Jack Lynch

kensutz

Does anyone think it's a disgrace that a child so young getting dragged into pubs as a publicity stunt?? I saw an ad in the Waterford People that he's in Harveys with Aslan and the times they give is 9-11pm. Also my mother just told me that he was supposedly in Dignity performing his dancing routine. I don't think it's right having a child at 6/7 years of age in a pub/late bar at that time of the night.

Cabaal

If he was in america it wouldn't actually be allowed to come onto the premises at do that at his age,

I;d agree its a disgrace and shows a complete disregard by the parents to be dragging a kid around to places so late and with so many drunk people.

JohnC.

I didn't think children were allowed in pubs here that late either. Although perhaps it is different because he is performing rather than a customer. But would that count as "work"? Because him "working" that late wouldn't be allowed either.

abouttobebanned

It's illegal. This is just a case of the law not being enforced, unless someone complained. Children are not allowed on a liciensed premised after 9pm.

robtri

i do agree that the kid shouldn't be out in pubs after the legal time minors to be off the premises has expired....

but please, no harm in the kid making money, it can go towards helping him out in the future, if he's got a bit of talent and people are willing to pay for it... go for it young man... make your money ....

j walsh

The blame is defo with the parents!!!!!!
They should be ashamed!!!!!!!!

Sully

Topic Cleaned.

Seriously, when posting have some consideration for what damage you could cause by making some of those remarks.

j walsh

Sorry Sully!!
IMO kids should not be allowed onto licensed premises after 9pm!!
working or otherwise.

Cabaal

Fair enough but in my personal view I don't think its suitable to have any kids in a pub or nightclub at that hour of night, I'm saying this based on my experience given my family owned a pub.

Aquos76

Sully, in all fairness, both comments which you edited should only be slightly changed to "in my opinion" rather than deleted, because in all fairness you have to ask yourself, if you were a parent, which I am by the way, would you allow yourself send your 8 year old child(which I also have too) out to pubs and venues like this to do this.

I can tell you that I certainly would not, and if I did I would not be a responsible parent.

Sully

Aquos76 wrote: »

Sully, in all fairness, both comments which you edited should only be slightly changed to "in my opinion" rather than deleted, because in all fairness you have to ask yourself, if you were a parent, which I am by the way, would you allow yourself send your 8 year old child(which I also have too) out to pubs and venues like this to do this.

I can tell you that I certainly would not, and if I did I would not be a responsible parent.

It doesnt really matter though, its still slanderous to the parents and could result in legal action against Boards. Iv asked for the admins to review it anyway. Id suggest you read over some of the threads located here which may guide you; http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1195

Feel free to discuss this over PM, but its out of my control what is and isnt allowed. It doesnt matter what we think either, its not going to change the situation.

gscully

Aquos76 wrote: »

Sully, in all fairness, both comments which you edited should only be slightly changed to "in my opinion" rather than deleted, because in all fairness you have to ask yourself, if you were a parent, which I am by the way, would you allow yourself send your 8 year old child(which I also have too) out to pubs and venues like this to do this.

I can tell you that I certainly would not, and if I did I would not be a responsible parent.

I'm a parent too and agree with you in principle, but we're not in the situation they're in.

So, I'm gonna look at this from another angle for a sec. The kid has a talent for dancing and is relatively well-known down here now. I've always held the opinion that you should allow your child to follow whatever path they choose (within reason) and then be there for them at all times to either help them if things go wrong, or to share in their delight if they go right. If playing at these clubs/pubs help develop the kid's talent and enthusiasm, and the parents are there with him to make sure he's well looked after, is there really any harm in it? I doubt the parents have any motive other than to ensure their child is happy doing what he's doing.

KingLoser

And pad their pockets with some shiny retirement gold. Kinda stink of those American beauty pageants off this.

But to be honest, If the kid wants to do it, if his parents are happy with letting him do it, and the punters are happy to pay money to see this kid... then... what's the problem really?

It's all a little "What about the children?!" for my liking...

Aquos76

I agree with you about if a child has a talent then everything should be done to help bring that child talent along, but these types of venues are not the proper arena for this to happen.
I'll give you an example of how a proper management company were seen to look after a minor who had excellent talent. Eoin Quigg, we all remember him, he was on X Factor, well he embarked on a tour of Ireland after the X Factor finished and his management company got him plenty of gigs around the Rep, but because of his age, these gigs could only take place in venues that held teen age events. He played in venues in Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford, and Carlow, and all were at teen age discos which only had mineral bars.

gscully

Aquos76 wrote: »

I agree with you about if a child has a talent then everything should be done to help bring that child talent along, but these types of venues are not the proper arena for this to happen.
I'll give you an example of how a proper management company were seen to look after a minor who had excellent talent. Eoin Quigg, we all remember him, he was on X Factor, well he embarked on a tour of Ireland after the X Factor finished and his management company got him plenty of gigs around the Rep, but because of his age, these gigs could only take place in venues that held teen age events. He played in venues in Waterford, Kilkenny, Wexford, and Carlow, and all were at teen age discos which only had mineral bars.

Fair point, but Eoin Quigg has had a lot more exposure already and he was put in those clubs confident that people would turn up to see him alone. The situation with Jack Lynch is different. He's not as well-known, so to put him on in a club may have led to embarrassment for the kid if sales were poor or non-existent. Plus, his stage act wouldn't last as long as Quigg's. So, putting him on for a 15 minute stint in a pub was the better option. Granted, the crowd weren't there to see him, but may instead have enjoyed his performance and may remember him in future. If that happens, then he has gained a little more exposure and confidence. Killing a child's confidence should be avoided at all costs.

Mossy Monk

I think it is outrageous that a child is allowed perform late at night in a licensed premises.

Cabaal

I#'ve no problem with Sully editing my post as I understand that libel laws in Ireland suck and boards needs to protect itself,

I've said my peace and based it on my own personal experience its not directed at Jack Lynch or her parents directly and is an overall observation of kids in pubs/clubs

Sully

Eoin Quigg wasnt allowed into the after show/events due to his age IIRC.

Sully

After consulting with the Smods on this, I have restored one edit and one post.

Making accusations against the family is over the line and such posts will be removed to ensure no harm is caused to Boards.ie legally.

j walsh

j walsh wrote: »

The blame is defo with the parents!!!!!!
They should be ashamed!!!!!!!!

I can see where your coming from with this quote sully with the legal side of things.
But it certainly wasn't meant as a personal attack on his parents as i don't know them.
I'm a parent myself and IMO there's other ways to get exposure for your son other than a late bar after 9pm.

Professey Chin

So we're all in agreement then. Eoghan Quigg is getting burned at the stake?

abouttobebanned

Eoghan Quigg was put into clubs to entertain kids his own age, at teenage discos where no alcohol was sold. Harveys had Jack Lynch performing for the students recently as well which meant that he didn't go on til after 11pm... Regardless of whether or not you think he has a talent that should be seen by people....i think it's amazing that Harveys are actually getting away this, especially when you see how strict the laws are about everything else you can't do in a night club in ireland.

WMT

imo it's a catch 22 situation
on one hand you have a very talented kid wishing to do what he does best
on the other hand he is too young (8 ) to be in a licensed premises after 9pm
but as posted in another thread recently, there is no other place in Waterford other than the pub to showcase your talents , if you're in the entertainment business....

Cabaal

WMT wrote: »

imo it's a catch 22 situation
on one hand you have a very talented kid wishing to do what he does best
on the other hand he is too young (8 ) to be in a licensed premises after 9pm
but as posted in another thread recently, there is no other place in Waterford other than the pub to showcase your talents , if you're in the entertainment business....

Still does't make it right, sure couldn't they put a stage in city square or something....alot more suited then drunk people falling around the place at 11pm a

Tragamin2k2

I had to laugh at this thread

abouttobebanned

WMT wrote: »

imo it's a catch 22 situation
on one hand you have a very talented kid wishing to do what he does best
on the other hand he is too young (8 ) to be in a licensed premises after 9pm
but as posted in another thread recently, there is no other place in Waterford other than the pub to showcase your talents , if you're in the entertainment business....

As far as I know, Harveys don't like to see its acts appearing anywhere else.

meldrew

Tragamin2k2 wrote: »

I had to laugh at this thread

Please fill us in on what you found so funny?

decies

Who,s Jack Lynch

longshanks

Tragamin2k2 wrote: »

I had to laugh at this thread

me too, the most ridiculous thread on the whole of the interweb

meldrew wrote: »

Please fill us in on what you found so funny?

the original post, the hoiler than thou attitude and then the subsequent posts berating the childs family and turning this into something way more than it actually is. anyone would think the child was being loaned to paedophiles. its a situation where someone thinks they should be outraged, puts on their keyboard warrior helmet and starts the most ridiculous thread ever. congrats

longshanks

decies wrote: »

Who,s Jack Lynch

he's a breakdancing kid who has a tunnel in cork named after him. used to be taoiseach. played a bit of gaelic, wasn't a bad hurler either. not bad going for an eight year old

somebaldyfela

longshanks wrote: »

he's a breakdancing kid who has a tunnel in cork named after him. used to be taoiseach. played a bit of gaelic, wasn't a bad hurler either. not bad going for an eight year old

hahaha fcuking classic dont post on here much but that one gave us a laugh i say fair play to jack,he should be allowed to show his talent whenever he gets the oppertunity,im REALLY not saying anyones begrudging him or owt,but he will be supervised etc best of luck to him

gscully

longshanks wrote: »

he's a breakdancing kid who has a tunnel in cork named after him. used to be taoiseach. played a bit of gaelic, wasn't a bad hurler either. not bad going for an eight year old

Why stop there?

He's also part of a large Irish Mafia family. I think they're called the Lynch Mob..?

deisedevil

When i was young, 8-16 years of age I played Irish music in pubs. Played all night and not for money, just for the laugh, stopped doing it when I got bored of it and wanted to go drinking with my friends(couldn't get any drink while I was playing music) My parents didn't force me to do it, my brother did it aswell and a lot of people my age did it also.
It all depends on the situation, if he goes in and does a dance and then he's brought off home and he enjoys it then whats the harm.

WMT

deisedevil wrote: »

When i was young, 8-16 years of age I played Irish music in pubs. Played all night and not for money, just for the laugh, stopped doing it when I got bored of it and wanted to go drinking with my friends(couldn't get any drink while I was playing music) My parents didn't force me to do it, my brother did it aswell and a lot of people my age did it also.
It all depends on the situation, if he goes in and does a dance and then he's brought off home and he enjoys it then whats the harm.

Actually used to do a breakdance routine back in the 80's with a crew called Street Fleet.We used to perfom in Breens, The Stone Court & The Ard Rí (as it was known back then) . There was about 8 or 9 of us aging between 15 down to 12.Never had any problems or hassle's with crowds or "drunks", but then again they were different times (good old days) . But we had to leave and be collected by parents straight after the routine.So all i'm saying is it was going on back then & still going on now
but with all the PC in the world these days it's just people's attitudes have changed and not the situation.

ziedth

all i know for certain is that i never voted for him.

Lets be fair, imo the young lad it's really going to make it as a dancer, there is just no need or way to market him. So let the chap dance away if it makes him happy.

Even though i agree with the lads that its unethical to have a kid in a pub are its deemed legal he is not hurting anyone and is making a few quid for himself. Who are any of us to deem that its not right, like 150 years ago he might have been working down the mines out in bunmahon.

scout353

I'd like to know how Kensutz is getting his own private copy of Waterford People when it went bust last september!!!!!!! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::D:D:D

Shayne09

Hi Everyone!

Im the Events Manager here in Digny Bar and i just wanted to repsond to the thread .

We had a night a few weeks ago to raise money for the BreakBeat Dance Crew as they are heading off to America for the World Dance Championships . All the kids that were on the premises were over 16 and their parents or family member was with them on the night aswell . During the day over 35 kids showed up to take part in the show but we had to put a rule in place that they had to be over 16. The show finished at approx 11.30, it only lasts 45 mins anyhow and everyone was off the premises after that . We had a designated corner that was supervised next to the stage and they had their own soft drinks with them aswell .

I have had the older kids from BreakBeat dance in the bar a few times and i know people who wanted to see more from the crew . As for Jack, i didnt even know until late that he was coming . He done 2 short dances and was gone . Ok it was late to have him out but we were plugging Jack in The All Ireland Talent Final just like every other place in town . Jack is a huge talent and he will go far! But we were raising money for these really talented kids and it is only fair that they get the chance to show their skills off . As i said we did have rules in place and they all stuck to them .

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