Higher Level Irish Paper 2 Advice?

Duffman'05

Hi,

So basically I was foolish at the start of the year and thought I could manage honours Irish well enough to get a B3:( Things aren't looking so well anymore! I'm very confident that my oral went well, I have a nice big cúlú essay tied down for Paper 1 but the prose, poetry and stories will be the death of me!

Does anyone have any tips for studying paper 2? Naturally the size of the bleedin thing is a problem but the real obstacle for me is actually learning Irish:o what I mean by that is - I'd consider myslef to be good at learning off by heart - Bio etc. - but the problem with trying to memorise Irish is that it's not as logical - by which I mean it's more like trying to learn off a paragraph of ''sounds'' because I'm obviously far from fluent!:o

Any one with the same difficulty in learning Irish have any tips? To see a C1/B3 on my results sheet would be ''A2/A1'' for me personally:D

Go raibh maith agaibh!

gemxpink

My advice would be to not learn off whole paragraphs. Learn words/phrases that you can easily manipulate and change to suit any poem/story.

i disagree. i think you should learn off paragraphs but not whole essays. yes u should learn off one-liners and maybe some old sayings but dont waste loads of time on them. make sure all of your paragraphs start by referring to the title. markers dont even look at paragraphs with nothing to do with the title so be careful.
yeah im hopin for the same thing you are. i think papar one will be fine but paper 2 is goin to be sheeet.
for the poetry an easy way out (or at least easier) is to just learn off a page long summary of the poems. a summary will automatically get you a c3 regardless of the question.
poem predictions:
jack
faoiseamh
gealt
higher poems:
mathair
dá mbéidir
pros:
bean og
lig sinn i gcathu
cearbhach
anybody any other insights?? especially on an stair?

Redbhoy

I dont suppose anyone would have any links to sample essays? Go raibh mile maith agat.

jkbrackens11

What is the storyline of An Bhean Og and Lig Sinn I gCahtu? Especially the second one I really didn't get it?

JSK 252

[quote=[Deleted User];60141868]i disagree. i think you should learn off paragraphs but not whole essays. yes u should learn off one-liners and maybe some old sayings but dont waste loads of time on them. make sure all of your paragraphs start by referring to the title. markers dont even look at paragraphs with nothing to do with the title so be careful.
yeah im hopin for the same thing you are. i think papar one will be fine but paper 2 is goin to be sheeet.
for the poetry an easy way out (or at least easier) is to just learn off a page long summary of the poems. a summary will automatically get you a c3 regardless of the question.
poem predictions:
jack
faoiseamh
gealt
higher poems:
mathair
dá mbéidir
pros:
bean og
lig sinn i gcathu
cearbhach
anybody any other insights?? especially on an stair?[/QUOTE]

Ogham and Na gluaiseanna are always in with a shout.

Fiannaiocht and toraiocht diarmuida agus Ghrainne.

Watch out for gaeltacht and the caighdean ( hasnt been asked in a fecking while ).

ok this is going to sound a little sad, but, what exactly is an stair? i know it means history but what do you have to write??
i just started higher in february and i concentrated mainly on the oral, im studying at home...
and what do all those titles mean that you just mentioned there??

Jammyc

[quote=[Deleted User];60146532]ok this is going to sound a little sad, but, what exactly is an stair? i know it means history but what do you have to write??
i just started higher in february and i concentrated mainly on the oral, im studying at home...
and what do all those titles mean that you just mentioned there??[/quote]
Ok, well basically, its a question at the end of paper 2 worth 30 marks.

you attempt 2 of the 6 or so questions there.

Theyre very general, they just list a heading which you hopefully have studied and you write any 3 main points on it, doesnt have to be very long.

Stair na Gaeilge

Here's a little link for some help, if youre completely lost.
Also, have a look at Past Papers
for some past papers.

The headings above are the ones tipped to come up.

cautioner

Harrison Icy Boy wrote:

for the poetry an easy way out (or at least easier) is to just learn off a page long summary of the poems. a summary will automatically get you a c3 regardless of the question.

Someone please restore my faith in the system and assure me that this isn't true.

Fad

JSK 252 wrote: »

Fiannaiocht and toraiocht diarmuida agus Ghrainne.

I'm doing the book of that for my selected Prós thing too! If that comes up OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG etc

cautioner wrote: »

Someone please restore my faith in the system and assure me that this isn't true.

I really seriously question the validity of it too

But what faith do you have in the system !

QueenOfLeon

cautioner wrote: »

Someone please restore my faith in the system and assure me that this isn't true.

That can't be....maybe thats like the marks you get with perfect irish but not much reference to the question? And a summary will have some relevance i suppose.... Wouldn't risk it tho! Will be needing more than a C3! :P

Jammyc

Jammyc wrote: »

Ok, well basically, its a question at the end of paper 2 worth 30 marks.

you attempt 2 of the 6 or so questions there.

Theyre very general, they just list a heading which you hopefully have studied and you write any 3 main points on it, doesnt have to be very long.

Stair na Gaeilge

Here's a little link for some help, if youre completely lost.
Also, have a look at Past Papers
for some past papers.

The headings above are the ones tipped to come up.

so in that stair link im seeing links to all the titles, are the paragraphs the things we are supposed to write??

ok ok, kind of answered my own question. but now i want to know what some of these mean..
ogham in the dictionary means script, yeah? then when i was reading the paragraph it was saying "the oldest writing system in old irish"... what does that mean??
fianaiocht is a myth right? so its just telling the story of this guy?
caighdean means standard?? standard of what?? and its not on the stair site...
na gluaiseanna is vocab and its not on the site either.
toraiocht diarmuida is the search for something.... its not on the site...
can anybody clear any of this up for me please??

Redbhoy

Just listening to Radio Na Life 106.4fm and they're analysing Faoiseamh a gheobhadsa.
They have previous programmes on their website.

http://www.raidionalife.ie//filiocht_na_hardteiste.htm

daithiolabhrai

Redbhoy wrote: »

Just listening to Radio Na Life 106.4fm and they're analysing Faoiseamh a gheobhadsa.
They have previous programmes on their website.

http://www.raidionalife.ie//filiocht_na_hardteiste.htm

I never even knew they were doing this. That's actually great help, thanks a lot!

JSK 252

[quote=[Deleted User];60157052]ok ok, kind of answered my own question. but now i want to know what some of these mean..
ogham in the dictionary means script, yeah? then when i was reading the paragraph it was saying "the oldest writing system in old irish"... what does that mean??
fianaiocht is a myth right? so its just telling the story of this guy?
caighdean means standard?? standard of what?? and its not on the stair site...
na gluaiseanna is vocab and its not on the site either.
toraiocht diarmuida is the search for something.... its not on the site...
can anybody clear any of this up for me please??[/QUOTE]

Would you like me to clear up the fact that your talking ****?

JSK 252

Fad wrote: »

I'm doing the book of that for my selected Prós thing too! If that comes up OMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOMG etc




I really seriously question the validity of it too

But what faith do you have in the system !

That cool! So what could you be asked on that? Is it pros roghnach?

So basically you get the double cheese burger if it comes up in both sections!;)

Fad

JSK 252 wrote: »

That cool! So what could you be asked on that? Is it pros roghnach?

So basically you get the double cheese burger if it comes up in both sections!;)

The section where you do an Triail, úrsceal roghnach?

I'd say writing a page about it would be harder than writing about the main characters tbh.

It is easily one of the more ridiculous thing I've had to "Deal with", I mean I loved it for the sheer ridiculousness of it, and its near total lack of plot (Not to mention what little plot there is being nearly completely reliant on Deus Ex Machinas to keep it going) but writing answers on it is just horrible.

cautioner

[quote=[Deleted User];60157052]ok ok, kind of answered my own question. but now i want to know what some of these mean..
ogham in the dictionary means script, yeah? then when i was reading the paragraph it was saying "the oldest writing system in old irish"... what does that mean??
fianaiocht is a myth right? so its just telling the story of this guy?
caighdean means standard?? standard of what?? and its not on the stair site...
na gluaiseanna is vocab and its not on the site either.
toraiocht diarmuida is the search for something.... its not on the site...
can anybody clear any of this up for me please??[/quote]

1. Get a textbook, eg Diogras Nua.

2. Go to the Stair na Gaeilge section near the back.

3. Learn off the stuff.

cautioner

cautioner wrote: »

1. Get a textbook, eg Diogras Nua.

2. Go to the Stair na Gaeilge section near the back.

3. Learn off the stuff.

diogras nua?... k.

Piste

JSK 252 wrote: »

Would you like me to clear up the fact that your talking ****?

Cool it, Harrison Icy Boy was just trying to find out what s/he has to know for the stair section, no need to be so hostile.

cautioner

[quote=[Deleted User];60182259]diogras nua?... k.[/quote]

Maybe there's a stand-alone Stair na Gaeilge textbook or something, all I'm saying is Diogras is the one I use. It also has all the rest of the prescribed poetry and prose, some grammar and some essay stuff. Check around anyway. SnaG is a relatively small section of the book so it might be a bit of a waste to go buying one at this stage...

JSK 252

The book by cj.fallon is out of print and is like gold dust to get.

Jammyc

cautioner wrote: »

Diogras is the one I use.

Yeah Im using Diogras aswell. We have done barely any Stair in class, and Im managing with the help of a dictionary to get through a fair chunk and understand it. So Diogras is purdy good for it.

starry nights

HI!!

i saw your comment and just wanted to give some tips.
i am in an all irish school (dont hate me and yes we do every subject through irish) and if it makes you feel better i am ****ting it tomorrow coz ive a sheep for a teacher and basically learned everything myself/ with the institute notes.

anyway, for poetry READ OVER the poems, make sure you UNDERSTAND them, otherwise you'll do badly. The question will be phrased a bit funny but don't panic coz if you stay calm you'll get the jist of it.

Now, i personally would not learn pargraphs of stuff coz its time and effort and hard. I'd learn nice simple phrases like "I mo thuairim léirítear na gnáth daoine mar na gealt ar an bus" (in my opinion the normal-people ar shown as the mental ones)

keep it simple! If you dont then you will only panic, trust me!
But hey! one paper down and it was a lovely paper, the fabulous recession.

hope i've helped you.

xOxSinéadxOx

what poems/prós should I learn? I don't want to learn them all

Amirani

xOxSinéadxOx wrote: »

what poems/prós should I learn? I don't want to learn them all

Poems are on the paper, don't need to know them that well. Jack, Faoiseamh a Gheobhadsa and An Chead Drama are good bets.

Stories I'd go for are Cearbhach MacCaba, An Bhean Og and Lig Sin i gCathu.

xOxSinéadxOx

yeah I'll be grand for the ordinary poems, I don't really understand the higher so I'm looking over them. hope on cead drama comes up actually, that's easy