Why Don't 'Save Cancer' Campaign Run Cllr??

shellyriver

Hi posties --

Considering the genuine, real and palpable anger concerning the Cancer Services retention campaign in Sligo -- I am a little baffled why the SOS don't run a candidate in Sligo.

I know, that John Perry TD said if Fine Gael were in the withdrawal wouldn't happen in Sligo Hospital.

I think the likes of Fergal McLoughlin would be a wonderful straight-talking conviction representative -- that wee McMorrow lady can certainly hold her own.

They probably want to try and keep in anti-Government parties and rise above the mire -- but I'd certainly give my No 1 preference to however stood for this campaign, and I believe they would have huge support.

What does thoust think?

Xiney

Maybe you should contact them and ask?

EuskalHerria

I havn't been to a meeting in a while, but will be there at the I.T on tuesday to ask. I Remember this being asked before.

shellyriver

I attended Public Rallies -- and trust me I'd love to, but have a very busy career and can't take the time.

As I stated, what I can do its give them the benefit of my franchise.

Just wondering why the SOS group don't run a candidate.

Maybe Flukey Gorman could be dusty down -- he'd certainly attract attention.

Jesus there were some real characters in Sligo in the 80s.

slapbangwhallop

Xiney wrote: »

Maybe you should contact them and ask?

maybe you should keep your snide comments to yourself!This is a dicussion forum after all!

fmcc

seemed to be a suggestion to me rather than a snide comment.

slapbangwhallop

fmcc wrote: »

seemed to be a suggestion to me rather than a snide comment.

yeah right! :rolleyes:

darealtulip

fmcc wrote: »

seemed to be a suggestion to me rather than a snide comment.

+1 And a good suggestion, I would be interessted what their answer would be.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

Uh-oooh! Someone's gonna get in trouble!

slapbangwhallop

darealtulip wrote: »

+1 And a good suggestion, I would be interessted what their answer would be.

Nothing to do with that poster being your friend? What if everyone replied to an OP like that - what a funny place it would be! It was an ignorant and snide comment in my opinion.

Xiney

slapbangwhallop banned for 1 month

(he's on his third ban from this forum - next one will be permanent)

darealtulip

slapbangwhallop wrote: »

Nothing to do with that poster being your friend? What if everyone replied to an OP like that - what a funny place it would be! It was an ignorant and snide comment in my opinion.

And I still got warnings and a post removed, just because she doesn't side while having her moderator hat on!!!

jimmycrackcorm

Why do people want to keep substandard cancer services in sligo instead of using a centre of excellence in the first place?

fmcc

Jimmy where is sligo substandard? Ask anyone reciving treatment how much they enjoy their bus journey up and down to Galway everyday. Or you could stay in Galway and have your family and friends travel to see you instead. Either way a major pain in the ass when undergoing treatment.

shellyriver

Head Crack Head, are you in FF or the HSE, or just some random person with a simplistic and puerile view on the topic. You call it substandard -- however, medical reports claim that it's on a par with a top hospital in New York.

Maybe you should crack your head off a pavement -- and knock a little sense into it.

I was in Mater where a relative -- a native of Sligo -- would subsequently shortly die due to Cancer. There aint no such thing as a Centre of Excellence -- its politico-babble. Why should people in Sligo have to travel to an underfunded and over-crowded hospital hundreds of miles away for cancer treatment? Allied with those the likes of Breast Cancer is available in Sligo Town.

PS Xiney -- in response to your response which is on this thread -- so I take it that it's okay to reply -- as a matter of fact I did ask the SOS about running a candidate, and got no reply.

Hope that clarifies matters for you Xiney -- because as the thread is posing the question, I don't know all the whys and wherefores on the matter -- so I am curious and interested to learn other's viewpoints on this issue.

Hope that that is in order.

Xiney

shellyriver banned for 1 month for insulting another user and inciting violence against the same.

darealtulip

shellyriver wrote: »

PS Xiney -- in response to your response which is on this thread -- so I take it that it's okay to reply -- as a matter of fact I did ask the SOS about running a candidate, and got no reply.

Hope that clarifies matters for you Xiney -- because as the thread is posing the question, I don't know all the whys and wherefores on the matter -- so I am curious and interested to learn other's viewpoints on this issue.

Hope that that is in order.

Can't believe they didn't reply!!! I think it's a good idea as well to run a candidate.

starbelgrade

shellyriver wrote: »

Hi posties --

Considering the genuine, real and palpable anger concerning the Cancer Services retention campaign in Sligo -- I am a little baffled why the SOS don't run a candidate in Sligo.

It's only one issue - a big one granted, but I can't see anyone being elected if their policy is a single issue.

Nice one on getting the one month ban though - you don't often see that in this forum. People tend to be nice to one another & discuss issues without flinging out insults when others disagree with you.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Why do people want to keep substandard cancer services in sligo instead of using a centre of excellence in the first place?

Also people in Donegal now have to travel through Sligo to Galway in order to undergo treatment.
Some of these people are very elderly and are often not guaranteed a bed when they get there. I've actually heard of people being sent home without being treated as they are so short staffed / busy.
So in summary, you could spend up to 5 hours traveling to Galway, end up sitting on a bed / trolley for hours, not get treated and spend another 5 hours traveling home. A lot of these patients would be retired and wouldn't own their own cars so would be forced to use public transport or if they're lucky a relative could take time off work to drive them to their appointments.

EuskalHerria

starbelgrade wrote: »

It's only one issue - a big one granted, but I can't see anyone being elected if their policy is a single issue.

To be fair at least it would be known that it is an issue that is not a personal one, something that can't be said for everyone running around this county.

starbelgrade

EuskalHerria wrote: »

To be fair at least it would be known that it is an issue that is not a personal one, something that can't be said for everyone running around this county.

It's still isn't enough to make me vote - anyone running for office needs to have comprehensive policies.

The_Minister

fmcc wrote: »

Jimmy where is sligo substandard? Ask anyone reciving treatment how much they enjoy their bus journey up and down to Galway everyday. Or you could stay in Galway and have your family and friends travel to see you instead. Either way a major pain in the ass when undergoing treatment.

And what you are ignoring is that the evidence shows that there could be a 20%+ difference in the survival rates. That's why countries are adopting this model all over Europe.
Convenience is nothing when compared to a 20% difference in survival.

fmcc

The_Minister wrote: »

And what you are ignoring is that the evidence shows that there could be a 20%+ difference in the survival rates. That's why countries are adopting this model all over Europe.
Convenience is nothing when compared to a 20% difference in survival.

What evidence minister ( love the name) and Prof Keane's assertion that we will have 2 or 3rd best cancer treatmenrt in Europe/world whens its finished?
1 when will it be finished and 2 is that his opinion ( he designed it) or independantly assesed?

The_Minister

fmcc wrote: »

What evidence minister ( love the name) and Prof Keane's assertion that we will have 2 or 3rd best cancer treatmenrt in Europe/world whens its finished?
1 when will it be finished and 2 is that his opinion ( he designed it) or independantly assesed?

Over 300 studies published across the world show that centralised cancer systems work (on average) 20% better. Keane isn't just pulling this out of his ass, its based on actual evidence.

EuskalHerria

The_Minister wrote: »

Over 300 studies published across the world show that centralised cancer systems work (on average) 20% better. Keane isn't just pulling this out of his ass, its based on actual evidence.

No worries for yourself I'm sure your feeling safe enough sitting beside 4 centre of excellences.

darealtulip

EuskalHerria wrote: »

No worries for yourself I'm sure your feeling safe enough sitting beside 4 centre of excellences.

Did you run out of arguments? Normaly you have arguments but now some one comes with facts you result to this? Bit childish and below your usual level.

fmcc

over 300 studies fair enough please post a lnk to 3-5 of them if possible that focus on rural communities. canada is the obvious but not so much rural as wilderness so i wonder is it really a fair comparison.

Hail 2 Da Chimp

The_Minister wrote: »

Over 300 studies published across the world show that centralised cancer systems work (on average) 20% better.

Maybe they work better on average but that's not to say the government knew what they were doing when they had drawn up this plan...

tuppence

I agree. As the argument goes Sligo Generals Cancer services have been assessed at this moment in time and found to be of an excellent standard. The others appear in some cases to have along way to reach this level as evidence above is beginning to emerge.(they are just starting out to be fair on them)
And isnt it the case that many may have advocated that the centres of excellence may indeed be a good model. However in a very unequal roads and rails infrastructure that we have historically found ourselves it is causing a huge burden for people having to travel these long distances as Hail 2 da Chimp pointed out. With the quality that Sligo General has along with its position in a historically remote region, this is an argument in itself for it to be the 5th Centre of excellence?

guinnessdrinker

I agree with tuppence. The centres of excellence look great on paper, why wouldn't they though? Who can argue against specialised units that can increase survival rates?

However, the geographical spread of the centres is ill thought out for lack of better words. With no centre of excellence north of the line between Dublin and Galway. And as tuppence pointed out we simply do not have very good infastructure that is needed for people that have to travel long distances in comfort. We don't even have a rail link to Galway and whilst the road from Sligo town to Galway city is not the worst, it's certainly not the best in places and what about people that have to travel from rural areas in the North West to get to Galway?

EuskalHerria

darealtulip wrote: »

Did you run out of arguments? Normaly you have arguments but now some one comes with facts you result to this? Bit childish and below your usual level.

Was just highlighting the fact that it is easy for someone based in dublin to argue that Dr.keanes plan is ineed one that will benifit the entire country, when he or she does not have to travel very far for cancer treatment and testing.

It is merely an observation that requires "the minister" to have some perspective on the matter, that people in the north west are looking at serious travel hours to seek basic cancer treaatment and testing.

Also Hopefully everyone will try and make the effort to get to the cancer services meeting at 8 o clock tonight in the sligo I.T. directions to which room are availabe at the front desk, hopefully those who can will attend.

darealtulip

EuskalHerria wrote: »

Was just highlighting the fact that it is easy for someone based in dublin to argue that Dr.keanes plan is ineed one that will benifit the entire country, when he or she does not have to travel very far for cancer treatment and testing.

It is merely an observation that requires "the minister" to have some perspective on the matter, that people in the north west are looking at serious travel hours to seek basic cancer treaatment and testing.

Also Hopefully everyone will try and make the effort to get to the cancer services meeting at 8 o clock tonight in the sligo I.T. directions to which room are availabe at the front desk, hopefully those who can will attend.

That's more your usual self!!;)

starbelgrade

The_Minister wrote: »

Over 300 studies published across the world show that centralised cancer systems work (on average) 20% better.

The problem that still remains here, is that the HSE works (on average) 50% worse than any other health service executive in the world.

EuskalHerria

Was quite a poor turnout at the meeting tonight to be fair. For an issue affecting the northwest for me I think there should be more than 35-40 people in a room discussing the future of many more peoples cancer services.

For those who may forget when the meetings are on please PM your mobile number as I will be starting a message service to just simply txt people wednsday evening and remind them of when and where the meetings are happening.

il gatto

I don't think a single issue candidate would help much. With no party backing, they're not given the speaking time, support or power to do anything. If one went forward and was elected, it'd be a protest vote and no more. Surely it's not too much to ask that a candidate with other policies should be strong and vocal on the issue? Is it?...........:rolleyes:

shellyriver

Just looking back on my suggestion that SOS should have run a candidate.

Any review of local newspapers indicates, looking back on all the local coverage, ehmm, excuse me the TOP ISSUE was Cancer Services, this was Sligo Cancer Services.

Curious how any attempt to generate debate ended up.

shellyriver

In the interests of consistency, I think its fair to say somebody has forgotten to dispense a very precise wrist slapping here.

Xiney

shellyriver wrote: »

In the interests of consistency, I think its fair to say somebody has forgotten to dispense a very precise wrist slapping here.

Right, if all you've come back to do is complain about the moderation, you don't have to come back at all.

Either cop on or I'm permabanning you.

bobcar61

+1 with what Xiney said.

If your going to post some rubbish then your better off not contributing at all.

shellyriver

Dearie Me

Culchie

shellyriver wrote: »

Dearie Me

It's Quelle Surprise.

hi_sir

now cancer services is very close to me i have see it too many times in my family but i just feel i have to mention an incident that happened the day before the local elections i was in sligo town and came across a group of the cancer services people lobbying people not to vote FF this guy straight out asked me who was i voting for when i told him it was none of his buisness at started on me that i was a one of them FF crowd(now i dont really heed the part thing i have voted on the individual not the party) he then more or less got abusive with me i was disgusted i tried to tell him of my family links with cancer but he wouldnt listen he was on a rant,i had just to walk away.the funny thing is my vote was still down the country where i lived before i moved to the north west,so from the start this guy was barking up the wrong tree.
I now do belive the SOS crowd have over steped the mark and lost sight of fight and decended the campagin into a vendetta against FF,i had looked favourably ont the SOS fight in the past but now detest it after the way i was threated,maybe its just a case of a few headers joining a campagin just to get at the goverment but no heed on the cancer services.

Culchie

hi_sir wrote: »

now cancer services is very close to me i have see it too many times in my family but i just feel i have to mention an incident that happened the day before the local elections i was in sligo town and came across a group of the cancer services people lobbying people not to vote FF this guy straight out asked me who was i voting for when i told him it was none of his buisness at started on me that i was a one of them FF crowd(now i dont really heed the part thing i have voted on the individual not the party) he then more or less got abusive with me i was disgusted i tried to tell him of my family links with cancer but he wouldnt listen he was on a rant,i had just to walk away.the funny thing is my vote was still down the country where i lived before i moved to the north west,so from the start this guy was barking up the wrong tree.
I now do belive the SOS crowd have over steped the mark and lost sight of fight and decended the campagin into a vendetta against FF,i had looked favourably ont the SOS fight in the past but now detest it after the way i was threated,maybe its just a case of a few headers joining a campagin just to get at the goverment but no heed on the cancer services.

You were put in a tough spot... but when FF have been in power approx 22 out of the last 25 years...it's understandable that the negaitivity is vented against all those that campaigned under the FF banner.

I have no doubt that some FF candidates are young, ambitious and talented, but then have to fall under the party whip.

You make your bed and lie in it I'm afraid. I'm in favour of the voting for the 'local man' regardless of party allegiance...but if politicians decide to align themselves to a party then I guess they have to live and die by those decisions the same way as Joe Soap Public have to make similar calls and stand by them every day of the week.

EuskalHerria

hi_sir wrote: »

now cancer services is very close to me i have see it too many times in my family but i just feel i have to mention an incident that happened the day before the local elections i was in sligo town and came across a group of the cancer services people lobbying people not to vote FF this guy straight out asked me who was i voting for when i told him it was none of his buisness at started on me that i was a one of them FF crowd(now i dont really heed the part thing i have voted on the individual not the party) he then more or less got abusive with me i was disgusted i tried to tell him of my family links with cancer but he wouldnt listen he was on a rant,i had just to walk away.the funny thing is my vote was still down the country where i lived before i moved to the north west,so from the start this guy was barking up the wrong tree.
I now do belive the SOS crowd have over steped the mark and lost sight of fight and decended the campagin into a vendetta against FF,i had looked favourably ont the SOS fight in the past but now detest it after the way i was threated,maybe its just a case of a few headers joining a campagin just to get at the goverment but no heed on the cancer services.

Obviously the above situation is unnecessary and you have the right to withhold who you are voting for from anyone you choose. Firstly this issue is one very much charged with emotions. As you and probably everyone else on here can say that they have been directly or indirectly affected by cancer and the proposed removal of cancer services from Sligo general hospital. This emotions can get the better of some, and while still inexcusable, should maybe permit yourself to be less annoyed and understanding of the situation and the emotions that go with it.

Secondly the SOS group is completely voluntary and open to everyone who is genuinely interested in preserving the services we have at the minute in the hospital. There are regular meetings and campaigns organised by the SOS group. If you feel that the focus of the group is perhaps deviating from what it should be then I would suggest you attend these events and voice your concern and ideas. It would be good to have yours and others support and also your input at the meetings which are regular but not always well attended. At the end of the day your input is more appreciated at these events than on the internet. While the tock is counting down for services to be removed, it seems to be left to the same few to try and preserve the services which if nothing else is just a pity.

jaaavaaa

Note: I have not had time to read the entire thread, and the following post is based entirely on the thread title; apologies!

The day of the election, I entered Dunnes and was bombared by the "Save Sligo Cancer Services" campaign. I am entirely supportive of this campaign, so I asked "OK, who should I vote for to ensure this?" The people there could only tell me, "Not Fianna Fail, anyone else but Fianna Fail." Could anyone here perhaps give me a more precise answer?

EuskalHerria

jaaavaaa wrote: »

Note: I have not had time to read the entire thread, and the following post is based entirely on the thread title; apologies!

The day of the election, I entered Dunnes and was bombared by the "Save Sligo Cancer Services" campaign. I am entirely supportive of this campaign, so I asked "OK, who should I vote for to ensure this?" The people there could only tell me, "Not Fianna Fail, anyone else but Fianna Fail." Could anyone here perhaps give me a more precise answer?

I don't think the SOS group has any political affiliations, and that's the way it should be. It is a group comprised of people coming together from all backgrounds to preserve the cancer services in Sligo. Therefore there are many differing political beliefs within the group on a personal level.

In saying that and attending meetings the focus of the group is for the most part against the government party that are trying to remove the services from the hospital. My opinion and has been voiced before is, that method is slightly short sighted. Again though if people have any queries or questions like this then please attend the meetings. If not to get the answers to these and many more questions, but also to voice concerns and help steer the group in a better direction.

shellyriver

Watch out - verbal rubbish to be spewed. The guy who claims he was accosted re FF -v- SOS, is it possible his encounter was not representative of the wider issue.

It seems fair to say that the SOS were anti-FF, because they are responsible for an allegedly incompetent HSE. So quel?quelle? surprise re the purported anti-FF reaction.

Anyways they didn't run a candidate that this particular thread is redundant -- because there is little by way of insightful analysis and the elections are over.

I have continued to pray that this issue is resolved - let's hope it is soon.

EuskalHerria

shellyriver wrote: »

I have continued to pray that this issue is resolved - let's hope it is soon.

Prayers are good, but have you come to the meetings or lend your support in other ways?

shellyriver

1. Thanks for acknowledging prayers are good.
2. Yes.

Sweet Cheeks

IronyMaiden wrote: »

Right, if all you've come back to do is complain about the moderation, you don't have to come back at all.

Either cop on or I'm permabanning you.

although Bobcar has given this the thumbs up I wonder is there a thumbs down option available?

shellyriver

Thanks Sweets.:(