Only in America.......

live2thewire

Not so, following up from their recent school shooting, their polar bear fiasco and now kid kills his family.

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20090412-18589.html

The teenager whose entire family was found shot dead in their home on Friday was detained on Saturday evening, suspected of killing them with his friend.

The 18-year-old himself went to the police on Friday to report having found his mother, father and two adult sisters dead in their house in Eislingen, Baden-Württemberg.

Although police initially described the killings as mysterious and that they were not ruling out the involvement of an outside party, they soon focussed on the son of the family.

He had told them he had spent Thursday night at the house of a friend and returned home on Friday to find his family murdered.

But police spokesman Rudi Bauer said there were no signs of a break-in at the house where the four were killed – and that nothing had been stolen.

The teenager was also “very taciturn and withdrawn” during questioning, Bauer added.

He is a member of the local shooting club, although does not have a licensed weapon. The small-calibre handgun used to kill the family has not yet been found.

He and his 19-year-old friend were brought before a judge in Ulm on Saturday evening, who decided to detain them in investigative custody while investigations continue.

in my opinion incidents like this are down to american media dominance which must be erradicated and banned under EU law. vast budgets should be given to european media to grow. I laugh when people say the eu will dilute european individual cultures, lol the usa is way way ahead on that front.

My name is URL

Everyone knows ze germans are crazy. It's just not PC to talk about it these days.

*goose-steps out of thread

liah

So you're blaming American media for some German eejit murdering his family?

How does that make any sense? The kid was mental. Very little to do with media.

tony1kenobi

I read that wrong.

live2thewire

ok maby not ban all american media but only the good stuff should remain. this kinda crap hasnt come to ireland yet but very very soon i see it happening and i'm quite aware who i'll be pointing the finger at(UNCLE SAM)

tribulus

Americans are fat/stupid/guncrazy/rulingtheworld thread #28835

Mr. Frost

live2thewire wrote: »

in my opinion incidents like this are down to american media dominance which must be erradicated and banned under EU law. vast budgets should be given to european media to grow. I laugh when people say the eu will dilute european individual cultures, lol the usa is way way ahead on that front.

I see where you're coming from. It's still quite a silly thing to say and mean though.

tommyboy2222

So what tv shows influenced the Holocaust ?

seanybiker

how can ya blame america for someone from a totally different continent kills their own family. I would blame the killer to be honest.

The Pontiac

live2thewire wrote: »

Not so, following up from their recent school shooting, their polar bear fiasco and now kid kills his family.

I thought it was innocent till proven guilty?

Mr. Frost

live2thewire wrote: »

ok maby not ban all american media but only the good stuff should

Yeah and let's not watch movies with violence in them either and block out any news stories involving murder, rape etc from the UK and Ireland and pretend that we all live in a Neverland.

live2thewire

zudo wrote: »

I thought it was innocent till proven guilty?

it must of been the pet cat i suppose:rolleyes:

listen i don't blame america for such incidents but i think you'd be hard pressed to find incidents like this before american media began to thrive. it is of little coincidence that bonnie and clyde were glorified spree killers a fact alluded to in NBK, and in what country? the land of the 'free'

live2thewire

Mr. Frost wrote: »

Yeah and let's not watch movies with violence in them either and block out any news stories involving murder, rape etc from the UK and Ireland and pretend that we all live in a Neverland.

the violence in american film has absolutely no basis or logic. compare (insert any american film) to in bruges and you will see a stark difference.

Manic Moran

liah wrote: »

So you're blaming American media for some German eejit murdering his family?

How does that make any sense? The kid was mental. Very little to do with media.

I thought he was being satirical?

That said, there is a theory that says that all the media coverage given to such killings merely has an encouraging effect on others to do the same thing, feeding a vicious cycle.

NTM

liah

live2thewire wrote: »

it must of been the pet cat i suppose:rolleyes:

listen i don't blame america for such incidents but i think you'd be hard pressed to find incidents like this before american media began to thrive. it is of little coincidence that bonnie and clyde were glorified spree killers a fact alluded to in NBK, and in what country? the land of the 'free'

a) Why on earth does the blame have to be shifted to something other than the killer?

b) Hard pressed to find incidents of murder? Are you serious? Come on now, I'm really not a fan of the States but for the love of god, that's absolutely ridiculous. Murders-- of family and otherwise-- have existed long before the first word was even written, never bloody mind the media!

seanybiker

Anytime I hurt meself I run past the hospital but cant find the health packs.

Stupid GTA.

dr.bollocko

The idea that media encourages violence is a very old one. I wholeheartedly disagree with it. TV doesn't tend to kill people. Certainly it isn't capable of pre-meditated murder. People kill people.

04KY

live2thewire wrote: »

it must of been the pet cat i suppose:rolleyes:

listen i don't blame america for such incidents but i think you'd be hard pressed to find incidents like this before american media began to thrive. it is of little coincidence that bonnie and clyde were glorified spree killers a fact alluded to in NBK, and in what country? the land of the 'free'

Seriously? Murders didn't happen much before American media began to thrive? In Germany?!

Gummy Panda

In before Overheal!

also lol @ American media blame

Sharpshooter

OP, the news is there to give us ,well the *news.
Murder is news so it gets fed back to the public through that media.
If you put a blanket ban on all those stories,do you really think people would suddenly cease killing each other?

seanybiker

I blame brian cowen. Why not sure

Thrill

liah wrote: »

a) Murders-- of family and otherwise-- have existed long before the first word was even written, never bloody mind the media!

True. Caveman is ultimately to blame. His drawings on cave walls of killing inspired deranged cavekids to carry out mindless violence against other cave dwellers. This is now part of basic human instinct.

Damn caveman.

irish_bob

seanybiker wrote: »

how can ya blame america for someone from a totally different continent kills their own family. I would blame the killer to be honest.

this is 2009 , personal responsobility has become the ultimate dirty word , like with the irish economy , its always someone elses fault

Rocky Balboa 2

God Bless America

seanybiker

irish_bob wrote: »

this is 2009 , personal responsobility has become the ultimate dirty word , like with the irish economy , its always someone elses fault

Ah right there ted. Now I understand. Good man

Mr. Frost

live2thewire wrote: »

the violence in american film has absolutely no basis or logic. compare (insert any american film) to in bruges and you will see a stark difference.

That's quite a broad and ridiculous statement. Any American film...ever made...that has violence in it...was purely gratuitous?!

Terry

America doesn't kill people...
Wait. That's wrong.

Long story short: Person behind the gun is guilty.

If everyone who ever watched a violent Hollywood film felt the urge to re-enact that film, we'd all be dead.

Uncle Arthur

Mr. Frost wrote: »

Yeah and let's not watch movies with violence in them either and block out any news stories involving murder, rape etc from the UK and Ireland and pretend that we all live in a Neverland.

neverland or neverland ranch??

Delirium

live2thewire wrote: »

the violence in american film has absolutely no basis or logic. compare (insert any american film) to in bruges and you will see a stark difference.

The most violent films I've seen were japanese (Ichi the Killer) and French (Irreversible).

Plus the article doesn't even mention if the teenager even owned a tv:P

994

zudo wrote: »

I thought it was innocent till proven guilty?

That sounds mighty like the sorta thing a commie would say...

Sharpshooter

994 wrote: »

That sounds mighty like the sorta thing a commie would say...

Or, if you look at it another way, the sort of thing a poster on boards did say.

mikemac

What does a shooting in Germany have to do with America?

useful_contacts

live2thewire wrote: »

Not so, following up from their recent school shooting, their polar bear fiasco and now kid kills his family.

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20090412-18589.html




in my opinion incidents like this are down to american media dominance which must be erradicated and banned under EU law. vast budgets should be given to european media to grow. I laugh when people say the eu will dilute european individual cultures, lol the usa is way way ahead on that front.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0104870/

Terry

mikemac wrote: »

What does a shooting in Germany have to do with America?

The majority of American citizens have German ancestry.
You though it was Irish?
You were wrong.

Nodin

live2thewire wrote: »

in my opinion incidents like this are down to american media dominance

Didn't manage to catch "Bear Savagings Two - The Biting"........

Seeing as people going on the rampage is as old as people, blaming any one shower for it is a bit mad, tbh.

Nodin

live2thewire wrote: »

it must of been the pet cat i suppose:rolleyes:

listen i don't blame america for such incidents but i think you'd be hard pressed to find incidents like this before american media began to thrive.

Rrrreallly.......Our neighbours have extensive records on the matter....

Those despairing at what they perceive as growing violence in society may take heart that the murder rate has dropped dramatically each century since King John's reign in 1200.
The murder rate in the 13th century - an average of 20 per 100,000 - was double that in the 16th century. And the murder rate in the Elizabethan and Jacobean eras was five times today's - it stands now at just over one death per 100,000.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime-in-britain-creation-of-police-contributes-little-to-800year-decline-in-murder-rate-1458064.html

Similarily.....
http://www.nytimes.com/1994/10/23/us/historical-study-of-homicide-and-cities-surprises-the-experts.html?n=Top/Reference/Times%20Topics/Subjects/U/Urban%20Areas&pagewanted=all

Theres a book called "Wisconsin Death Trip" which is based on pictures and news articles from the town Black River Falls in the early to mid 1890's. In it there's true stories about various local events, such as the woman who - everytime she gets stoned on Cocaine - smashes shop windows, children killing adults, fathers killing families, 'feckless youth' getting drunk and causing trouble, robbery, sickness and death.
http://www.amazon.com/Wisconsin-Death-Trip-Michael-Lesy/dp/0826321933

A docu-drama was made of it and is available on DVD. Quite good.

MarkR

Should we go back to before America was founded, or just before TV was invented? Either way, a world without murders would be pretty sweet.

Nodin

MarkR wrote: »

Should we go back to before America was founded, or just before TV was invented? Either way, a world without murders would be pretty sweet.

Have to go back to a world before life, I'm afraid.

Dudess

live2thewire wrote: »

Not so, following up from their recent school shooting, their polar bear fiasco and now kid kills his family.

http://www.thelocal.de/national/20090412-18589.html

in my opinion incidents like this are down to american media dominance which must be erradicated and banned under EU law. vast budgets should be given to european media to grow. I laugh when people say the eu will dilute european individual cultures, lol the usa is way way ahead on that front.

live2thewire wrote: »

ok maby not ban all american media but only the good stuff should remain. this kinda crap hasnt come to ireland yet but very very soon i see it happening and i'm quite aware who i'll be pointing the finger at(UNCLE SAM)

Yes. Of course.

OP, those posts are just a tad naive. Do you actually know what you're talking about?

That said, I do think media violence causes desensitisation. The content of A Clockwork Orange, Straw Dogs, The Exorcist, all those controversial 70s films which got banned... would barely raise an eyebrow now.
This desensitisation does not lead to people becoming killers though - it just makes them more difficult to shock.

Dudess

live2thewire wrote: »

i think you'd be hard pressed to find incidents like this before american media began to thrive. it is of little coincidence that bonnie and clyde were glorified spree killers a fact alluded to in NBK, and in what country? the land of the 'free'

Oh dear...

live2thewire wrote: »

the violence in american film has absolutely no basis or logic. compare (insert any american film) to in bruges and you will see a stark difference.

Ok, I get it. In Bruges is a non American film, therefore all non American films are on a par with it.
Maybe you should familiarise yourself with other non American films...

Woger

live2thewire wrote: »

ok maby not ban all american media but only the good stuff should remain. this kinda crap hasnt come to ireland yet but very very soon i see it happening and i'm quite aware who i'll be pointing the finger at(UNCLE SAM)

I agree, personal responsibility shouldn't be a factor in this. If Ireland has revealed itself to be a nation of pig ignorant morons who would prostitute thier granny to get an over priced apartment and to be seen in Krytles nightclub it's obvoius where the blame lies.

ejmaztec

Woger wrote: »

I agree, personal responsibility shouldn't be a factor in this. If Ireland has revealed itself to be a nation of pig ignorant morons who would prostitute thier granny to get an over priced apartment and to be seen in Krytles nightclub it's obvoius where the blame lies.

Nothing ever got that bad. :eek:

Are there any GILFs?

Woger

ejmaztec wrote: »

Nothing ever got that bad. :eek:

Are there any GILFs?

Really, we both know there's nothing uglier in this world than an irish snob (Americas fault of course).

ejmaztec

Woger wrote: »

Really, we both know there's nothing uglier in this world than an irish snob (Americas fault of course).

Yeh, bunch of yankers.

D.Q

guns dont kill people..rappers do.

El Weirdo

live2thewire wrote: »

... only the good stuff should remain.

Such as?

Jesus Wept

wrote:

The teenager was also “very taciturn and withdrawn” during questioning, Bauer added.

Strange behavior alright, I'd expect him to be much more personable after finding out his family had been shot dead.

Overheal

live2thewire wrote: »

in my opinion incidents like this are down to american media dominance which must be erradicated and banned under EU law. vast budgets should be given to european media to grow. I laugh when people say the eu will dilute european individual cultures, lol the usa is way way ahead on that front.

So, in the last 7 years, how many people have flown a plane into a building?

I also suppose in another time and place, Jack The Ripper might have told reporters that MSNBC made him do it.