HD Ready 1080p??

BeeSee

First time considering buying a LCD TV so this may be a glorious newb question:

Whats the difference between "HD Ready 1080p" and "Full HD"?


"Full HD" is 1080p, but i'd presume that a "HD Ready 1080p" is also capable of 1080p?

If both we're hooked up to a bluray player, every other spec the same, would there by any difference in picture between the two?

Is the only difference that a HD Ready needs a go between like a box to get Full HD whereas the Full HD can produce the signal by itself?


I'd greatly appreciate any insight into this!

hobochris

full hd is 1080p with hdmi ports.

which very few (if any??) 1080p tv's/ projectors lack.

so in other words 1080p = full hd.

full hd is just the term to used for those without the technical knowledge of what makes a high def display.

In other words its a bull**** term readily available for sales people to feed people even more stupid then they are...

Wolff

Hi there

Hd ready means the TV can display a signal up to 720p natively - the panel it has has enough vertical lines to display the signal without scaling

It may also display 1080i or 1080p but does so using some kind of scaling so the image is not quite so crystal clear.

Full HD 1080p means the tv can display up 1080 lines vertically without scaling so you are getting the full benefit if the signal is 1080p

The question of, is one better than the other is really down to the screen size and anything under 60" you would be hard pressed to see a difference
unless you sit 2 feet from the screen.

Mind you its a bit academic now that most displays are full 1080p.

I have a 50" Pioneer Kuro and and its a HD ready tv that would knock the socks off most full hd tvs - so it really depends on the TV as well

Another thing to consider is Sky HD and BBC HD only boradcast at 720p /1080i

Hope this helps

BeeSee

Wolff wrote: »

It may also display 1080i or 1080p but does so using some kind of scaling so the image is not quite so crystal clear.

Full HD 1080p means the tv can display up 1080 lines vertically without scaling so you are getting the full benefit if the signal is 1080p

well i think that answers my question perfectly!

so technically thats the difference. i do realise practically tho that some hd ready tv's can be better than the full hd but i just needed to know the what the blinkin difference was.

i'm lookin at 40" screens, 42" absolute max and cant see myself getting hd tv for a long time yet, only got a ps3 to get the full effects, so i think i'll factor in other stuff such as contrast and 100hz before gettin seduced by the "full hd"

vectra

BeeSee wrote: »

well i think that answers my question perfectly!

so technically thats the difference. i do realise practically tho that some hd ready tv's can be better than the full hd but i just needed to know the what the blinkin difference was.

i'm lookin at 40" screens, 42" absolute max and cant see myself getting hd tv for a long time yet, only got a ps3 to get the full effects, so i think i'll factor in other stuff such as contrast and 100hz before gettin seduced by the "full hd"

PS3 = Blueray = 1080p
Go for full HD and please do NOT listen to someone tellingt you that you would be hard pressed to see the difference between 1010i and 1080p on a 60 inch..!!! :eek:
I wonder what glasses that poster wears :rolleyes:

Wolff

Good to see vectra's well reasoned and thought out post - well done...

He must have a similar set up to mine - a full hd 42 " lcd - and a 50 " HD ready Plasma at home, which i did run side by side until the lcd was mounted.

Or he must have acess to the private home cinema I was in recently where there were 2 tvs both 42" side by side - one hd ready and one full hd - one was a replacement for the orig hd-ready one - again very little difference between them both had sky hd going into them at 1080i - up close you could see the difference allright - but i dont watch tv from a foot away.

but its all becoming a bit academic as most panels now are 1080p

of course everything is relative - ive recently seen a ps3 outputing 1080p looking a little blurry compared to a really highend standalone bluray player outputing the same signal.

1080p on a really good highend projector is a different story all together !

Jev/N

Wolff wrote: »

Hd ready means the TV can display a signal up to 720p natively - the panel it has has enough vertical lines to display the signal without scaling

...

Full HD 1080p means the tv can display up 1080 lines vertically without scaling so you are getting the full benefit if the signal is 1080p

Being pedantic, I know, but the lines taken into account are horizontal. 720/1080 is measured on the vertical axis BUT the lines are perpendicular to that axis

Ciaran500

vectra wrote: »

Go for full HD and please do NOT listen to someone tellingt you that you would be hard pressed to see the difference between 1010i and 1080p on a 60 inch..!!! :eek:

1080p and 1080i give an identical picture if the TV does a good job deinterlacing. If there is a difference its an artifact from the deinterlacer.

vectra

Wolff wrote: »

Good to see vectra's well reasoned and thought out post - well done...

He must have a similar set up to mine - a full hd 42 " lcd - and a 50 " HD ready Plasma at home, which i did run side by side until the lcd was mounted.

Nicely thought out reply by you as well.
Are you trying to say you actually made a DIRECT comparison between a 50" Plasma and a 42" LCD?
I wouldnt think that is possible to be fair.

if so
Then I have a 32" 1080p
and a 40" HD READY in my house
No contest between both
the 32" blows the other away with the pic quality

And as a matter of fact
Yes
I was in my buddys home cinema recently NOT A 42" LCD ONE EITHER..:rolleyes:

37" Full HD Samsung

50" HD Ready ( Sony ??)

full HD Projector to 100" screen

Difference..??
You bet

Wolff

If you read my reply again - you ll see i made a direct comparison between two 42 " plasmas - both Panasonic and both almost identical except one was full hd and one was hd ready

Both were running side by side for a day or two while he was having work done - and again ill say it there was very little difference between the two.


Ill wager if you bring your 32 " and put it beside a good hdready tv like a kuro - you wont see a difference - but dont take my word for it.

Oh and my freinds home cinema is doesnt have a 42 " - its a custom built room with a full hd 50" panasonic - 1080p projector - wood pannelling - motorised screen and all custom remote controlled - it seats 10 people and is in the basement so noise aint a problem.

And also if your buddy has all full hd equipment how could you see the difference ?

vectra

Wolff wrote: »

He must have a similar set up to mine - a full hd 42 " lcd - and a 50 " HD ready Plasma at home, which i did run side by side until the lcd was mounted.
!

Wolff wrote: »

If you read my reply again - you ll see i made a direct comparison between two 42 " plasmas - both Panasonic and both almost identical except one was full hd and one was hd ready

Sorry?
A bit of a contradiction there in your posts.:D

Wolff wrote: »

Ill wager if you bring your 32 " and put it beside a good hdready tv like a kuro - you wont see a difference - but dont take my word for it.

And how much would this test Pioneer TV cost?
have you got a link to specs/price??

BeeSee

i guess best thing to do is literally look at the tv's themselves, looks like relying on spec's alone aint the way to go!

Wolff

Sorry Vectra but as you can see if you read the post again - I have one set up at home and I've viewed another set up elsewhere- so two seperate setups - two seperate ones - so no contradiction - sorry.


As for specs - just google for Pioneer Kuro 50" hd ready - have a look at the reveiws and come back to me

But if you are new to home cinema I can understand if you need to see reviews / specs for the Kuro.

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/node/6904

You can pick up a 50" hdready Kuro for around 1500 if you look

But dont take my word for it...see them for yourself

vectra

Wolff wrote: »

Sorry Vectra but as you can see if you read the post again - I have one set up at home and I've viewed another set up elsewhere- so two seperate setups - two seperate ones - so no contradiction - sorry.

Fair enough
Spotted that now :P

But
How can you make a comparison there?
Both on Sky HD @ 1080i ??

How can a 1080P show its true potential when it is not being pushed to 1080P

SouperComputer

Give it a rest Vectra. Its bad enough I have to wade my way through your drivel on the motorsport forum.

Before you start spouting subjective rubbish about your mates TV's, and projectors with no mention of the distance you were sitting from the screen, read about visual acuity, IE human's ability to resolve. When you can demonstrate some understanding of that then your posts might have some weight.

In a typical home people sit too far away from too small of a screen to be able to differentiate between the different HD offerings.



Then there's compression artifacts and accurate colour representation to contend with......

vectra

SouperComputer wrote: »

Before you start spouting subjective rubbish about your mates TV's, and projectors with no mention of the distance you were sitting from the screen,

Excuse me now there a minute Mr SouperComputer sir...!!

Where in the hell did mr brilliant Wolff state any distances he was sitting at?
why pick on me?
Is he a buddy of yours or something?

Why not point those facts at him?

Wolff

I said I dont sit 2 feet away from the screen - who does - though maybe you do ?- all of the above is based on normal viewing distances or maybe you want me to get a measuring tape out as well

You are most probably fairly new to all this and your setup suggests you are not really into home cinema etc

As for only skyhd - thats not the only output he had as ive stated allready we had a look at 1080p and could only really see the difference on the projector.

again at a normal viewing distance

His is a really highend set up - you are talking about a 50k plus home cinema so he has the works -

vectra

Wolff wrote: »

I said I dont sit 2 feet away from the screen - who does - though maybe you do ?- all of the above is based on normal viewing distances or maybe you want me to get a measuring tape out as well

You are most probably fairly new to all this and your setup suggests you are not really into home cinema etc

As for only skyhd - thats not the only output he had as ive stated allready we had a look at 1080p and could only really see the difference on the projector.

again at a normal viewing distance

His is a really highend set up - you are talking about a 50k plus home cinema so he has the works -

I know you said that you do NOT sit 2 feet from it .. Nor do I
when at my buddys House we sat at NORMAL distance as well.

Now
Do not for one minute tell me that your buddys projector or TV cost 50k plus :rolleyes:

also
you must be reletavly new to it yourself seeing as you must quote your friends cinema
which as far as I remember has nothing to do with the OP's question
But
I will say
you are the first poster I have seen over several hundreds that stated Full HD is a waste of time in a TV under 60"

Jev/N wrote: »

Being pedantic, I know, but the lines taken into account are horizontal. 720/1080 is measured on the vertical axis BUT the lines are perpendicular to that axis

Does this answer agree 100% with your superior knowledge?

Wolff

vectra wrote: »

But
I will say
you are the first poster I have seen over several hundreds that stated Full HD is a waste of time in a TV under 60" QUOTE]


never said that - read the post again - carefully this time

also I have my own home cinema - very decent setup I might add as Ive already stated - been in the hobby since the early 90s infact - the other guy im talking about spent more than around 100k on putting a state of the art system into his house - he has the works - the projector alone cost 10k

the cinema room cost 50k plus again as I said

Im coming to the conclusion you are a bit of a troll

vectra

Wolff wrote: »

never said that - read the post again - carefully this time

First off
it doesnt bother me in the least what you may or may not think of me.

Secondly
OP never asked about 60" screens or Friends Cinemas

Thirdly
I started off my interest in this hobby in the mid 70's with Hi-Fi equipment long before LCD and Home Cinemas were the buzz and boast.;

Finally
I did read your post again
CAREFULLY

Can you enlighten me exactly what you meant by this then??

Wolff wrote: »

The question of, is one better than the other is really down to the screen size and anything under 60" you would be hard pressed to see a difference
unless you sit 2 feet from the screen.

Wolff

First off

I dont think about you

Second

hard pressed doesnt mean waste of time...

Thirdly

This thread has been exhausted by you, so good luck...

vectra

Wolff wrote: »

First off

I dont think about you

Second

hard pressed doesnt mean waste of time...

Thirdly

This thread has been exhausted by you, so good luck...

Just as a matter of interest.
What college did you get your technical qualifications that makes you feel you are 100% right and others are wrong?

I always thought that a forum was opinionated ?

Every man to his own thank you very much

Wolff

I think you'll find the people on the forum are opinionated

Not the forum itself !;)

All of my comments above are made from first hand experience as described.

Ill leave the opinions to your good self -

For the OP - Some more opinions -

http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/968156-hd-ready-full-specifically.html

http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/953633-hd-ready-full-hd-question.html

vectra

Wolff wrote: »

I think you'll find the people on the forum are opinionated

Not the forum itself !;)

All of my comments above are made from first hand experience as described.

Ill leave the opinions to your good self -

For the OP - Some more opinions -

http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/968156-hd-ready-full-specifically.html

http://www.avforums.com/forums/plasma-televisions/953633-hd-ready-full-hd-question.html

Well
It took sheer a genious to figure out that it is people are opinionated. :rolleyes:


at the end of the day
It is your opinion that he should not bother with full HD
it is my opinion that he should go for full HD
But hey
What do I know anyway
I am probably as dumb as the manufacturers that go to the bother of making them in them first place :P

Wolff

Well you said it, not me -
Ive looked at some of your other posts and you seem to like an argument for the sake of it.

So we shall just have to differ on this matter

Idleater

if it's any use, 1080p on a smaller screen can make a difference to picture quality.

It has to do with the native resolution of the screen. For example a 32" could have a resolution of 1920x1080 and a 42" could have a resolution of 1366 x 768.

both will (most likely) display 576I/P, 720p 1080i with some sort of scaling
but the 32 will only display raw 1080p.

In such a case, there will be a clear difference between 1080i or p on both the 32" and 42" because on the 42 it will effectively be 720p.

Now, if both are 1920x1080 1080p capable natively, then the only difference will be as soupercomputer pointed out, the distance you sit from the panel.

vectra

nereid wrote: »

if it's any use, 1080p on a smaller screen can make a difference to picture quality.

It has to do with the native resolution of the screen. For example a 32" could have a resolution of 1920x1080 and a 42" could have a resolution of 1366 x 768.

both will (most likely) display 576I/P, 720p 1080i with some sort of scaling
but the 32 will only display raw 1080p.

In such a case, there will be a clear difference between 1080i or p on both the 32" and 42" because on the 42 it will effectively be 720p.

Now, if both are 1920x1080 1080p capable natively, then the only difference will be as soupercomputer pointed out, the distance you sit from the panel.

Wow..
Somebody actually agrees with me :cool:

Keith186

BeeSee wrote: »

First time considering buying a LCD TV so this may be a glorious newb question:

Whats the difference between "HD Ready 1080p" and "Full HD"?


"Full HD" is 1080p, but i'd presume that a "HD Ready 1080p" is also capable of 1080p?

If both we're hooked up to a bluray player, every other spec the same, would there by any difference in picture between the two?

Is the only difference that a HD Ready needs a go between like a box to get Full HD whereas the Full HD can produce the signal by itself?


I'd greatly appreciate any insight into this!

OP - without being too technical I would recommend you spend your money on a Full HD 1080p version and make sure you get 2/3 HDMI ports aswell.

I upgraded from 32" 720p to 40" 1080p this week and the difference is very, very noticable sitting about 10ft away, definitely worth the extra money especially when you have a PS3. I'm getting on of those on Tuesday

If you have a budget of €1k I can recommend you a good tv. PM me if you want as i'm not subscribed to this thread.