it helps remove waste products left behind in your intestines that can stay there and rot causing all sorts of problems to your body, do eat it.

The rest of the advise in the same post was spot on though.

Colm_OReilly

You know what else is healthy fibre? - vegetable matter.

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/a-cautionary-tale-of-mucus-fore-and-aft/ - Interesting perspective on 'fibre'

Granted I'll give you the whole subject is highly debated, however, man survived and thrived for millenia before they ever ate Bran.

cowzerp

Colm_OReilly wrote: »

You know what else is healthy fibre? - vegetable matter.

http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike/uncategorized/a-cautionary-tale-of-mucus-fore-and-aft/ - Interesting perspective on 'fibre'

Granted I'll give you the whole subject is highly debated, however, man survived and thrived for millenia before they ever ate Bran.

Agreed that fibre can be got else where and in old times it would of been through diets of mainly fruit and nuts, and the occasional meat that could be used through hunting or when the farmed animal was ready to eat.

People simply dont eat that much fruit now and eat processed gunk that means its more important to flush it out than would have been an issue in days gone by.

Killme00

Stupid Question time:

What are sweet and non sweet fruits? What are the benefits of each and how would they effect the OPs diet?

Why do some people have sugar with their Banana?

Thanks

aye

Killme00 wrote: »

Stupid Question time:

What are sweet and non sweet fruits? What are the benefits of each and how would they effect the OPs diet?

This article should answer that for you:

http://www.fredericpatenaude.com/fruit-article.html

Killme00 wrote: »

Why do some people have sugar with their Banana?

Thanks

I've never seen that, at a guess it cos they don't like banana's but still wanna say they ate fruit. putting sugar on it kinda defeats the purpose lol.

Turlock

Wow, didn't realise my diet was that bad. I'll have have a look into getting into some mixed nuts and see what I can do about eating veg.

Do you reckon I should notice that I'd have a bit more energy if I get my diet right?

Transform

IF you get your diet right!!!

Please rephrase that to when.

It will make a big difference to everything

ApeXaviour

cowzerp wrote: »

Agreed that fibre can be got else where and in old times it would of been through diets of mainly fruit and nuts, and the occasional meat that could be used through hunting

It was a lot more than occasional. Nuts and fruit are both seasonal. Other vegetation (wild edibles) are pretty darn low in calories. In order to survive (through the winter say) a paleolithic human would have had to eat mostly meat. Granted they wouldn't have just stuck to the muscle like we do, but the brain, bone marrow (rich source of omega 3), internal organs and all the fat lining the above (actually consisting heavily of monunsaturated fat, like olive oil).

Turlock

Here I tried porridge in work today even stuck in a bit of honey for taste.

My god the stuff was disgusting, like warm thin milk with lumps the consistency of snot in it. Is that normal or should it be ok? I was literally wretching a bit

Work in a big company in town so we have a staff restaurant so it was handy...

Turlock

Right, doing a bit on my diet (really trying!!!) and looking for a bit more advice.

I've started eating veg consistenting of brocolli, peppers and carrots so far.
Also I've got myself a couple of bags of mixed nuts to snack on.

I'm also eating porridge in the morning with a drop of honey, the cheapo one in work is a bit horrbile but I'm powering through till I get a bit of ready brek (or can someone recommend a nicer one?)

What I'm wondering about is portions, for brocolli I looked up what a portion was on google and I'm happy enough with that but is eating the majority of my veg portion as brocolli ok? I normally have a pepper or carrot or something aswell but the majority is brocolli. I'm also getting a couple of portions of fruit in a day.

How much mixed nuts should I eat a day?

Oh and at the mo I'm 15 stone if that helps decide the portions...

Thanks for the help so far, never thought I'd ever eat veg of any kind so big change for me!!!

ApeXaviour

Turlock wrote: »

I'm also eating porridge in the morning with a drop of honey, the cheapo one in work is a bit horrbile but I'm powering through till I get a bit of ready brek (or can someone recommend a nicer one?)

I don't know why exactly, but (after trying both beside eachother) flahavans organic porridge tastes noticibly better than their regular brand.



Really watch the portion size for porridge though, it's still quite starchy.

Turlock wrote: »

What I'm wondering about is portions, for brocolli I looked up what a portion was on google and I'm happy enough with that but is eating the majority of my veg portion as brocolli ok? I normally have a pepper or carrot or something aswell but the majority is brocolli. I'm also getting a couple of portions of fruit in a day.

Brocolli I think you can safely eat as much as you want (once you don't drown it in butter/oil/cheese etc. if you're trying to lose weight). And if any veg had at to be the majority of your veg portion it'd be broccoli. Great stuff all together. Best way to cook it is to steam it for just a short period of time. Microwave also works. I chuck it in a tuppaware box with two tablespoons of water for 2 mins (lid resting on top unsealed).

How much mixed nuts should I eat a day?

Most nuts (not peanuts which are legumes and quite crap for you because they inhibit mineral absorption) are quite good for you and have an excellent fat profile. This is especially true of walnuts. However they're calorically dense, so if you're trying to lose weight eat them sparingly. I'd still say eat them though, because a small amount can keep you full for extended periods of time. Your stomach will be slow to be satisfied by them (it won't realise until you start absorbing the fats) so have a couple and wait 20 mins, if you're still hungry then have a couple more.

Turlock wrote: »

Thanks for the help so far, never thought I'd ever eat veg of any kind so big change for me!!!

Fair play to you I never ate veg really at all before I was 24, now i love most of them. Mixed salad leaves are also a good one btw. A common meal for me would be a bed of baby spinach, rocket lettuce etc. Fry up some chicken/pork/beef, diced or minced in some spices (or worster sauce) and throw it on the leaves with a bit of balsamic vinegar, perhaps a dash of olive oil. If you need a bit of sweetness in there, a chopped apple or a mandarin works a charm.

Colm_OReilly

If you hate porridge, eat eggs for breakfast.

You'd find it very hard to overdose on brocolli, so enjoy.

You might want into look into www.zonediet.info

If that's too much info and marketing hype on that site, http://library.crossfit.com/free/pdf/15_03_Nutrition_Full_Issue.pdf and http://library.crossfit.com/free/pdf/cfjissue21_May04.pdf might help.

Turlock

Brilliant thanks folks, think I was eating about 100g of mixed nuts in a go so I'll cut down a bit on that.

I'll try that porridge, I'm definitely coming round to it but the one here is very poor.

I'm 27 now and only starting to eat the veg and tbh it's actually quite a nice change from eating the crap that I used to.

I'll be back with an update in a couple of weeks! (aswell hopefully with a progress on my weight, bf % and bmi in general )

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OP

for something nice and healthy for breakfast try

oats with natural yoghurt (low fat?) and rasberries and then some honey, its really really tasty, i use to eat loads of porridge but i got sick of it so it was good for a change

i use to eat nuts but the fact that they're unsalted was a bridge too far after a while, i just got sick of them, it was like eating cardboard, i just eat loads of apples and pears now

joker77

Thanks for the tips Transforma and Colm.

My training routine has gone to sh*t over the last while, and I'd like to start a new routine, but I think the first thing I have to do is sort the diet out again so cheers for the tips and articles.