Munster edge Leinster in seasons gates.

zenmonk

Leinster's place on top of the Celtic nations highest average attendance , which since the move to the RDS has been untouched, has been taken by rivals Munster this year.
Came up with this today (slow work day)

Leinster 7 Magners League games total 110,482 ave. 15,783

Munster 7 Magners League games total 123,500 ave. 17,642
(inc. 3 games in Musgrave park)

even with 2 games to go and 1 of Munster's in Musgrave, Leinster even selling out the RDS and Munster selling out their 2 games (likely) Munster will still finish aprox 10,000 ahead.
i.e Leinster total season average 16,387
Munster 17,500.
I just worked it out for the Magners as Munster sold out Thomond for all their HCup home games as did Leinster 26,000 x 3 vs 18,500 x 3.

I suppose it will be interesting next year when the Thomond factor won't be as strong and alot of the "fans" who wanted to see the new stadium may be AWOL.

crisco10

zenmonk wrote: »

Leinster's place on top of the Celtic nations highest average attendance , which since the move to the RDS has been untouched, has been taken by rivals Munster this year.
Came up with this today (slow work day)

Leinster 7 Magners League games total 110,482 ave. 15,783

Munster 7 Magners League games total 123,500 ave. 17,642
(inc. 3 games in Musgrave park)

even with 2 games to go and 1 of Munster's in Musgrave, Leinster even selling out the RDS and Munster selling out their 2 games (likely) Munster will still finish aprox 10,000 ahead.
i.e Leinster total season average 16,387
Munster 17,500.
I just worked it out for the Magners as Munster sold out Thomond for all their HCup home games as did Leinster 26,000 x 3 vs 18,500 x 3.

I suppose it will be interesting next year when the Thomond factor won't be as strong and alot of the "fans" who wanted to see the new stadium may be AWOL.

Any figures for Ulster and Connacht?

It really amazes me the surge in interest in rugby, just between Munster and Leinster in all competitions there have been about 400,000 people at those games. Very impressive.

Good times for Irish rugby, good times.

zenmonk

crisco10 wrote: »

Any figures for Ulster and Connacht?

It really amazes me the surge in interest in rugby, just between Munster and Leinster in all competitions there have been about 400,000 people at those games. Very impressive.

Good times for Irish rugby, good times.

Connacht 7 games in ML 15,104 ave. 2,158
Ulster 7 games in ML 60,456 ave 8,637

both provinces highest gates were against Munster 5,000 and 10,058 respectively.

anonymous_joe

Impressive figures.

When the new Landsdowne opens I'd guess there'll be a few big Celtic league matches held there. Semi-finals and finals probably, which will really help.

Good to see the game in rude health here.

zenmonk

will Leinster be moving to the new stadium or returning to Donnybrook?
Donnybrook at 12,500 is hardly big enough anymore.

Paulw

Great figures.

I can't see Leinster going back to Donnybrook, it's too small. I think their lease of the RDS is for another few years. But, I can certainly see them wanting to use Landsdowne Road for the really big games.

Podge_irl

I think the RDS deal was a 20 year lease so they've plenty of time left on that. Not a hope of them moving back to Donnybrook, especially if they can't continue the upgrade works on it. Even at 12,500 most of that is terracing.

[Jackass]

Actually - there is very VERY distant talk of a Leinster stadium development with Dublin GAA. it would be a few years before construction would even commence if true, but apperantly it will be based on the bottle works site that McNamara and his bank are desperatley trying to find a use for and it would be a 25,000 capacity all seated stadium with the best facilities imaginable.

It would be perfect for Leinster in the long run considering they would have use of a 12,500 - 18,500 - 25,000 and 50,000 stadium.

As support grows, we will soon out grow RDS but perhaps Lansdowne Road would be too big for HEC group games and RDS could soon become too small for ML games - so 25,000 would be perfect for the day to day use of the team!

As I say though, this is purely rumour at the moment, but a municipal stadium is being proposed for the site. Would probably be a couple of years before a proposal was drawn up though - maybe another for planning permission and then maybe another couple of years to build, so the RDS lease wont go to waste either way.

RuggieBear

not sure i like the idea of a share with a gaa pitch...tis waay tooo big. croke park is bad enough....even when i'm on the sideline i'm miles from the bloody pitch there

Tomtom364

i doubt leinster would move to lansdown for anything other then heineken cup semis and quaters.

its just too big for leinsters demand.

anonymous_joe

Tomtom364 wrote: »

i doubt leinster would move to lansdown for anything other then heineken cup semis and quaters.

its just too big for leinsters demand.

Worst thing you could do is the Edinburgh route.

barnesd

Tomtom364 wrote: »

i doubt leinster would move to lansdown for anything other then heineken cup semis and quaters.

its just too big for leinsters demand.

There'll be some games there each year, the biggest home HEC group game along with 1 or 2 interpros. The year it opens anyway people will want go to games in the new stadium just to see it so it'll be dead easy to sell tickets I reckon.

Tomtom364

barnesd wrote: »

There'll be some games there each year, the biggest home HEC group game along with 1 or 2 interpros. The year it opens anyway people will want go to games in the new stadium just to see it so it'll be dead easy to sell tickets I reckon.

ya but dead easy to seel tickets means you have too many tickets imo.
like dont get me wrong i wish every supporter that wanted to be at the match could be but when you have even 30,000 ppl in a 50,000 seater stadium there just isnt the same atmosphere as a full 25,000 stadium

Podge_irl

RuggieBear wrote: »

not sure i like the idea of a share with a gaa pitch...tis waay tooo big. croke park is bad enough....even when i'm on the sideline i'm miles from the bloody pitch there

I tend to agree. I think a half full Lansdowne would be better than a full GAA stadium. Even with that I thought the atmosphere in Lansdowne in the HEC games when we played them there was pretty damn good even without the upper tiers being open. A GAA pitch would simply have the supporters too far away from the action.

ALH-06

[Jackass] wrote: »

Actually - there is very VERY distant talk of a Leinster stadium development with Dublin GAA. it would be a few years before construction would even commence if true, but apperantly it will be based on the bottle works site that McNamara and his bank are desperatley trying to find a use for and it would be a 25,000 capacity all seated stadium with the best facilities imaginable.

It would be perfect for Leinster in the long run considering they would have use of a 12,500 - 18,500 - 25,000 and 50,000 stadium.

As support grows, we will soon out grow RDS but perhaps Lansdowne Road would be too big for HEC group games and RDS could soon become too small for ML games - so 25,000 would be perfect for the day to day use of the team!

As I say though, this is purely rumour at the moment, but a municipal stadium is being proposed for the site. Would probably be a couple of years before a proposal was drawn up though - maybe another for planning permission and then maybe another couple of years to build, so the RDS lease wont go to waste either way.

That's good news, even if it is only speculation at this stage. I think Leinster need to look beyond the RDS in the long-term. Temporary stands / lack of top quality facilities will work as a stop-gap, but not permanently.

And yeah, I'd hate to see Leinster move to Lansdowne, a la Edinburgh. Disaster.

phog

barnesd wrote: »

There'll be some games there each year, the biggest home HEC group game along with 1 or 2 interpros. The year it opens anyway people will want go to games in the new stadium just to see it so it'll be dead easy to sell tickets I reckon.

If Leinster use LR for some of their home games will they lose it as a neutral home venue for a H/Cup SF?

barnesd

phog wrote: »

If Leinster use LR for some of their home games will they lose it as a neutral home venue for a H/Cup SF?

They haven't in the past. Home QF against Leicester comes to mind.

Pshan

barnesd wrote: »

They haven't in the past. Home QF against Leicester comes to mind.

QFs could always be played in the home ground and from my recollection Leinster only had one home/neutral SF, that was against Munster in 2006 and was held in LR but I think the ERC had to give Leinster permission to use the ground as they had used it for pool games.

Anyway, as it'll be next to impossible to get international tickets for the new ground I hope Leinster Vs Munster games will be held there as it'll be my only chance of seeing the ground.

escobar

[Jackass] wrote: »

Actually - there is very VERY distant talk of a Leinster stadium development with Dublin GAA. it would be a few years before construction would even commence if true, but apperantly it will be based on the bottle works site that McNamara and his bank are desperatley trying to find a use for and it would be a 25,000 capacity all seated stadium with the best facilities imaginable.

It would be perfect for Leinster in the long run considering they would have use of a 12,500 - 18,500 - 25,000 and 50,000 stadium.

As support grows, we will soon out grow RDS but perhaps Lansdowne Road would be too big for HEC group games and RDS could soon become too small for ML games - so 25,000 would be perfect for the day to day use of the team!

As I say though, this is purely rumour at the moment, but a municipal stadium is being proposed for the site. Would probably be a couple of years before a proposal was drawn up though - maybe another for planning permission and then maybe another couple of years to build, so the RDS lease wont go to waste either way.

Sounds good , Croke park has worked out very well and the use of a stadium for a few sports would be preferable financially. Happens in England all the time and especially if there was a good deal to be had on the construction of the stadium.

25000 sounds about right and for bigger matches landsdowne road could be used. The RDS definitely will be outgrown and a purpose built all seater modern stadium would be preferable.

Leinster need to leave the antiquated stadium that is the RDS and move into a modern iconic stadium like Munster have with Thomond Park.

escobar

zenmonk wrote: »

Leinster's place on top of the Celtic nations highest average attendance , which since the move to the RDS has been untouched, has been taken by rivals Munster this year.
Came up with this today (slow work day)

Leinster 7 Magners League games total 110,482 ave. 15,783

Munster 7 Magners League games total 123,500 ave. 17,642
(inc. 3 games in Musgrave park)

even with 2 games to go and 1 of Munster's in Musgrave, Leinster even selling out the RDS and Munster selling out their 2 games (likely) Munster will still finish aprox 10,000 ahead.
i.e Leinster total season average 16,387
Munster 17,500.
I just worked it out for the Magners as Munster sold out Thomond for all their HCup home games as did Leinster 26,000 x 3 vs 18,500 x 3.

I suppose it will be interesting next year when the Thomond factor won't be as strong and alot of the "fans" who wanted to see the new stadium may be AWOL.

I don't know about these figures. They don't take fully into account the HC figures.
Considering leinster are in the home dressing room in Croke Park in Dublin and this fact is conspicously left out.......your averages are way off.

Shouldn't you add 82,500 onto leinsters attendance...;)

Tomtom364

escobar wrote: »

I don't know about these figures. They don't take fully into account the HC figures.
Considering leinster are in the home dressing room in Croke Park in Dublin and this fact is conspicously left out.......your averages are way off.

Shouldn't you add 82,500 onto leinsters attendance...;)

no because munster had the choice of venue and the right to a "home neatural" semi so im afraid its 82,500 onto munsters tally along with 4x 25,000.

nice try though

phog

escobar wrote: »

I don't know about these figures. They don't take fully into account the HC figures.
Considering leinster are in the home dressing room in Croke Park in Dublin and this fact is conspicously left out.......your averages are way off.

Shouldn't you add 82,500 onto leinsters attendance...;)

When Leinster got the "home" SF in 2006 and Munster filled the stadium for you, you used the figures to your H/C tally, so Croke Park is ours

HarryKeeper

Only 13,500 tickets sold for tonight's match against Glasgow - an awful figure one week before the Semi. Where are all those fans claiming to be hard core looking for a ticket next week? Slightly disappointed, especially as the tickets are only €5.

Crash

Especially considering there were semi final tickets on sale in 2006 at the ML match before it :P

anonymous_joe

Crash wrote: »

Especially considering there were semi final tickets on sale in 2006 at the ML match before it :P

Don't tell people that!

Probably won't have enough money to get a semi ticket anyway if they are for sale. Being a student sucks sometimes.

Rigel

HarryKeeper wrote: »

Only 13,500 tickets sold for tonight's match against Glasgow - an awful figure one week before the Semi. Where are all those fans claiming to be hard core looking for a ticket next week? Slightly disappointed, especially as the tickets are only €5.

Are you a schoolboy Harry, tickets are €5 - €50 , but I agree with your point about all those hard core fans looking for tickets who are probably watching Man U right now rather than giving Leinster a badly needed boost going into next weeks game.

escobar

Tomtom364 wrote: »

no because munster had the choice of venue and the right to a "home neatural" semi so im afraid its 82,500 onto munsters tally along with 4x 25,000.

nice try though

C'mon at least give us the contents of hill 16...;)

Joking aside don't sell yourself short.... taking into account MUnster's HC and ML matches you're looking at
9 x 17500 + 4 x 25,000 + 82500 = 340,000/14 = 24,286 average
attendance

24,286 is a european record by a longshot.

TBH both Munster and Leinster are both up there with the European Heavy weights of attendance Stade Francais, Leicester and Toulouse. Long may it last.

toomevara

Whats the capacity of croker?

*edit* answered me own question, just being lazy..its 82,300...which makes this a little bit cheeky and
inaccurate.....
http://www.guinnesspremiership.com/

OK technically, if they're going to insist on the 'club' definition...but smells a bit rum to me...

danthefan

escobar wrote: »

C'mon at least give us the contents of hill 16...;)

Joking aside don't sell yourself short.... taking into account MUnster's HC and ML matches you're looking at
9 x 17500 + 4 x 25,000 + 82500 = 340,000/14 = 24,286 average
attendance

24,286 is a european record by a longshot.

TBH both Munster and Leinster are both up there with the European Heavy weights of attendance Stade Francais, Leicester and Toulouse. Long may it last.

You sure? Stade Francais sell out the Stade de France a few times a year which would increase their attendances big time.

anonymous_joe

danthefan wrote: »

You sure? Stade Francais sell out the Stade de France a few times a year which would increase their attendances big time.

Fairly sure the average attendances for last season were soemthing like Stade, Toulouse, Leicester then Leinster.

Will presumably see Munster leapfrog Leinster.

danthefan

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Fairly sure the average attendances for last season were soemthing like Stade, Toulouse, Leicester then Leinster.

Will presumably see Munster leapfrog Leinster.

I was specifically asking about the bolded part but yeah that's how it went last season.

louthandproud

danthefan wrote: »

You sure? Stade Francais sell out the Stade de France a few times a year which would increase their attendances big time.

Don't they play in Parc De Princes?

anonymous_joe

louthandproud wrote: »

Don't they play in Parc De Princes?

Somewhere smaller I think.

And Stade de France for the huge games. They've a surprisingly poor record in the Stade de France though.

louthandproud

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Somewhere smaller I think.

And Stade de France for the huge games. They've a surprisingly poor record in the Stade de France though.

I stand corrected, it is Stade Jean-Bouin which is across the street from Parc de Princes.

anonymous_joe

louthandproud wrote: »

I stand corrected, it is Stade Jean-Bouin which is across the street from Parc de Princes.

Smaller than the RDS or Thomond.

escobar

anonymous_joe wrote: »

Fairly sure the average attendances for last season were soemthing like Stade, Toulouse, Leicester then Leinster.

Will presumably see Munster leapfrog Leinster.

I know Leicesters attendance is about the 17,200 mark and they are the best supported team in England every year so Munster's attendances are far above the GP. Can't find much about Stade and Toulouse.

As my home changing room argument didn't work Munster will have the rugby club world record attendance as well!!!

Leinster already have the Magners league record attendance against Ulster in Landsdowne.

escobar

toomevara wrote: »

Whats the capacity of croker?

*edit* answered me own question, just being lazy..its 82,300...which makes this a little bit cheeky and
inaccurate.....
http://www.guinnesspremiership.com/

OK technically, if they're going to insist on the 'club' definition...but smells a bit rum to me...

Aaaah Toomevara let them enjoy it for a few more days............

Good to know that the Croke Park club rugby record surpasses even the Uefa Cup and Superbowl attendances.

Serenity Now!

Overall, the crowds going to rugby union games in Ireland are now extremely healthy. Anyone who supports the game and goes to games be they whatever provincial branch of the IRFU or international team should be proud, regardless of who they support.
Now, all we need is more coverage of the club game in the media and crowds to follow. There have been some great games this year around Ireland with some surprise results (Cashel and Navan being promoted to the All Ireland Leagues, Boyne winning the Leinster Towns Cup for example). Should be a good domestic 09/10 season methinks.

Serenity Now!

escobar wrote: »

Aaaah Toomevara let them enjoy it for a few more days............

Good to know that the Croke Park club rugby record surpasses even the Uefa Cup and Superbowl attendances.

In the other rugby code, over 107,000 people went to the NRL grand final at Homebush, Sydney in 1999. The season opening double-headers also pack the since depleted capacity (83,000) of that stadium.

The Super Bowl's crowds plus its TV audience is unsurpassable when comparing to the Croke Park game. Ditto the UEFA soccer comps. No comparison particularly with the soccer.

crisco10

Serenity Now! wrote: »

In the other rugby code, over 107,000 people went to the NRL grand final at Homebush, Sydney in 1999. The season opening double-headers also pack the since depleted capacity (83,000) of that stadium.

The Super Bowl's crowds plus its TV audience is unsurpassable when comparing to the Croke Park game. Ditto the UEFA soccer comps. No comparison particularly with the soccer.

The other thing about the Superbowl (esp this years) is they sometimes play them in relatively small stadia (~50,000 this year) which severly limits the attendance (obviously!). If they played them in a 250,000 stadium it would sell out.

escobar

crisco10 wrote: »

The other thing about the Superbowl (esp this years) is they sometimes play them in relatively small stadia (~50,000 this year) which severly limits the attendance (obviously!). If they played them in a 250,000 stadium it would sell out.

Still the rugby union world record ... and not a bad average attendance for the year either. Ther IRFU must have more money than they know how to apportion at this stage...

anonymous_joe

escobar wrote: »

Still the rugby union world record ... and not a bad average attendance for the year either. Ther IRFU must have more money than they know how to apportion at this stage...

Paying off a stadium, don't forget.

zenmonk

Half a stadium - FAI!?