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cant get dole if fired from/left last job

  • 05-05-2009 12:32pm
    #1
    Sowra
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭


    does anyone know the situation in getting jobseekers allowance if you are let go from your job?

    if you are fired (misconduct) can you not get it?

    how about if you leave your job?

    any info would be great thanks


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  • #2
    GerardKeating
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,806 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    Sowra wrote: »
    does anyone know the situation in getting jobseekers allowance if you are let go from your job?

    if you are fired (misconduct) can you not get it?

    how about if you leave your job?

    any info would be great thanks

    If you leave or are sack for cause, you do not get the dole for the fir st six weeks or so...


  • #3
    NOGMaxpower
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,022 ✭✭✭NOGMaxpower


    its 8 weeks btw :)

    bad buzz dude


  • #4
    IT Loser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭IT Loser


    How do they know either way?

    Chap walks in with a P45, and says the job ended....the Welfare are none the wiser.

    Chap walks in without a P45, like I did, and they only asked me for the name of my former employer.

    As it happens, my old job was ended by mutual consent- they had run out of work and I was sort of looking to get a start elsewhere.

    In those circumstances, I did not quit and they did not fire me. It just sort of petered out.


  • #5
    GerardKeating
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,806 ✭✭✭GerardKeating


    IT Loser wrote: »
    How do they know either way?.

    Chap walks in with a P45, and says the job ended....the Welfare are none the wiser.

    Same way they catch any fraudulent claim, they can check the facts..

    For example, if 50 people from the same factory all arrive on the same day, they might figure out it closed down, esp if covered in the local media.

    Or is someone arrives with a claim and is the only person let go, they could also ASK...
    IT Loser wrote: »
    Chap walks in without a P45, like I did, and they only asked me for the name of my former employer.

    As it happens, my old job was ended by mutual consent- they had run out of work and I was sort of looking to get a start elsewhere.

    In those circumstances, I did not quit and they did not fire me. It just sort of petered out.


  • #6
    IT Loser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭IT Loser


    Fraudulent?

    In my case, the job was due to end imminently.

    I just asked for and got my papers a bit sooner.

    As it happens- they didnt even have any papers for me and did not have them until several weeks later.

    Despite this, the job was due to end imminently, as I say. The house was built, and the owners were basically moving in. All over bar the shouting. But technically, it was me who asked to be let go.


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  • #7
    Xiney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Xiney


    He wasn't calling you a fraudster ffs, he was just answering your question about "how they would know either way"

    ie, because they can make a phone call and ask.

    With that said, if you have a good REASON for leaving a job voluntarily (ie, bullying) they're ok with you leaving, especially if you're upfront with them.


  • #8
    IT Loser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭IT Loser


    Xiney wrote: »
    He wasn't calling you a fraudster ffs, he was just answering your question about "how they would know either way"

    ie, because they can make a phone call and ask.

    With that said, if you have a good REASON for leaving a job voluntarily (ie, bullying) they're ok with you leaving, especially if you're upfront with them.

    I know that {FFS} which is why I started the 2nd sentence with the words "IN MY CASE"...thus distinguishing MY CASE from the HYPO we were discussing.


  • #9
    patrickc
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,972 ✭✭✭patrickc


    come on you to no need for the FFS's , discuss the issue by all means without the aggro.


    Thanks

    Patrick


  • #10
    IT Loser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭IT Loser


    patrickc wrote: »
    come on you to no need for the FFS's , discuss the issue by all means without the aggro.


    Thanks

    Patrick

    I put mine in brackets so as to illustrate that very point.^^


  • #11
    Sowra
    Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭Sowra


    Xiney wrote: »
    He wasn't calling you a fraudster ffs, he was just answering your question about "how they would know either way"

    ie, because they can make a phone call and ask.

    With that said, if you have a good REASON for leaving a job voluntarily (ie, bullying) they're ok with you leaving, especially if you're upfront with them.


    if I was sacked/left because of bullying would I have to prove that to them? like would I have to have made an official complaint


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  • #12
    dresden8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,290 ✭✭✭dresden8


    Sowra wrote: »
    if I was sacked/left because of bullying would I have to prove that to them? like would I have to have made an official complaint

    They will look at the facts. One of which might be, have you taken a case against them?


  • #13
    cee_jay
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,920 ✭✭✭cee_jay


    Social Welfare can, and do (depending on the case of course), send a form to your last employer, on which one of the questions is basically, why has this person lost their job.


  • #14
    Xiney
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,085 ✭✭✭Xiney


    Sowra wrote: »
    if I was sacked/left because of bullying would I have to prove that to them? like would I have to have made an official complaint

    I don't know about bullying specifically, and I don't know if things have changed now that there are so many people signing on.

    However, in my case, I left because the job wasn't a good fit to start with and the final straw came when the job asked me to (essentially) commit fraud. I just told the interviewing officer my story and she was very helpful (I was pretty upset over the whole thing). I also had all the cover letters I'd written to jobs (one dated the week after I started the job - basically I'd started looking for a new job within days of taking the one I had, though I managed to last a bit over two months). She didn't ask to see them but I had them as proof that I'd been looking to jump ship but hadn't been able to.


  • #15
    chasm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,124 ✭✭✭chasm


    About 7 years ago i left a job because of issues with one of my bosses- Made my job extremelydifficult for me after i returned from sick leave- I went to social welfare and told them the truth and was put on UB, no hassle but having said that i was on BTWA at the time.
    Things may have changed now, they may be alot more stringent due to the rising number of unemployed.
    I have always found honesty was the best policy to be honest.


  • #16
    IT Loser
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,311 ✭✭✭IT Loser


    Xiney wrote: »
    I don't know about bullying specifically, and I don't know if things have changed now that there are so many people signing on.

    However, in my case, I left because the job wasn't a good fit to start with and the final straw came when the job asked me to (essentially) commit fraud. I just told the interviewing officer my story and she was very helpful (I was pretty upset over the whole thing). I also had all the cover letters I'd written to jobs (one dated the week after I started the job - basically I'd started looking for a new job within days of taking the one I had, though I managed to last a bit over two months). She didn't ask to see them but I had them as proof that I'd been looking to jump ship but hadn't been able to.


    There is such a thing as constructive dismissal. Basically, you can get boxed into a corner. Nobody ever fires you, and you dont quit either. You just get squeezed out.

    Examples would be: people being instructed not to speak to you, continuous ostracism, obstruction in the workplace, being requested to break the law, being left out of projects, etc.

    Constructive dismissal happens all the time and is a legally recognised form of dismissal.

    Once the law recognises something then the welfare should too.

    The first line of your post is something I can empathise with: some jobs are just a real bad fit to begin with. In my case, I have a safepass but the labourers jobs are just not a good fit. I am 30 now and have a 3rd level degree- its eating me alive that I am being worked to the bone for a fee that comes out at 100 euros more than the dole.

    Its good to see the welfare are finally looking at this thing in a more flexible fashion. Sometimes, jobs are over before they really get going.


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