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Heineken Cup Odds

  • 26-04-2009 7:28pm
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    Heineken Cup - 2009

    Outright Betting

    Munster 7 - 10
    Cardiff Blues 7 - 2
    Leicester 5 - 1
    Leinster 7 - 1

    I think Leinsters Odds are way too high. 7-1 is ridiculous.
    1. Horan V Healy - Horan
    2. Flanney V Jackman - Flannery
    3. Hayes v Van Der Linde - Van Der Linde
    4. O Callaghan V Cullen - O Callaghan
    5. O Connoll V O Kelly - O connoll
    6. Quinlin V Elsom - Elsom
    7. Wallace V Jennings - Wallace
    8. Leamy V Heaslip - Heaslip
    9. Stringer v Whittaker - Stringer
    10. O Gara V Contepomi - Even
    11. Dowling V Fitzgerald - Fitzgerald
    12. Mafi V Darcy - Darcy
    13. Earls V O Driscoll - O Driscoll
    14. Howlett V Nacewa - Howlett
    15. Warwick V Kearney - Kearney

    Thats 7 v 7. I really do think it will be a tight game


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29 Theus


    Mafi is better than D'arcy by a country mile so make that 8-6 ;)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,161 Podge_irl
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    I honestly don't think 7-1 is all that ridiculous considering Leinster are definite underdogs against Munster and would then be in their first final even if they got through and I would back Leicester against them (not so much Cardiff). Screw it, I have money on both Leinster and Munster :D

    As regards your match-up for the game, I highly doubt VDL will be playing and there is a decent chance Kearney won't be either. The teams are reasonably evenly matched everywhere imo except at bloody half-back where we are in serious trouble. Starting Sexton (and POD!) would aid that, but its unlikely to happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,193 [Jackass]
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    Ah I don't know about that, Dempsey is ample cover for Kearney or we could play Nacewa at 15 and have either Horgan on the right wing, or Fitz on the right and Keogh on the left OR D'Arcy on the right, Contepomi at 12 and Sexton at 10.

    Lots of combo's.

    It's very tight on paper with Munster edging it imo. They are outright favourites for the game and it's theirs to lose!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 danthefan
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    7-1 is about right for Leinster considering the semi is against Munster. Would be shorter if they had Leicester or Cardiff in the SF.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 thomond2006
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    7 - 1 is not a ridiculous price at all. Bookies can only see Munster retaining HC.

    1. Horan V Healy - Horan
    2. Flanney V Jackman - Flannery
    3. Hayes v Wright - Hayes
    4. O Callaghan V Cullen - O Callaghan
    5. O Connell V O Kelly - No guesses here....:P
    6. Quinlin V Elsom - Elsom
    7. Wallace V Jennings - Wallace
    8. Leamy V Heaslip - Heaslip
    9. Stringer v Two Steps - Stringer
    10. O Gara V Dr. Phil - ROG edges Dr. Bottler
    11. Dowling V Fitzgerald - Fitzgerald
    12. Mafi V D'Arcy - Mafi by a mile
    13. Earls V O Driscoll - BOD
    14. Howlett V Nacewa - Howlett by light years
    15. Warwick V Kearney - even


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,259 NickNolte
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    Mafi is in much better form than D'Arcy. Not so sure about Kearney being better than Warwick either. As much as I'd like to see Leinster go through next weekend, if I were a betting man, I'd be betting on Munster.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 daveharnett
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    Madworld wrote: »
    10. O Gara V Contepomi - Even
    :eek:

    Not in a match involving munster they're not! There's at least an even chance that Phil will get a case of the Qunilans, and that'll be the game over before it begins.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,987 zAbbo
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    Last time I checked games aren't decided using Top Trump style X player has better pace than Y

    Odds look about right, good odds on Leinster now and if they do beat Munster that 7-1 looks great, but they're 7-1 for a reason :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 Munster_Gal
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    Obviously I would say Munster anyway... but...
    Leinsters performance recently hasn't been fantastic but I am really hoping that it's going to be a great game and that there won't be much in it! I'd hate to see either of the teams just running away with it


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,023 Tim Robbins
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    [QUOTE='[Jackass]
    It's very tight on paper with Munster edging it imo. They are outright favourites for the game and it's theirs to lose![/QUOTE]
    I don't look at it as man per man basis, I think the real analysis is when you look at the respective units:

    1. Scrum - Munster
    2. Lineout - Munster
    3. Breakdown - Munster
    4. Tactical kicking - Munster
    5. Offloading - Even
    6. Defense - Munster
    7. Pace - Even
    8. Halfback combination - Munster
    9. Goal Kicking - Munster
    10. Keeping the head, mental toughtness etc - Munster

    etc.
    If you only look at the tight 5, the amount of times Munster's tight five half played with each other. 3 of them Lions. Arguably should have been four.

    Whereas the Leinster tight 5 has been chopping and changing the entire season.

    I thought the 2006 team were a bit lucky and had definite weaknesses. This Munster are absolutely amazing.

    The Leinster back row is probably better on paper, but as a unit the Munster back row would destroy them.

    I think the question is how much will Munster win by.


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,161 Podge_irl
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    I don't look at it as man per man basis, I think the real analysis is when you look at the respective units:

    1. Scrum - Munster
    2. Lineout - Munster
    3. Breakdown - Munster
    4. Tactical kicking - Munster
    5. Offloading - Even
    6. Defense - Munster
    7. Pace - Even
    8. Halfback combination - Munster
    9. Goal Kicking - Munster
    10. Keeping the head, mental toughtness etc - Munster.

    Leinster's scrum made a mess of Munster's last time they met. Leinster have conceeded three tries in the HEC this season - half that of Munster. Wouldn't argue with the rest mind you.

    Edit: Wait, I'd argue with this
    The Leinster back row is probably better on paper, but as a unit the Munster back row would destroy them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,023 Tim Robbins
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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Leinster's scrum made a mess of Munster's last time they met. Leinster have conceeded three tries in the HEC this season - half that of Munster. Wouldn't argue with the rest mind you.
    Fair enough Podge. I think Hayse has really come on in the scrummaging, he really bores in - I know this is illegal but who says props play by the rules :-)

    I thought he destroyed the Scarlets scrum on Friday.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 785 ALH-06
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    I don't look at it as man per man basis, I think the real analysis is when you look at the respective units:

    1. Scrum - Munster
    2. Lineout - Munster
    3. Breakdown - Munster
    4. Tactical kicking - Munster
    5. Offloading - Even
    6. Defense - Munster
    7. Pace - Even
    8. Halfback combination - Munster
    9. Goal Kicking - Munster
    10. Keeping the head, mental toughtness etc - Munster

    etc.
    If you only look at the tight 5, the amount of times Munster's tight five half played with each other. 3 of them Lions. Arguably should have been four.

    Whereas the Leinster tight 5 has been chopping and changing the entire season.

    I thought the 2006 team were a bit lucky and had definite weaknesses. This Munster are absolutely amazing.

    The Leinster back row is probably better on paper, but as a unit the Munster back row would destroy them.

    I think the question is how much will Munster win by.

    Munster's mental resilience counts for so so much in a match like this. That's my real worry.

    But by the way, the Munster backrow will not 'destroy' Heaslip, Jennings and Elsom. Even if they do win the match, this won't happen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 504 Madworld
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    7 - 1 is not a ridiculous price at all. Bookies can only see Munster retaining HC.

    1. Horan V Healy - Horan
    2. Flanney V Jackman - Flannery
    3. Hayes v Wright - Hayes
    4. O Callaghan V Cullen - O Callaghan
    5. O Connell V O Kelly - No guesses here....:P
    6. Quinlin V Elsom - Elsom
    7. Wallace V Jennings - Wallace
    8. Leamy V Heaslip - Heaslip
    9. Stringer v Two Steps - Stringer
    10. O Gara V Dr. Phil - ROG edges Dr. Bottler
    11. Dowling V Fitzgerald - Fitzgerald
    12. Mafi V D'Arcy - Mafi by a mile
    13. Earls V O Driscoll - BOD
    14. Howlett V Nacewa - Howlett by light years
    15. Warwick V Kearney - even

    Right I was holding back there on the Leinster Bias.
    1. Horan V Healy - Horan
    2. Flanney V Jackman - Flannery
    3. Hayes v Wright - Hayes
    4. O Callaghan V Cullen - O Callaghan O Callaghan is riduclously overated. Cullen is ridiculously underated. O Callaghan would not play 56 times for Leicester. Cullen did.
    5. O Connell V O Kelly - No guesses here....:P
    6. Quinlin V Elsom - Elsom
    7. Wallace V Jennings - Wallace ... Jennings is a better out and out 7. Wallace is ridiculously overated by the Irish media.
    8. Leamy V Heaslip - Heaslip
    9. Stringer v Two Steps - Stringer
    10. O Gara V Dr. Phil - ROG edges Dr. Bottler ROG is the biggest bottler going. Ireland matches prove that.
    11. Dowling V Fitzgerald - Fitzgerald
    12. Mafi V D'Arcy - Mafi by a mile :P Mafi has scored 3 tries in 23 games. Darcy has scored 2 tries in 12 games. The stats speak for themselves
    13. Earls V O Driscoll - BOD BOD by a light years. Have a feeling Earls will be another 'great white hope' like Trimble
    14. Howlett V Nacewa - Howlett by light years
    15. Warwick V Kearney - even[/quote] Even.... :pNot a hope. Warwick was a nobody until he went to Munster. He has never played for Australia. If he went to London Irish, he would prove he is a nobody again


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 louthandproud
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    Madworld wrote: »
    Heineken Cup - 2009

    Outright Betting

    Munster 7 - 10
    Cardiff Blues 7 - 2
    Leicester 5 - 1
    Leinster 7 - 1

    I think Leinsters Odds are way too high. 7-1 is ridiculous.
    1. Horan V Healy - Horan
    2. Flanney V Jackman - Flannery
    3. Hayes v Van Der Linde - Van Der Linde
    4. O Callaghan V Cullen - O Callaghan
    5. O Connoll V O Kelly - O connoll
    6. Quinlin V Elsom - Elsom
    7. Wallace V Jennings - Wallace
    8. Leamy V Heaslip - Heaslip
    9. Stringer v Whittaker - Stringer
    10. O Gara V Contepomi - Even
    11. Dowling V Fitzgerald - Fitzgerald
    12. Mafi V Darcy - Darcy
    13. Earls V O Driscoll - O Driscoll
    14. Howlett V Nacewa - Howlett
    15. Warwick V Kearney - Kearney

    Thats 7 v 7. I really do think it will be a tight game

    Man to man match ups probably tells about 1/2 the story, it's a team sport, 15 individuals is well and good, but it is the teams performance that wins championships. That has been Munsters real strength.

    That said it is something Leinster have shown huge improvement in over the last couple of seasons since '06, and on that basis I would make this a close game to call.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 awhir
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    Madworld wrote: »
    Heineken Cup - 2009

    Outright Betting

    Munster 7 - 10
    Cardiff Blues 7 - 2
    Leicester 5 - 1
    Leinster 7 - 1

    I think Leinsters Odds are way too high. 7-1 is ridiculous.
    1. Horan V Healy - Horan
    2. Flanney V Jackman - Flannery
    3. Hayes v Van Der Linde - Van Der Linde
    4. O Callaghan V Cullen - O Callaghan
    5. O Connoll V O Kelly - O connoll
    6. Quinlin V Elsom - Elsom
    7. Wallace V Jennings - Wallace
    8. Leamy V Heaslip - Heaslip
    9. Stringer v Whittaker - Stringer
    10. O Gara V Contepomi - Even
    11. Dowling V Fitzgerald - Fitzgerald
    12. Mafi V Darcy - Mafi
    13. Earls V O Driscoll - O Driscoll
    14. Howlett V Nacewa - Howlett
    15. Warwick V Kearney - warwick

    Thats 7 v 7. I really do think it will be a tight game

    now its correct :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,304 outwest
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    ur a mad man

    7. Wallace V Jennings - Wallace ... Jennings is a better out and out 7. Wallace is ridiculously overated by the Irish media.

    4. O Callaghan V Cullen - O Callaghan O Callaghan is riduclously overated. Cullen is ridiculously underated. O Callaghan would not play 56 times for Leicester. Cullen did.

    why would o callaghan leave to go to tigers. he getting gametime at a big club. cullen went cos he wast getting that much gametime.



    jennings is the useless.
    went to the tigers and played well with a great team
    went back to yee lot and is lucky sob hasnt got hold of that stater shirt.

    wallace has been the best player in ireland this year.

    as for the comment on rog. whenever i saw munster v leinster. i onl ever saw one outhalf bottle it.

    look forward to yuor reply :D:D:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,483 daveirl
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    This post has been deleted.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 504 Madworld
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    outwest wrote: »
    ur a mad man

    7. Wallace V Jennings - Wallace ... Jennings is a better out and out 7. Wallace is ridiculously overated by the Irish media.

    4. O Callaghan V Cullen - O Callaghan O Callaghan is riduclously overated. Cullen is ridiculously underated. O Callaghan would not play 56 times for Leicester. Cullen did.

    why would o callaghan leave to go to tigers. he getting gametime at a big club. cullen went cos he wast getting that much gametime.



    jennings is the useless.
    went to the tigers and played well with a great team
    went back to yee lot and is lucky sob hasnt got hold of that stater shirt.

    wallace has been the best player in ireland this year.

    as for the comment on rog. whenever i saw munster v leinster. i onl ever saw one outhalf bottle it.

    look forward to yuor reply :D:D:D:D

    I asked would O Callaghan play 56 times for Leicester. I never said he should. So really dont see your point.

    Right so Jennings leaves Leinster a bad player. Such a bad player in fact that he manages to get into as you say a great team, and then suddenly suddenly becomes useless. :rolleyes:Right

    :D:D:D:D:D Wallace has been our best player:D:D:D:D:D

    1. BOD 2. O Connell 3. Heaslip 4. Bowe 5. Ferris

    Look at a Lions XV by any pundit who isnt Irish and you wont find Wallace


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,466 Blisterman
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    Well, I just put a tenner on Leinster. Worth a long shot. If they play as well as I know they can, they've got a good chance of winning the title.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,207 ironingbored
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    outwest wrote: »

    wallace has been the best player in ireland this year.

    After Rocky Elsom or internationally behing BOD and POC.
    outwest wrote: »
    as for the comment on rog. whenever i saw munster v leinster. i onl ever saw one outhalf bottle it.

    06/10/2006 Leinster 27 - Munster 20
    30/11/2007 Munster 3 - Leinster 10
    12/04/2008 Leinster 21- Munster 12

    Contepomi played badly in the SH in 2006 granted. Having said that he has often been a thorn in Ireland's side on many an occasion.


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    Madworld wrote: »

    12. Mafi V D'Arcy - Mafi by a mile :P Mafi has scored 3 tries in 23 games. Darcy has scored 2 tries in 12 games. The stats speak for themselves



    15. Warwick V Kearney - even Even.... :pNot a hope. Warwick was a nobody until he went to Munster. He has never played for Australia. If he went to London Irish, he would prove he is a nobody again[/COLOR]


    when comparing 12s tries scored has much less significance than line breaks, assists, tackles missed/made etc., especially considering both numbers are so low, and using this as the basis of your argument shows how little you know on the subject.

    as for warwick, stating that he WAS a nobody before he came to munster means just as much as saying he's never played for his country, i.e irrelevant. considering his form at the moment, and considering kearneys form, theres only one winner on paper anyway


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 thomond2006
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    Off topic, but the new Reddan to Leinster thread confirms what it says on the tin.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 69 gearstick
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    After Rocky Elsom or internationally behing BOD and POC.



    06/10/2006 Leinster 27 - Munster 20
    30/11/2007 Munster 3 - Leinster 10
    12/04/2008 Leinster 21- Munster 12


    Contepomi played badly in the SH in 2006 granted. Having said that he has often been a thorn in Ireland's side on many an occasion.

    it always annoys me when people use last years magners league matches to boost contepomi's stats against munster, a simple google for match reports would tell you that sexton played all of the game in april, and came on after 30mins in october!

    if anything leinster might be better off playing him instead, as he has proved he can do it against munster.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,341 Chucky the tree
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    Madworld wrote: »
    Right I was holding back there on the Leinster Bias.
    1. Horan V Healy - Horan
    2. Flanney V Jackman - Flannery
    3. Hayes v Wright - Hayes
    4. O Callaghan V Cullen - O Callaghan O Callaghan is riduclously overated. Cullen is ridiculously underated. O Callaghan would not play 56 times for Leicester. Cullen did.
    5. O Connell V O Kelly - No guesses here....:P
    6. Quinlin V Elsom - Elsom
    7. Wallace V Jennings - Wallace ... Jennings is a better out and out 7. Wallace is ridiculously overated by the Irish media.
    8. Leamy V Heaslip - Heaslip
    9. Stringer v Two Steps - Stringer
    10. O Gara V Dr. Phil - ROG edges Dr. Bottler ROG is the biggest bottler going. Ireland matches prove that.
    11. Dowling V Fitzgerald - Fitzgerald
    12. Mafi V D'Arcy - Mafi by a mile :P Mafi has scored 3 tries in 23 games. Darcy has scored 2 tries in 12 games. The stats speak for themselves
    13. Earls V O Driscoll - BOD BOD by a light years. Have a feeling Earls will be another 'great white hope' like Trimble
    14. Howlett V Nacewa - Howlett by light years
    15. Warwick V Kearney - evenEven.... :pNot a hope. Warwick was a nobody until he went to Munster. He has never played for Australia. If he went to London Irish, he would prove he is a nobody again



    Hey RF.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,382 Fishtits
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    Bottom line.

    Until Leinster get rid of Cheika, they will win FA.

    His tactical ability is piss poor and declining..


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,161 Podge_irl
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    gearstick wrote: »
    if anything leinster might be better off playing him instead, as he has proved he can do it against munster.

    Leinster play better with Sexton against every team, not just Munster.
    Personally I'm making the spread much narrower than the bookies on Saturday but that's because I think Leinster as a unit will play very well, but I don't think most of their players would make a combined team at all.

    Really? I would have gone the opposite way. About the only think about Leinster that looks well coached is their defence. For everything else they seem to rely on individuals rather then any kind of cohesion. Playing their best individually I think a combined team would be split about 60-40 in Munster's favour, but Munster are simply a more settled and better coached team which accentuates the difference in quality. It hasn't helped that the Leinster team seems to have chopped and changed a lot more this year because of injuries but its not really enough of an excuse. There is no denying the talent in Leinster's backline, but by Christ the amount of times they run into each other or over-run support lines etc. It's ridiculous.


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    daveirl wrote: »
    This post has been deleted.

    It was all going so well up until that statement. :rolleyes:

    Having said that, I do agree that Jennings isn't the player that people think he is, Ronan has a long time at Leinster and never made it, even when Jennings wasn't there - but I'd certainly play O'Brien ahead of Jennings, particularly for the physicality of this game and a back-row of O'Brien, Heaslip & Rocky is just about as combative and abrasive as you will find anywhere.

    Leinsters real problems are in the second row where we are weak enough anyway, but put that with playing against the best second row pairing in the competition and around the park Munster gain a large advantage from that.

    Leinsters set piece is better however.

    But the problem then is that Leinster have a poor half back pairing in Whitaker and Contepomi, especially if Contepomi is rattled again!!

    Sexton should be starting with Contepomi at 12 - but I just don't see how this could be done now after giving him such little game time over the season it's tough to call upon him in a game like this that will be test match intensity.

    The difference in the Leinster backs when he plays though is ridiculos and we are a FAR better team with Sexton on the pitch (if Cullen & Jennings are over rated then Sexton is equally under rated, not least by Munster fans - but maybe that's a good thing if he plays and they don't expect much from him).

    As for the rest, well there's not a great deal to pick between either of them, but as I've said before - Munster are by a mile favourites in this match on form alone, it's their game to lose.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,259 NickNolte
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    I can see where this thread is ultimately headed. :rolleyes:

    Yawn


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 danthefan
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    If Niall Ronan was better than Jennings he'd still be starting for Leinster this weekend rather than benching for Munster.

    Anyway all this player head-to-head stuff is ultimately meaningless. It's all about how the team performs on the day.


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    Blisterman wrote: »
    Well, I just put a tenner on Leinster. Worth a long shot. If they play as well as I know they can, they've got a good chance of winning the title.

    Dream on! Thanks to Paddy Power ( not to mention Cardiff Blues and Leinster last night) I have a decent bet on Munster to win by more than 13 points and a smaller, more risky (?) bet on a win by more than 22. Going on Leinster's dismal performance last night I just can't see them overcoming the ability, spirit and confidence of this Munster side. Hell will freeze over first!

    C'MON MUNSTER!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,187 Sangre
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    I don't think Leinster have a hope of winning the HC.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,259 NickNolte
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    *sigh*


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 anonymous_joe
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    NickNolte wrote: »
    *sigh*

    Yup.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 504 Madworld
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    Im off for some kip.

    I have €20 down on a Leinster v Leiceter Final at 13-1. I dont believe the hype about this Munster team. Its the same hype that surrounded New Zealand in the last World cup. Look how they did.

    Leinster are going into this as massive underdogs. Last time they were considered such underdogs they beat Toulouse 41-35 in their own back yard. And if people are honest, Leinster individually they are a more talented team. I genuinly believe that after the scrap they put up against Quinns they could win this. Munster contain arguably the best 5 in the world (although I personally prefer Matfield) Leinster contain the best 3, 6 and 13 in the world. So to give a team of this talent no chance is crazy


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3 Sparks89


    there is no way that warwick or o gara can be regarded as better than kearney or contepomi. warwick is on the form of his life and is turning out to be a good player. kearney has proven that he is one of the most complete full backs around. he has even managed to put himself in with a shout for the lions no.15 ahead of byrne who was a dead cert until the 6 nations. Also Dr Phil cannot be called a bottler on the bases of one poor game whereas ROG goes missing anytime the pressure comes on and ireland have to look towards the likes of O Connell and O Driscoll, who are real world class players, to pull them through. So no way can Contepomi be called a bottler.
    And no im not from Leinster.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,161 Podge_irl
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    Sparks89 wrote: »
    Also Dr Phil cannot be called a bottler on the bases of one poor game whereas ROG goes missing anytime the pressure comes on and ireland have to look towards the likes of O Connell and O Driscoll, who are real world class players, to pull them through. So no way can Contepomi be called a bottler.
    And no im not from Leinster.

    One poor game? I, alas, am from Leinster and have seen Conters have many, many poor games for Leinster. O'Gara is the better fly-half, I've never seen anything to convince me otherwise. Conters is certainly better at certain things and when he is on song he's great, but Leinster have always needed an O'Gara, Holwell or Sexton at 10 rather then a Contepomi.


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    ALH-06 wrote: »
    Munster's mental resilience counts for so so much in a match like this. That's my real worry.
    11. The 16th Man (i.e. the crowd) is Munster's advantage as well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,023 Tim Robbins
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    Leinster are going into this as massive underdogs. Last time they were considered such underdogs they beat Toulouse 41-35 in their own back yard. And if people are honest, Leinster individually they are a more talented team. I genuinly believe that after the scrap they put up against Quinns they could win this. Munster contain arguably the best 5 in the world (although I personally prefer Matfield) Leinster contain the best 3, 6 and 13 in the world. So to give a team of this talent no chance is crazy
    That Leinster team was a far better team. The backs were playing far better that season. They had hammered Bath in the stoop whereas this season we scraped through against Quins.


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    Madworld wrote: »
    Im off for some kip.

    I have €20 down on a Leinster v Leiceter Final at 13-1. I dont believe the hype about this Munster team. Its the same hype that surrounded New Zealand in the last World cup. Look how they did.

    Leinster are going into this as massive underdogs. Last time they were considered such underdogs they beat Toulouse 41-35 in their own back yard. And if people are honest, Leinster individually they are a more talented team. I genuinly believe that after the scrap they put up against Quinns they could win this. Munster contain arguably the best 5 in the world (although I personally prefer Matfield) Leinster contain the best 3, 6 and 13 in the world. So to give a team of this talent no chance is crazy
    Are you a feckin troll?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,577 Colm_OReilly
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    Maybe a better discussion would be:

    A) What do Leinster need to do to beat Munster? and

    B) Can they do it?

    Mods, split if you think it deserves a thread of it's own.


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    One poor game? I, alas, am from Leinster and have seen Conters have many, many poor games for Leinster.

    Agreed. Contepomi has been great for Leinster rugby over the years but he's also had it fair share of games where he seemed nervous and performed appallingly. To be fair, I've seen O'Gara have quite a few of those moments with Ireland. Having said this, this isn't Ireland vs Argentina - this is Leinster vs Munster. If either O'Gara or Contepomi are likely to have a shocker, I'd say it'll be Contepomi.

    To be fair though, I think every fan can agree with it would be good to see all players from both teams put in the performance of their lives and for the game to be top drawer entertainment. Watching Contepomi bottle it again only for Munster to run away with the game because of the nerves of one man isn't exactly a great day out.
    Podge_irl wrote: »
    O'Gara is the better fly-half, I've never seen anything to convince me otherwise

    RWC 2007 maybe? Certainly in the Heineken Cup, O'Gara seems to have the edge over Contepomi though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,770 danthefan
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    Maybe a better discussion would be:

    A) What do Leinster need to do to beat Munster? and

    B) Can they do it?

    Mods, split if you think it deserves a thread of it's own.

    A) Up the intensity shown against Quins, don't miss any stupid tackles like TP, kick 100% of their goals.

    b) Yes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,549 Judgement Day
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    'Watching Contepomi bottle it again only for Munster to run away with the game because of the nerves of one man isn't exactly a great day out.'


    It will do though! :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,255 anonymous_joe
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    Maybe a better discussion would be:

    A) What do Leinster need to do to beat Munster? and

    B) Can they do it?

    Mods, split if you think it deserves a thread of it's own.

    A) Last time we played Munster the pack was dominant, considering Munster's reputation as an international powerhouse. So dominate their pack again and then build upon it - better kicking, and I mean both of goals and from hand would put Munster under a pressure that few others have put them under.

    B) Certainly won't be easy. The most diehard of Leinster fans won't say it's easy. But despite what you'll hear from Munster fans and the media, of course they can do it.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,161 Podge_irl
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    NickNolte wrote: »
    RWC 2007 maybe? Certainly in the Heineken Cup, O'Gara seems to have the edge over Contepomi though.

    Well yes, they're both capable of spectacular meltdowns. Conters played 12 mostly in the RWC though didn't he?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 louthandproud
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    A) Last time we played Munster the pack was dominant, considering Munster's reputation as an international powerhouse. So dominate their pack again and then build upon it - better kicking, and I mean both of goals and from hand would put Munster under a pressure that few others have put them under.

    In the scrums yes and only for first half. Other than that Munster pack were on top that evening.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,860 Henry Ford III
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    It'll be closer than may expect, but the bookies are seldom wrong.


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    In the scrums yes and only for first half. Other than that Munster pack were on top that evening.

    I think if there'd been any support from their backs they'd have kept it up.

    At the end of the day, Munster's success is to do with their qualities as a team more than their quality as individuals. Think Leinster are proof of the importance of that synergy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 975 louthandproud
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    I think if there'd been any support from their backs they'd have kept it up.

    At the end of the day, Munster's success is to do with their qualities as a team more than their quality as individuals. Think Leinster are proof of the importance of that synergy.

    This time I 100% agree with you!


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