JOE says NO to Froch

Sugerraysarah

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/article2400357.ece

I am kinda wondering what will it take for Joe Calzaghe to shut Froch up ?

Im thinking that if Carl Froch faces Lucian Bute and beats him , then by some miracle beats Kessler or Pavlik , and still continues to call out Joe Calzaghe and really get personal with him

would that be enough to get Joe out of Retirement?

This is really a big boxing issue in Britain , I was listening to a UK radio station the other day and caller after caller was demanding that Joe Calzaghe took this fight and stop ripping off the british public by fighting over the hill boxers

I was sooo annoyed as JOE calzaghe is my favourite boxer , and I think he would still have enough to defeat Froch if they ever met

Would Joe beat Froch ? and is Joe really going to stay retired or Wait for Carl Froch to defend his WBC against another high profile boxers sucessfully , and then come out of retirement ?

please men your thoughts

sarah

foams

Sugerraysarah wrote: »

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/boxing/article2400357.ece

I am kinda wondering what will it take for Joe Calzaghe to shut Froch up ?

I guess come back and beat him , and with Joe's high volume slapping
he probly would.

joepenguin

Calzaghe would dismantle Froch. He is simply on another level to the man. Jermain Taylor boxed him for 12 rounds, even when he was runnning out of steam. Taylors stamina is no secret and Froch should have known that, he fought very negatively and got a lucky win.

I dont blame him for trying to call Joe out, what a pay day that would be for him, but no more. Its a pity he wasnt around a few years earlier though as the bad blood would have made for a good fight. No point in Calzaghe coming out of retirement. Plus he last fought at super middleweight in 2007.

Fair play to Froch though for seeking out the big fights and going to the US. He doesnt have any time to waist.

marcusluck

froch got taylor at the right time, bad intentions is not the same fighter since pavlik beat in the 1st bout,froch looked awfull first half the fight but great stamina to come back stop him in the 12th..

the welsh dragon would be to much froch..joe go 12 easy something taylor cant do!! froch should go after kessller next...

nacho libre

There is no way Froch will beat the likes of Kessler, who'll just out muscle him and give him a boxing lesson for a full 36 minutes. Indeed if Taylor could put Froch on the floor, i think Kessler would have the power to ensure he stays there. Froch will forget about Calzaghe once he is beaten convincingly by Kessler or Hopkins.

bigeasyeah

I dont think Joe will ever come out of retirement.
However if he did and decided to fight Froch,Joe would win.Bare in mind though if Joe came out of retirement,there is bigger fights out there for him.

joepenguin

bigeasyeah wrote: »

I dont think Joe will ever come out of retirement.
However if he did and decided to fight Froch,Joe would win.Bare in mind though if Joe came out of retirement,there is bigger fights out there for him.

And thats why he never fought Froch. He wasnt big enough of a name at a time when Calzaghe was looking for the big pay days. To be honest he still isnt.

T-K-O

I like Froch but he has done nothing to tempt Joe out of retirement. Carl struggled against Taylor, If Joe had fought Taylor it would have been Lacy mark 2.

mikethemouth

joepenguin wrote: »

And thats why he never fought Froch. He wasnt big enough of a name at a time when Calzaghe was looking for the big pay days. To be honest he still isnt.

i disagree he is nt a big enough name. hes arguably the most exciting fighter out there right now . his last 2 fights have been humdingers if anything. His previous fight with Rybacki was only scheduled as no one in the WBC top ten would fight him! with his fight been scheduled on sat night fights in the states his exposure across the water will have taken a big lift.

i think froch would knock joe out by the 8th round. while there is no doubting his boxing skills joe has hand picked and dodged oppenents all his life. he fought fighters whose best days were behind them - hopkins,eubank,jones,lacy. he would never have had the bottle to go into taylors backyard for his first defence. joe never had a power punch and relied on workrate and movement to win his fights. froch's fight with pascal had more action in it than joes previous fights with hopkinds,jones,kessler,lacy combined where joe just bitch slapped all night. punters want action - joe could never give that. hence why the ppv figures for the jones fight were shocking. also if it was 10 yrs previous there is nt a hope in hell joe could have beat jones or hopkins in my book.

froch will go and fight the big names of kessler,abrahams,pavlick - for me that is what a great champion is about ! i wish carl all the best as for me the only way boxing will regain its popularity from the 70s (it is slowly happening) is by champions and promoters willing to fight the best around. joe and warren represent everything that is wrong about ppv fights for me.

T-K-O

Slow down there a minute. Froch's biggest achievement to date is Jermaine Taylor taking him to school for 11 rounds - now all credit to Froch for getting the KO in the 12th but lets keep that in perspective.

You mention Kessler, Pav and Abraham - Joe beat Kessler and would defeat the other two IMO.

Kessler, Pavlivk and Abraham to a lesser extent are Forchs worse nightmare. All three are tough with decent beards and more improtantly they can box !

mikethemouth

T-K-O wrote: »

Slow down there a minute. Froch's biggest achievement to date is Jermaine Taylor taking him to school for 11 rounds - now all credit to Froch for getting the KO in the 12th but lets keep that in perspective.

You mention Kessler, Pav and Abraham - Joe beat Kessler and would defeat the other two IMO.

Kessler, Pavlivk and Abraham to a lesser extent are Forchs worse nightmare. All three are tough with decent beards and more improtantly they can box !

i have nt stated that i think froch would beat all 3 of those guys but what im staying is froch would be willing to fight these guys in their prime. would cazaghe ? - would he hell.
there is no doubting that cazaghe had great boxing skills - i,m just saying in my book he can never be considered a great champion.
boxing needs guys that are willing to step up to the mark and take on each other , not pussyfooting about dodgying and weaving opponents. joe had ample opportunity to fight the jones of this world in their prime but he took the easy option. now froch showed massive heart going to foxwoods and that should be commended. froch is no world beater i agree but hes got heart and power and willing to take a risk.

T-K-O

Absolutely, read my previous posts. Frochs heart and determination are not in question.

Joe fought and beat a prime monster that is Kessler. And that was the night I became a Calzaghe fan. I thought Kessler was going to knock Joe out that night but Joe kept on attacking never took a step back. He proved that night that he also has heart and determination and that is what kept him in that fight - it was his boxing ablitilty that won him that fight and that is where Froch will come up short.

cowzerp

Calzaghe froch will sell tickets but it would be a terrible fight, Joe ought to come back and fight someone decent and then retire.

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

Calzaghe froch will sell tickets but it would be a terrible fight, Joe ought to come back and fight someone decent and then retire.

What would be the point and who would you class as decent ?

mikethemouth

T-K-O wrote: »

Absolutely, read my previous posts. Frochs heart and determination are not in question.

Joe fought and beat a prime monster that is Kessler. And that was the night I became a Calzaghe fan. I thought Kessler was going to knock Joe out that night but Joe kept on attacking never took a step back. He proved that night that he also has heart and determination and that is what kept him in that fight - it was his boxing ablitilty that won him that fight and that is where Froch will come up short.

i dont think you can call Kessler a monster . he has fought for two vacant belts. hes made a few defences with andrade and cazaghe the only guys worth mentioning. kessler fights in straight lines alot and does nt have joe's lateraal movement. dont get me wrong i,m a kessler fan but just dont think hes a monster of an opponent . his first big fight was against cazaghe and thats it. personally i think cazaghes best performance was against lacy. personally i think froch v kessler fight would be a great fight and would end in a KO. i think froch would take it but it would be close.

T-K-O

Personally I think you are dreaming if you think Froch KO's Kessler. They do not come much bigger at SM than Miceal Kessler.

You mentioned Andrade, he would even be a test for Froch.

cowzerp

T-K-O wrote: »

What would be the point and who would you class as decent ?

To prove to the non believers he's the real deal-i would consider chad dawson, clinton woods, as possibles at light heavy and at middle Kelly Pavlik or even arthur abraham, id even go so far to say paul williams would out work him and out box him while easily taking joe's best.

or a rematch with Hopkins who will win if he bothers to show up! and did win even when he did not show.

Not that the standard around light heavy to middle is that high though!!

mikethemouth wrote: »

i dont think you can call Kessler a monster . he has fought for two vacant belts. hes made a few defences with andrade and cazaghe the only guys worth mentioning. kessler fights in straight lines alot .

Well put.

mikethemouth

maybe i am...who knows.
it would be a great to see happen
froch is no small SM either. not as stocky as kessler but has a better variation of punches.
he will need to work on his guard though if he fights kessler.

walshb

T-K-O wrote: »

I like Froch but he has done nothing to tempt Joe out of retirement. Carl struggled against Taylor, If Joe had fought Taylor it would have been Lacy mark 2.

I see it the other way. If anything, a poor to average performance would be the tempter for Joe to come back for a big pay day. Had Froch looked devastating and awesome, then Joe takes a risk coming out and meeting him.
That is how the world of boxing is run. Look at PBF, he only fough guys he knew he can beat for the big pay days. Hatton and Oscar did, and now JMM
or Pac will atrract him back.

To the point about weight. I can't see Joe relishing making 168 lbs again and if Carl is serious, he would have to really bow to any conditions Joe makes.
Carl can't go demanding 168 lbs if Joe says it's 175 or nothing

dlofnep

Personally I don't think there is any reason for Joe to come out of retirement. He has had a good career, has made his money and invested it wisely. He is getting older.. not that I think Froch would beat him - But if he took the Froch fight, then somebody else would want a fight..

He should stay retired and be content with his career.

walshb

Paul, you mentioned Clinton Woods as a man to maybe cement Joe's legacy.
Woods is one of the worst so called champions I have ever seen.
Joe would demolish that guy. Froch would be a far tougher
test for Joe.

BTW, if Joe is to fight Froch, he needs to do it soon. He is older and getting older and the longer the wait, the better the chance Froch has.

I don't believe Joe will come out to meet Froch.

Pavilk has also been mentioned. I used to think Kelly would
give Joe problems, but I have watched more of Kelly and believe
that Joe would overwhelm him

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

Paul, you mentioned Clinton Woods as a man to maybe cement Joe's legacy.

Ah im just throwing names out there, Woods is ok and could beat Joe in my opinion. but as i said-the standard is quite poor around these weights..

walshb wrote: »

Pavilk has also been mentioned. I used to think Kelly would
give Joe problems, but I have watched more of Kelly and believe
that Joe would overwhelm him

Pavlik would beat Joe, im certain of that-Calzaghe's style would suit Pavlik so well, he would not have to go hunting joe down and would blow him out of it, the power of joe is no threat and Pavliks is..

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

To prove to the non believers he's the real deal-i would consider chad dawson, clinton woods, as possibles at light heavy and at middle Kelly Pavlik or even arthur abraham, id even go so far to say paul williams would out work him and out box him while easily taking joe's best.

or a rematch with Hopkins who will win if he bothers to show up! and did win even when he did not show.

Not that the standard around light heavy to middle is that high though!!



Well put.

Woods - No, I like the guys he is an "honest" fighter but nothing special.
Williams - He beat up and old rusty Winky and all of a sudden Joe could cement a legacy against him, I think not.

IMO Joe beats Pav and Abraham. The biggest challenge would most definitely be Dawson. I would love to see that fight but If I was Joe I would stay retired.

For all those people that doubted Joe (I was one) - There is no convincing. If he beat Dawson it would be someone else.

Im 95% sure we will not see Joe in the ring again and 100% sure you will never see him fight at SM again.

T-K-O

walshb wrote: »

I see it the other way. If anything, a poor to average performance would be the tempter for Joe to come back for a big pay day. Had Froch looked devastating and awesome, then Joe takes a risk coming out and meeting him.
That is how the world of boxing is run. Look at PBF, he only fough guys he knew he can beat for the big pay days. Hatton and Oscar did, and now JMM
or Pac will atrract him back.

To the point about weight. I can't see Joe relishing making 168 lbs again and if Carl is serious, he would have to really bow to any conditions Joe makes.
Carl can't go demanding 168 lbs if Joe says it's 175 or nothing

He never would have fought Carl regardless. It's personal. Joe sees it as him giving Carl a payday and that is something he is not willing to do. If Froch would have KOed Taylor Joe's response would have been. "Taylor is a scrub anyway"

cowzerp

TKO-You do realise that williams struggles to get fights at all he is avoided so much? thats nothing new either, he has a great work rate, good chin and is tall and skillfull.. definetly worth mentioning.
oh and legacy proving? i never said that-he;d just prove that he's better than i think he is..
the standard is to low to prove his legacy which some people call 1 of the best ever, this is far from the truth..

walshb

Wiliams is tall, skillful, good chin, decent power, but all in all, he is still a smaller man than Joe. Cal would be bigger and faster and stronger and would eat Williams. Paul Wiliamns is at best a Middle. A move up to 168 or 175 would be suicidal for Williams

Paul, I know you don't rate Joe and don't like his style. I don't like his slapping, but the guy had serious talent and was so so hard to beat. A lot tried and a lot failed and not all were scrubs. Some of the names you
mentioned to beat Joe are IMO well off Joe's talent and would lose badly

HOP was beaten and yet HOP then goes on to dismantle Pavlik. How can you think Pavlik beats Joe based on this. I know style make fights, but if Pav thought Hop was difficult, then Joe would really blitz him and be beating
him to the punch all night. Cal had a good chin too and would be as strong as Pav.

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

HOP was beaten and yet HOP then goes on to dismantle Pavlik. How can you think Pavlik beats Joe based on this. I know style make fights, but if Pav thought Hop was difficult, then Joe would really blitz him and be beating
him to the punch all night. Cal had a good chin too and would be as strong as Pav.

Hop was not beaten by joe, and even if he was he did not show up that night-pavlik got the back lash of that, if that hop had turned up he would of finished calzaghe early.

Pavlik would relish the toe to toe fight with Calzaghe..

nacho libre

The only way Calzaghe could be tempted out of retirement is if Froch beat Kessler. Calzaghe has stated Kessler was his toughest opponent in the ring.
So if Froch were to beat Kessler, there would be substance to Froch words and Calzaghe would feel that he had something to prove. Although, I believe the main reason Calzaghe retired was fear of losing his perfect record if he kept going. So maybe he would not risk it.




as for Kessler having no lateral movement; Calzaghe had problems dealing with him until the fourth or fifth round, it was only because Calzaghe had the ability to alter his tactics that he got on top of Kessler.
I really think people underestimate Kessler. For me Kessler beats Pavlik, Froch, and Abraham. I'm not sure about Hopkins. I hope he gets these issues sorted with his management so he can get the big fights in America.

nacho libre

cowzerp wrote: »

Hop was not beaten by joe, and even if he was he did not show up that night-pavlik got the back lash of that, if that hop had turned up he would of finished calzaghe early.

Pavlik would relish the toe to toe fight with Calzaghe..

Hopkins did not show up because he went into his shell because he couldn't live with Calzaghe's punch output. Hopkins did his best to spoil the fight. He even had to feign injury because he couldn't deal with the pace of the fight. Hopkins simply looked good against Pavlik because Pavlik is a limited fighter.

Hopkins saw his punches coming a mile off and was able to dodge his telegraphed dangerous right hand all night. Calzaghe would have exposed Pavlik as well and then we'd get the revision whereby Pavlik wasn't as good as we thought. On the other hand Hopkins beating Pavlik means Hopkins wasn't past it afterall and just had an off night against Calzaghe.

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

Hop was not beaten by joe, and even if he was he did not show up that night-pavlik got the back lash of that, if that hop had turned up he would of finished calzaghe early.

Pavlik would relish the toe to toe fight with Calzaghe..

He was beaten by Joe is a horrible horrible fight, but apart from the Kd
in rd 1 for HOP, he was pretty awful for the remainder of the bout. He was spoiling and running and holding for 11 rds. I don't see how anyone could have given HOP the decision in that fight. Joe wasn't much better, but at least showed he wanted to win.

Pavilk would relish a toe to toe, but Joe Calzaghe has so much more than just toe to toe slugging and Pavlik does not. So, Joe can do many other things and present many angles and has such great footwork. Hey, put these two in a phone box and Joe still out works and out hustles Pavlik. He is far too
versatile and all Pav has is a punch, and Joe has proven he can take a whack and come back. Joe Calzaghe with all his flaws, is still one hell of an all around fighter, and far too all around for Pavlik

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

TKO-You do realise that williams struggles to get fights at all he is avoided so much? thats nothing new either, he has a great work rate, good chin and is tall and skillfull.. definetly worth mentioning.
oh and legacy proving? i never said that-he;d just prove that he's better than i think he is..
the standard is to low to prove his legacy which some people call 1 of the best ever, this is far from the truth..

With all due respect Zerp, He doent care what you think.

I am well aware of Williams the guy has some talent - but at SM against Joe Calazghe, no chance. IMO Pavlik would take Williams out.
But Williams is the form guy he should go after Cotto or PBF.

T-K-O

cowzerp wrote: »

Hop was not beaten by joe, and even if he was he did not show up that night-pavlik got the back lash of that, if that hop had turned up he would of finished calzaghe early.

Pavlik would relish the toe to toe fight with Calzaghe..

B-Hop thought Kelly a lesson alright but Kelly allowed him to do so. Joe on the other hand did not and B-Hop put in place his plan B - a stink fest.

nacho libre

T-K-O wrote: »

B-Hop thought Kelly a lesson alright but Kelly allowed him to do so. Joe on the other hand did not and B-Hop put in place his plan B - a stink fest.

who would allow someone to give them a boxing lesson(outside of being coached)

Pavlik was simply outclassed by Hopkins. His look at the end of the fight said it all. If he had the array of skills Calzaghe has Hopkins would not have being able to school him for 12 rounds.

cowzerp

nacho libre wrote: »

who would allow someone to give them a boxing lesson(outside of being coached)

Pavlik was simply outclassed by Hopkins. His look at the end of the fight said it all. If he had the array of skills Calzaghe has Hopkins would not have being able to school him for 12 rounds.

Lads he clearly entered the ring with a different mentality in both fights, in 1 he fought a counter punchers fight and on the other he took the fight to kelly, this was a bhop choice and if he had chose to fight like that v joe i believe the fight would of been massively dominated by Bhop..

T-K-O

nacho libre wrote: »

who would allow someone to give them a boxing lesson(outside of being coached)

Pavlik was simply outclassed by Hopkins. His look at the end of the fight said it all. If he had the array of skills Calzaghe has Hopkins would not have being able to school him for 12 rounds.

He allowed him by impersonating a punch bag for 12 rounds.

walshb

Why the excuses for HOP, he did what he had to and came up short.
He only was allowed do what Joe allowed him to and maybe had Bhop
went for Joe, maybe he would have won, but who is to say that Joe would not have had an answer to this?

Cal's talent prevented Bhop from winning and Pavlik's lack of versatility
allowed Bhop to win.

What more has Joe to do?

T-K-O

If people are not convinced about Calzaghe at this moment in time, they never will be.

mikethemouth

how can we be convinced by a fighter who has dodged and weaved opponents through the years . he would nt have lasted two seconds with jones,eubank and bhop in their prime.

cazaghe has left a very shallow legacy.

no doubt he was a very talented boxer who could have been great but ultimately allowed the money men shape his destiny.

T-K-O

He hardly dodge Eubank - it was a different era.

Jones, Eubank, Benn, Collins, GMan there are stories about them all dodging someone.

Joe is hardly the most accomplished of champions but he is a worthy champion non the less.

walshb

mikethemouth wrote: »

how can we be convinced by a fighter who has dodged and weaved opponents through the years . he would nt have lasted two seconds with jones,eubank and bhop in their prime.

cazaghe has left a very shallow legacy.

no doubt he was a very talented boxer who could have been great but ultimately allowed the money men shape his destiny.

Dodge Chris?

Hey, he met and bet Chris in 1997 aged about 24. What more was he
to do. As noted, they were in different eras and Joe was not close to peak, as was Chris. Joe peaked in the eraly noughties and I happen to think
that at peak, Chris cannot win. He wasn't fast enough and in the actual fight, Chris still had his punch, but it didn't do the trick.

I think a peak to peak meeting sees Joe a more decisive winner. This comes from a Eubank fan. Joe's style is all wrong for Chris.

Collins and Benn would also likely lose with Benn having a good punchers
chance. Benn's aggression would make this a tough bout.

Collins was simply too sloppy and would be beaten on points

Bhop in his prime was a middleweight who happened to lose at
middle to Taylor. Now, how can we compare them. Joe was
168 lbs at peak and Hop skipped this division altogether.

Jones hardly went looking for Joe either. Did Joe duck Jones?
Did Jones Duck Joe? It's a matter of opinion.

mikethemouth

walshb wrote: »

Dodge Chris?

Hey, he met and bet Chris in 1997 aged about 24. What more was he
to do. As noted, they were in different eras and Joe was not close to peak, as was Chris. Joe peaked in the eraly noughties and I happen to think
that at peak, Chris cannot win. He wasn't fast enough and in the actual fight, Chris still had his punch, but it didn't do the trick.

I think a peak to peak meeting sees Joe a more decisive winner. This comes from a Eubank fan. Joe's style is all wrong for Chris.

Collins and Benn would also likely lose with Benn having a good punchers
chance. Benn's aggression would make this a tough bout.

Collins was simply too sloppy and would be beaten on points

Bhop in his prime was a middleweight who happened to lose at
middle to Taylor. Now, how can we compare them. Joe was
168 lbs at peak and Hop skipped this division altogether.

Jones hardly went looking for Joe either. Did Joe duck Jones?
Did Jones Duck Joe? It's a matter of opinion.

mate reread my post - i never mentioned he dodged eubank !!!!!

walshb

mikethemouth wrote: »

mate reread my post - i never mentioned he dodged eubank !!!!!

Typo Mike, my mistake; but as to the rest of my post, I stand by it! BTW, the one man at 168 lbs I would see beating Joe is a peak Toney. Again, styles make fights and although Joe's style will cause James problems early, I see James' superior skills, defence and power prevailing.
Joe will be hitting air all night!

nacho libre

T-K-O wrote: »

He allowed him by impersonating a punch bag for 12 rounds.

Another words he was outclassed by Hopkins.

T-K-O

Yes, but B-Hop was unable to do this with Joe Cal.

nacho libre

mikethemouth wrote: »

how can we be convinced by a fighter who has dodged and weaved opponents through the years . he would nt have lasted two seconds with jones,eubank and bhop in their prime.

cazaghe has left a very shallow legacy.

no doubt he was a very talented boxer who could have been great but ultimately allowed the money men shape his destiny.

as has being mentioned a few times on this forum in the past, Hopkins avoided Calzaghe. Calzaghe wanted to fight Hopkins several years ago but at the last minute Hopkins backed out by asking for double the money that was on offer. So he can't be accused of dodging every fighter in their prime. That said i think Hopkins might have beaten him in his prime. Jones certainly would of.

nacho libre

T-K-O wrote: »

Yes, but B-Hop was unable to do this with Joe Cal.

I agree. Calzaghe would have done the same thing to Pavlik but to his detractors it would mean that they overrated Pavlik. Whereas Hopkins beating Pavlik, to them means Hopkins still has it and just employed the wrong tactics against Calzaghe.

T-K-O

nacho libre wrote: »

I agree. Calzaghe would have done the same thing to Pavlik but to his detractors it would mean that they overrated Pavlik. Whereas Hopkins beating Pavlik, to them means Hopkins still has it and just employed the wrong tactics against Calzaghe.

Yup that is the way it is and such debate give us all something to chat about on here!

Hopkins did not have the incorrect tactics against Joe he just could not execute his game plan and that made for one helleva boring fight.

In a way Joe deserves a lot of respect for pulling that one off (no pun intended)

mikethemouth

walshb wrote: »

Typo Mike, my mistake; but as to the rest of my post, I stand by it! BTW, the one man at 168 lbs I would see beating Joe is a peak Toney. Again, styles make fights and although Joe's style will cause James problems early, I see James' superior skills, defence and power prevailing.
Joe will be hitting air all night!

mike you cant honestly believe joe would have beaten jones in his prime ?

walshb

mikethemouth wrote: »

mike you cant honestly believe joe would have beaten jones in his prime ?

I am not called Mike, was that a typo from you?:)

Okay, both met when BOTH were past it. Now, Jones prime was
the early 90's, say 1993-1995. Joe's was the early noughties, say 2000-2004.

Again, styles make fights and if Jones doesn't take Joe out, how else does the bout go. Jones doesn't like a fast pace, has no jab and relies on
countering and leaping in with power shots. Joe's style and speed and footwork and tactical awareness will present major problems here.

I see Jone being made to work every second of every round and I see him
not liking it one bit. If this goes to the cards, then Joe is a favorite as
he will outwork Jones. Jones must engage to score and it's not thyat easy
when meeting a guy who throws three times more shots than you.

Roy has to KO Cal and Cal has proved he has a chin, recuperative ability and legendary stamina. His overall package is a nightmare for Jones

maxxie

You will always have somebody calling the champ out of retirement!

Im sure calzaghe laughs at alot of it!

As for froch, hope he fights kessler! The big dane will do the business, he gone quiet as of late but this could be his opportunity to step back into the spotlight.

Daroxtar

Calzaghe would have stood more of a punchers chance with jones had they fought in the late 90s and knowing what joneses chin is like he could have knocked him out. People always seem to forget that joe hit much harder then but has had problems with his hads since the robin reid fight, if not before. Jones was definately more skilful but it wouldn't have been as one sided as people think.

Hopkins was a good champ but he has a serious dose of mouth and joe beat him because hopkins couldnt adapt to his style. TBH, my estimation of hopkins went down after watching him faking and spoling for the majority of the bout and then whingeing afterwards.

I like Froch but he is nowhere near good enough to beat joe. Sure he can bang a bit and has a good chin but joe would completely outwork him. No conest at all IMO. If either froch or hopkins want a shot at joe they should fight each other first. If froch wins he has a case for a fight.