nestle...

DCJR

why does the su boycott nestle?

ninty9er

Because students told it to by referendum.

Feyy

ninty9er wrote: »

Because students told it to by referendum.

For what reason?

Zeouterlimits

Feyy wrote: »

For what reason?

I'd assume it has to do with any number of these.

ninty9er

That's before my time I'm afraid, but it's generally to do with cruelly inhumane exploitation in Africa from what I gather. Any student can feel free to bring a referendum next year to overturn it.

This can be done by:

• Bringing a motion to Union General Meeting (UGM) proposed by 5 and seconded by 10 people. A referendum will be held if the motion passes
• Class Reps Council requsting a referendum
• By petition of 200 members of the Union

Motions for UGM must relate to either an existing policy or an article of the consititution.

kingkane

It was alleged that nestle were seeking to dump formula milk on mothers in poorer countries and discourage breatfeeding.

Of course whether they are still doing so or not is not something the students from the 90s are all that concerned about. Truth is that such referenda should have 5/10 year sunset clauses that would require them to be renewed if the original set of circumstances are still valid. Imagine that under the current rules if we had passed something to boycott South Africa because of Apartheid that it would still be there now unless it was overturned by another valid referendum. And we know how hard it is to get the vote out in UL

DJCR

kingkane wrote: »

It was alleged that nestle were seeking to dump formula milk on mothers in poorer countries and discourage breatfeeding.

Of course whether they are still doing so or not is not something the students from the 90s are all that concerned about. Truth is that such referenda should have 5/10 year sunset clauses that would require them to be renewed if the original set of circumstances are still valid. Imagine that under the current rules if we had passed something to boycott South Africa because of Apartheid that it would still be there now unless it was overturned by another valid referendum. And we know how hard it is to get the vote out in UL

This does occur.. every 2 years in fact.

However, instead of going to the whole student population each time asking them if they wish to contiue the policy or not..... Class Reps vote on whether to continue it or not.

In most case they do .... in others (Such as if the policy is out of date... or it clashes with another, or was consumed by another policy ie. the new policy has a clause representing the issue) they probably won't continue it.

With regard Nestle.... the problems havent changed and class reps have in subsequent years renewed the policy!

ninty9er

DJCR wrote: »

This does occur.. every 2 years in fact.

However, instead of going to the whole student population each time asking them if they wish to contiue the policy or not..... Class Reps vote on whether to continue it or not.

In most case they do .... in others (Such as if the policy is out of date... or it clashes with another, or was consumed by another policy ie. the new policy has a clause representing the issue) they probably won't continue it.

With regard Nestle.... the problems havent changed and class reps have in subsequent years renewed the policy!

Class Reps can only continue policy initiated at that level or below, they have no authority to remove or continue policies initiated by referendum.

the Grad Dip policy for example can be re-approved by class reps, Nestle or Alcohol Policy (general) cannot.

DJCR

ninty9er wrote: »

Class Reps can only continue policy initiated at that level or below, they have no authority to remove or continue policies initiated by referendum.

the Grad Dip policy for example can be re-approved by class reps, Nestle or Alcohol Policy (general) cannot.

True, whoops! :o:o:o

Definately needs to be reviewed.....

The way I would imagine it going is (Change Coming from inside the Union [Class Rep, Exec, Sabat]) - if general student feeling on a subject changed, a motion would be brought to class reps.

Class reps would vote on wether to strike the referendum result or not (As a guage for the student population of course - they of course have no power over referendum results)

If the result is to strike it, a new referendum would commence!!

CHANGE INITIATED FROM MEMBERS OF ULSU (General student population)

As we know anyone can put forward a motion to referendum.

Result = Referendum on!!!

[Class Reps would probably still have a chat on the subject - no vote though - just a laying out of the facts session so that if they are asked for info on it by their class they will have the answers]!!:D:D:D

bluedolphin

Just a correction to DJCR - King Kane is right on this one. The policy to boycott Nestlé came about as a result of a referendum and therefore can only be lifted subject to another referendum. It's the one type of policy that can only be altered or removed at this level. All other policies may only be amended or removed at the same (or higher) level of governance at which they were brought in (eg executive, council, general meeting). All policies (Except those enacted by referendum) have a lifespan of 3 years after which they can be extended by a decision making body (usually Council). There is no provision for the duration of policy enacted by referendum, it would appear to be everlasting, which is a flaw.

kingkane

bluedolphin wrote: »

Just a correction to DJCR - King Kane is right on this one. The policy to boycott Nestlé came about as a result of a referendum and therefore can only be lifted subject to another referendum. It's the one type of policy that can only be altered or removed at this level. All other policies may only be amended or removed at the same (or higher) level of governance at which they were brought in (eg executive, council, general meeting). All policies (Except those enacted by referendum) have a lifespan of 3 years after which they can be extended by a decision making body (usually Council). There is no provision for the duration of policy enacted by referendum, it would appear to be everlasting, which is a flaw.

The constitution could be altered by GM to establish a sunset clause on policy based referendums of say 5 years (longer than the duration of the stay of an undergraduate. It might also be worth having a consolidated referendum next year on all existing union policies either to reaffirm support for them or overturn them.

DJCR

kingkane wrote: »

It might also be worth having a consolidated referendum next year on all existing union policies either to reaffirm support for them or overturn them.

Hmmmm.... good idea, but that would take some amount of work informing everyone of the issues and the "issues with the issues" so to speak. I mean there are loads of policies.

Something does need to be done about it though!