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Animal Rights Protesters At Lincoln Gate

  • 21-04-2009 1:26pm
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    Was coming back from my lunch today and there were a bunch of animal rights protesters shouting and handing out flyers to people passing by. The anti vivisection placards were just ridiculous.

    If these clowns start gaining traction, it won't be long before Trinity goes like the university of Oxford.

    Can these people not be put on a FAS course or something?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,357 snappieT
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    Hope you were coming back from a veal lunch with a newly bought fur coat and some animal-tested cosmetics, heading for the lab to do a vivisection!

    In all seriousness, people have a right to protest. Hell, you are a bit of a fan of protesting online... So long as they weren't blocking the way for you into college, I see no problem.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 760 ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI
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    If they are loud and annoying, and audible from within college buildings, then it is kind of a problem.

    Anyway, there's no rule that says we can't moan about things we can do nothing about...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 288 EGaffney
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    In fairness, Cantab. is protesting about the protesters rather than protesting about the protesters' right to protest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,851 PurpleFistMixer
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    They weren't noisy at all when I was coming in at 2pm... in fact I went up to them to find out what they were protesting about.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 Mellowsh


    Quiet Animal Rights protesters? A daring move, let's see if it works...
    They don't so much bother me as make me think do all of them go without almost every medicine or vaccine ever tested on an animal. Then I start to ponder about the hypocrisy as I am FAIRLY certain all of them have used said medicine. Then I consider asking them. But there's usually an awful lot of them and they are fairly riled up, so I leave them be.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,889 tolosenc
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    Hippies are best left ignored. Though it's fun to ask them if the raffle is for a fur coat.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,510 Tricity Bendix
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    Cantab. wrote: »
    Was coming back from my lunch today and there were a bunch of animal rights protesters shouting and handing out flyers to people passing by. The anti vivisection placards were just ridiculous.

    If these clowns start gaining traction, it won't be long before Trinity goes like the university of Oxford.

    Can these people not be put on a FAS course or something?
    Oh noes! The skies is falling down! Run, Chicken Little, run!

    Or are you the boy who cried 'wolf'? Some hybrid, methinks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,939 mardybumbum
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    They are idiots with nothing better to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,764 shay_562
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    Cantab. wrote:
    If these clowns start gaining traction, it won't be long before Trinity goes like the university of Oxford

    Wait, isn't that usually your complaint? That we're not enough like Oxford and Cambridge? You're confusing me here...all I ask is a little consistency in my trolls!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,881 Kurtosis
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    Mellowsh wrote: »
    They don't so much bother me as make me think do all of them go without almost every medicine or vaccine ever tested on an animal.

    Well if that is the case, the apparently rampant mumps on campus will probably cause them some difficulty.

    Anytime I've heard them protesting at Lincoln Gate, they haven't really been quiet, more incomprehensible...possibly due to the quality of their loudspeaker, or due to the quality of their slogans...and opinions in general.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 740 steveone
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    I understand why they are protesting, If I was unlucky enough to see the animals in the labs I'd crack up myself, however I take meds that were most likely tried out on critters so I can't object without being a hypocrit. why are they always crusty ? like new age hippies are always english... it's amazing...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 Mellowsh


    steveone wrote: »
    I understand why they are protesting, If I was unlucky enough to see the animals in the labs I'd crack up myself, however I take meds that were most likely tried out on critters so I can't object without being a hypocrit. why are they always crusty ? like new age hippies are always english... it's amazing...

    3rd year science (Biochem with Immunology), I don't deal too much with animals (by that I mean this whole year we've only used a total of 2 mice), more involved with cell lines and such. The microbiology course use a SUBSTANTIAL amount. I'm not entirely sure how they kill them in our department, but I have been told that the Micro Dept prefer the "grab head, grab torso, and pull" method or hold a pen over their neck and lift the legs back upward. Either way, not particularly pleasant.
    However the reasons for the terminations (education, research, etc) are alright by me (hence my disagreement with the protestors).


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,851 PurpleFistMixer
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    Actually, on this topic, a friend of mine is doing Vet in UCD, and she said due to some strange laws on using animals in experiments (I think it's something along the lines of, "you can only experiment on them once"), they have to kill them after all their animal handling classes, because animal handling constitutes an experiment. Which seems utterly mad... I'm hoping she's mistaken, or I heard it wrong or something, but I wouldn't put it past bizarre laws to have a sideeffect like this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,444 Cantab.
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    The recreational animal rights protesters are sniffing around looking for a new play-thing. Thank God for large spikey railings (also good for deterring republican militants) to keep them at out.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 Thirdfox
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    Well they switch between standing beside the Trinity front gate and the fur shop just opposite on the street...

    Took photos of them once - they looked kinda sad that no-one is paying any attention to them (they should take a leaf out out of the bible thumpers that appear at the top of Grafton Street every once in a while).

    Funnily enough, a Garda questioned me as to what I was doing... to which I replied "I'm taking a photo" ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,473 Blazer
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    Thirdfox wrote: »
    Well they switch between standing beside the Trinity front gate and the fur shop just opposite on the street...

    Took photos of them once - they looked kinda sad that no-one is paying any attention to them (they should take a leaf out out of the bible thumpers that appear at the top of Grafton Street every once in a while).

    Funnily enough, a Garda questioned me as to what I was doing... to which I replied "I'm taking a photo" ;)

    Bet he clipped you around the ear for that smart answer. ;)


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    shay_562 wrote: »
    Wait, isn't that usually your complaint? That we're not enough like Oxford and Cambridge? You're confusing me here...all I ask is a little consistency in my trolls!

    I think he is referring to how Oxford is targeted by fairly militant animal rights groups - it was big news about three years ago

    Here is a report from The Times on February 19th 2006
    From his detached home in West Palm Beach, Nicolas Atwood runs a website which last month urged violence on all staff and students at Oxford over plans for an animal research laboratory.

    Last week the site circulated a list of 40 named academics and their home addresses, saying that they were “legitimate targets”.

    Describing some as “scum”, it told animal rights activists they had “everything to gain by hitting these targets hard”.

    Atwood’s website is used as the main forum for the Animal Liberation Front (ALF). It lists and glorifies successful attacks including arson, burglary and criminal damage on the workplaces and homes of scientists and associated workers.

    There were even bombings on the campus (The Guardian, 29th October 2008)
    An animal rights "fanatic" was behind the planting of petrol bombs at Oxford University as part of a terrorist campaign to stop the building of a £20m research laboratory, a court heard yesterday.

    Using fuel and fuses made from sparklers, Mel Broughton worked with others to plant four devices in two separate attacks, a jury at Oxford crown court was told.

    The bomb attacks were claimed by the Animal Liberation Front on its website, Bite Back, said John Price, prosecuting.

    Broughton is alleged to have caused £14,000 worth of damage when the Queen's College sports pavilion blew up in November 2006. Two similar bombs were planted under a temporary building used as an office at Templeton College three months later but failed to go off.

    Price told the jury that Broughton's DNA was found on one of the components used in the unexploded devices. He said police who searched his home in Northampton discovered items used in homemade explosives and a notebook containing a list of those people he had been targeting as part of a campaign known as Speak, to stop Oxford University building an animal testing laboratory.

    It is absolutely ridiculous, some of these people think animals are more important than humans - there are actually 'death lists' of leading scientists in certain fields.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 425 alantc
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    Report them to the Department of Social Welfare for not genuinely seeking employment. I believe jobseekers are also required to inform the department if they are involved in any voluntary work.

    Also, laugh at them.


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 11,362 Scarinae
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    Does anyone remember the graffiti that the animal rights protestors sprayed on the Arts Block entrance in October?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,110 Thirdfox
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    Bet he clipped you around the ear for that smart answer. ;)

    I think he was more afraid I'd take a photo of him because "big camera with long lens" means either photo-journalist or paedophile nowadays :(

    Oh and terrorist too!

    cameras.jpg

    (courtesy of the London Met Police - their ad campaign against "odd" photographers)

    edit: and on topic, PETA, ALF etc. etc. really do more harm than good - bombing scientists isn't going to bring those animals back to life, and may destroy the contributions that they have made.

    And I'm pretty sure no one here is pro-torturing animals for fun or even using them for makeup... but valid scientific research use of animals is a "necessary evil" until we can find better ways to do it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 849 Liquorice
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    Mellowsh wrote: »
    3rd year science (Biochem with Immunology), I don't deal too much with animals (by that I mean this whole year we've only used a total of 2 mice), more involved with cell lines and such. The microbiology course use a SUBSTANTIAL amount. I'm not entirely sure how they kill them in our department, but I have been told that the Micro Dept prefer the "grab head, grab torso, and pull" method or hold a pen over their neck and lift the legs back upward. Either way, not particularly pleasant.
    However the reasons for the terminations (education, research, etc) are alright by me (hence my disagreement with the protestors).

    That is so bizarre. I was hanging around a neuroscience lab for a week last summer and got to look in at a rat being culled, and the guy who was overseeing the culling got really annoyed at the others when the rat started spasming really violently as its blood was being drained 'cause that "doesn't usually happen" and might have been a sign of the animal being in pain or feeling anything at all, but I'm guessing that broken neck = one hell of a lot of pain.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 fr larry duff


    Mellowsh wrote: »
    3rd year science (Biochem with Immunology), I don't deal too much with animals (by that I mean this whole year we've only used a total of 2 mice), more involved with cell lines and such. The microbiology course use a SUBSTANTIAL amount. I'm not entirely sure how they kill them in our department, but I have been told that the Micro Dept prefer the "grab head, grab torso, and pull" method or hold a pen over their neck and lift the legs back upward. Either way, not particularly pleasant.
    However the reasons for the terminations (education, research, etc) are alright by me (hence my disagreement with the protestors).

    Cervical dislocation. It is not done by undergrads. You need a license obtained after passing an extensive course. I have never heard of that method with the pen.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 Mellowsh


    Cervical dislocation. It is not done by undergrads. You need a license obtained after passing an extensive course. I have never heard of that method with the pen.

    I'm aware it's not done by undergrads, they aren't really even allowed to do in front of undergrads. They take them into another room. However since alot of the Micro exps are "inject with someth, then take it apart" kinda deals, its quite obvioius that the thump you hear is the rat being killed (forgot to mention another one: simply bash head off table). The lab demonstrators and assistants are the ones that do this, I'm presuming they have the licenses necessary. Also, I only know of these methods from friends in JS Micro, who actually asked their demonstrators how the rats were terminated, and apparently the pen thing is true. :\


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 61 flerb22
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    just because they have the right to protest doesnt mean we have to take them seriously: i have the right to call them retarded. the next time one of their children has meningitis i doubt they will ask the doctor to use a drug which hasnt been extensively tested.



    however, in biochemistry labs in 1st med (or it might have been 2nd med i dont remember) - we did some tests on rat livers. I learnt nothing from the experience - I could have read a textbook, those fluffy little bastards didnt have to die to teach me about liver enzymes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13 fr larry duff


    Mellowsh wrote: »
    I'm aware it's not done by undergrads, they aren't really even allowed to do in front of undergrads. They take them into another room. However since alot of the Micro exps are "inject with someth, then take it apart" kinda deals, its quite obvioius that the thump you hear is the rat being killed (forgot to mention another one: simply bash head off table). The lab demonstrators and assistants are the ones that do this, I'm presuming they have the licenses necessary. Also, I only know of these methods from friends in JS Micro, who actually asked their demonstrators how the rats were terminated, and apparently the pen thing is true. :\

    They definitely do not bash the head off the table. I highly doubt the pen thing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,629 raah!
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    I don't understand these protesters at all.

    Surely it's more justifiable to kill animals to further some medecine or to do some research, than it is to eat them for taste. It doesn't make sense for them to protest this and not meat eating. Having a good time they are.

    I guess there's no need for me to post that here at all... but I felt like I had to....say it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 Mellowsh


    They definitely do not bash the head off the table. I highly doubt the pen thing.

    As I've said before, this is what I've been told by friends in Micro, good friends who don't exaggerate (as most of the time they seemed to be displaying their disgust to each other about it, not telling me gross-out stories). I really hope it ISN'T true but this is what I've been told.
    raah! wrote: »
    I don't understand these protesters at all.

    Surely it's more justifiable to kill animals to further some medecine or to do some research, than it is to eat them for taste. It doesn't make sense for them to protest this and not meat eating. Having a good time they are.

    I guess there's no need for me to post that here at all... but I felt like I had to....say it.

    I myself am a vegetarian (perfectly ok with medical research on animals, and other people eating meat, its a clinical thing, I just don't like it) They are being hypocritical yeah....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,135 John
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    Different people in different departments use different methods. The method of hitting them off the table is true and it is a standard practice as when done properly it is the most humane. The rat is knocked unconscious very quickly without time for pain to register (ask anyone who has been knocked out by a knock to a head). It's distressing for the person doing it (don't think I could bring myself to do it) but, importantly, not for the rat. The impact is only to knock the rat unconscious, the kill is usually by breaking the neck and/or using a guillotine.

    Anaesthetic normally kills the rat (as you overdose it, i.e. putting it down like vets do with other animals) but you have to inject the rat which I doubt they like. The neck is still broken after to ensure the animal is dead. Some labs have little units where they use CO2 to knock the rat out and kill it, again breaking the neck after to be sure.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ion c
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    flerb22 wrote: »
    just because they have the right to protest doesnt mean we have to take them seriously: i have the right to call them retarded. the next time one of their children has meningitis i doubt they will ask the doctor to use a drug which hasnt been extensively tested.



    however, in biochemistry labs in 1st med (or it might have been 2nd med i dont remember) - we did some tests on rat livers. I learnt nothing from the experience - I could have read a textbook, those fluffy little bastards didnt have to die to teach me about liver enzymes.

    The Rat Livers you got where most likely from another experiment such as a behavioral trials or otherwise. Most undergrad labs get rats and mice from other studies that don't involve the aspect being used in the practical. For instance we did a practical on mice spleens, using mice that where also having their thymus's examined. There is not wasteful or un-ethical behavior with regards to animal test in Trinity College.

    The protesters are most likely un-employable and easily lead, with nothing better to do than follow their most basic herd instinct. I'm sure if someone close to them was suffering from an illness that was currently undergoing animal testing, their opinions would change very quickly!

    Peace


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 362 Fluffybums
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    John wrote: »
    Different people in different departments use different methods. The method of hitting them off the table is true and it is a standard practice as when done properly it is the most humane. The rat is knocked unconscious very quickly without time for pain to register (ask anyone who has been knocked out by a knock to a head). It's distressing for the person doing it (don't think I could bring myself to do it) but, importantly, not for the rat. The impact is only to knock the rat unconscious, the kill is usually by breaking the neck and/or using a guillotine.

    Anaesthetic normally kills the rat (as you overdose it, i.e. putting it down like vets do with other animals) but you have to inject the rat which I doubt they like. The neck is still broken after to ensure the animal is dead. Some labs have little units where they use CO2 to knock the rat out and kill it, again breaking the neck after to be sure.

    Don't know about the laws here but under the Animals (scientific procedures act 1988 (Not sure about the year) in the UK. Stun and decapitation are licenced procedures for rats and mice, cervical dislocation in mice can be carried out by placing an object (something sturdy) at the base of the scull and pulling to break the neck. Neither should be carried out without extensive training and are quick and, as far as we can tell, humane. These methods look gruesome and but are the most humane method of culling especially if the handling of the animals is sympathetic during the experimental procedures. CO2 is also used, though I thought that the animals became agitated prior to loosing consciousness. In the UK all experimental procedures are tightly controlled and scientist are trained and any breaches are taken very seriously and could results in personal and employer court action.
    Confirmation of death, is decap or cervical dislocation if these have not be used to kill the animal in the first place, ie to prevent the animals regaining consciousness in the disposal bag.
    As for having to kill animals after procedures this is true, reuse of an animal is not permitted under the UK rules except under extreme circumstances and which have to be agreed with the Home Office, inspectors and ethic committees before anyone goes anywhere near a lab.
    Most people who carry out vivisection would be only to glad not to, unfortunately at present animals, despite the flaws still provide the best guide as to how compounds will behave in a whole body, tissue culture can only tell you what happens in one type of cell and these cell are generally abnormal.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 Mellowsh


    ion c wrote: »
    The Rat Livers you got where most likely from another experiment such as a behavioral trials or otherwise. Most undergrad labs get rats and mice from other studies that don't involve the aspect being used in the practical. For instance we did a practical on mice spleens, using mice that where also having their thymus's examined. There is not wasteful or un-ethical behavior with regards to animal test in Trinity College.

    The protesters are most likely un-employable and easily lead, with nothing better to do than follow their most basic herd instinct. I'm sure if someone close to them was suffering from an illness that was currently undergoing animal testing, their opinions would change very quickly!

    Peace

    Unfortunately its not necessarily true that the rats etc can be used for 2 different classes. For instance I study Immunology and the first practical we used rats in involved taking out the spleen. The spleen is an immunological organ, as is the thymus. Taking one out can (not always, I'm aware) affect the progress of other organs. As well as this, class numbers as well as purposes of experiments vary. Most mice/rats used are extremely similar genetically, in an attempt to limit genetic variability. As well as this the rats we used in my particular lab were immunised with different antigens in order to determine their effects on the spleen, this could affect results obtained by other students in other labs examining other things. Having said this, the behavioural studies experiments MIGHT be able to reuse.... But I kind of doubt it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,135 John
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    Fluffybums wrote: »
    Don't know about the laws here but under the Animals (scientific procedures act 1988 (Not sure about the year) in the UK.

    I meant to say that you need to have a license to do any of the above procedures here and you can't get a license without sitting the exams (written and practical). Also you need to be on a licensed premises to do the work (i.e. the lab has to approved).
    Mellowsh wrote: »
    Having said this, the behavioural studies experiments MIGHT be able to reuse.... But I kind of doubt it.

    You certainly can do it with purely behavioural experiments (i.e. ones where you're not using neuroactive agents), especially if you're not taking tissue samples from the brains after the experiment.

    In any case, I'm sure doing experiments on liver function in an undergrad lab don't have to be too rigourous or accurate. You're lucky if the undergrads know what organ they're experimenting on let alone what they're meant to be measuring.


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    They were out again today. God, they annoy me. Their leaflets make no sense too. Can't argue with them really, so all we did was laugh at their ridiculous statements and terrible chants. They refer to the absence of a cure for cancer at the moment as a "100% failure" for animal experimentation! WTF?


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    They were out again today. God, they annoy me. Their leaflets make no sense too. Can't argue with them really, so all we did was laugh at their ridiculous statements and terrible chants. They refer to the absence of a cure for cancer at the moment as a "100% failure" for animal experimentation! WTF?

    Actually, threads like this only encourage them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,231 Fad
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    Cantab. wrote: »
    Actually, threads like this only encourage them.


    You're one of them, aren't you! :mad:


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    John wrote: »
    Anaesthetic normally kills the rat (as you overdose it, i.e. putting it down like vets do with other animals) but you have to inject the rat which I doubt they like. The neck is still broken after to ensure the animal is dead. Some labs have little units where they use CO2 to knock the rat out and kill it, again breaking the neck after to be sure.

    Actually, you can put the rat in a container of isofluorine, which is an anaesthetic which they will overdose on, without injecting them. You just soak a rag, and put them in a closed tub. Knocks them out in three seconds. It's very humane


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    Mellowsh wrote: »
    Unfortunately its not necessarily true that the rats etc can be used for 2 different classes. For instance I study Immunology and the first practical we used rats in involved taking out the spleen. The spleen is an immunological organ, as is the thymus. Taking one out can (not always, I'm aware) affect the progress of other organs. As well as this, class numbers as well as purposes of experiments vary. Most mice/rats used are extremely similar genetically, in an attempt to limit genetic variability. As well as this the rats we used in my particular lab were immunised with different antigens in order to determine their effects on the spleen, this could affect results obtained by other students in other labs examining other things. Having said this, the behavioural studies experiments MIGHT be able to reuse.... But I kind of doubt it.

    Where do you study Immunology? Your above response really makes me doubt you study science, no offence. In the case of taking out the spleen the rat has been euthanized, so talking out the thymus too has no effect because it is already DEAD. As for the antigens it was immunzied against, I can almost bet they were immunized against the most commonly used test antigens, ovalbumin or PBS (ie control). Spleen practicals are also used to determine the response of lymphocytes to different compounds. So regardless with what the rats where immunized with before hand, that could be used in the practical!!!!

    And of course you can use behavioural study animals after they have served their purpose in the study.. They perfect for introducing undergrads too the morphology of the GI tract, Respiratory system etc. Behavioural studies is mostly stuff like mazes and button boxes etc, how could one not use these for other purposes?
    They were out again today. God, they annoy me. Their leaflets make no sense too. Can't argue with them really, so all we did was laugh at their ridiculous statements and terrible chants. They refer to the absence of a cure for cancer at the moment as a "100% failure" for animal experimentation! WTF?

    Mick please text me the next time they are out, I'll bring me "Down with that sort of thing" banner :D.
    Fad wrote: »
    You're one of them, aren't you! :mad:

    ROFL!!!!!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 31 Mellowsh


    ion c wrote: »
    Where do you study Immunology? Your above response really makes me doubt you study science, no offence. In the case of taking out the spleen the rat has been euthanized, so talking out the thymus too has no effect because it is already DEAD. As for the antigens it was immunzied against, I can almost bet they were immunized against the most commonly used test antigens, ovalbumin or PBS (ie control). Spleen practicals are also used to determine the response of lymphocytes to different compounds. So regardless with what the rats where immunized with before hand, that could be used in the practical!!!!

    I'm in your class Chris, you spaz. I do take offense, as I AM NOT AN IDIOT. OF COURSE I'm aware that taking out the thymus of a rat that is also having its spleen removed will not affect THE RAT as it is already dead (ffs, have prob been interested in science longer than you even), I am referring to the effects the immunization will also have on the thymus, what with there being T cells maturing in the thymus and all (just in case you didn't know any Immunology yourself :P ) This will undoubtedly change the size and such of the thymus (although as long as they have controls ie PBS to compare to, the practical won't be useless).
    Next time you wanna diss someone, for Christ's sake, READ first.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,851 PurpleFistMixer
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    Cantab. wrote: »
    Actually, threads like this only encourage them.
    You're the one who started the thread...

    Saw more of them on Friday, they still weren't being noisy though, just looking sightly distressed or something. It seems like such misplaced effort. Surely they'd be better off protesting the use of animals in costmetics testing, since I doubt lipstick has ever cured someone's illness...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,889 tolosenc
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    Surely they'd be better off protesting the use of animals in costmetics testing, since I doubt lipstick has ever cured someone's illness...

    Surely they'd be better off realising that no one cares what they think.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 321 fishtastico
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    You're the one who started the thread...

    Saw more of them on Friday, they still weren't being noisy though, just looking sightly distressed or something. It seems like such misplaced effort. Surely they'd be better off protesting the use of animals in costmetics testing, since I doubt lipstick has ever cured someone's illness...

    Well, if you count impotence as an illness, I'm sure cosmetics help... And yeah, they weren't the most organised or convincing bunch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 HoboJesus
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    Just a brief response to the "There are worse things happening to animals that could be protested" arguments. By this logic, there should only be one charity, which targets the animals who are worst off of all the animals. It's like saying forget about homeless people until the problem of starvation in Africa is gone.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,851 PurpleFistMixer
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    HoboJesus wrote: »
    Just a brief response to the "There are worse things happening to animals that could be protested" arguments. By this logic, there should only be one charity, which targets the animals who are worst off of all the animals. It's like saying forget about homeless people until the problem of starvation in Africa is gone.
    Yeah, fair point, but I wonder ARE they protesting at the cosmetics places as well?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,597 dan719
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    Mellowsh wrote: »
    I'm in your class Chris, you spaz. I do take offense, as I AM NOT AN IDIOT. OF COURSE I'm aware that taking out the thymus of a rat that is also having its spleen removed will not affect THE RAT as it is already dead (ffs, have prob been interested in science longer than you even), I am referring to the effects the immunization will also have on the thymus, what with there being T cells maturing in the thymus and all (just in case you didn't know any Immunology yourself :P ) This will undoubtedly change the size and such of the thymus (although as long as they have controls ie PBS to compare to, the practical won't be useless).
    Next time you wanna diss someone, for Christ's sake, READ first.


    When will ye two lovers be seeing each other again out of interest? It's just that I think everyone would like to see the battle of internet warriors in the flesh.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ion c
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    dan719 wrote: »
    When will ye two lovers be seeing each other again out of interest? It's just that I think everyone would like to see the battle of internet warriors in the flesh.:D

    Tomorrow 9 am :(
    I'll be wearing my cup for sure......


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 136 HoboJesus
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    Yeah, fair point, but I wonder ARE they protesting at the cosmetics places as well?

    Maybe not them, but I'm sure it's well covered, since way more people are against cosmetics-related testing than scientific testing. It doesn't necessarily need to be the same group protesting both.


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