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Come on!! Defend your prices South Irl Retailers

  • 11-04-2009 8:59pm
    #1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭


    I have my belly full of this rip off state. I was looking at recession bustours web site and it confirmed what i was thinking. Prices in the south are a joke. this is from their site..


    Some price comparisons:

    North v South

    Easter Eggs £5.00 €10.00

    Pampers mega box £12.00 €34.99

    Ikea Kitchen £876 €3000

    32inch HD TV £200 €549

    Brand name Potatoes £0.99 €5.99

    Barry's Tea bags £2.00 €5.00

    Wolf Blass Chardonnay £5.00 €12.05

    750ml vodka bottle £11.50 €23.00

    Dyson Vacumn cleaner £195.79 €519.99

    Surf washing powder £3.00 €8.29

    McCain homefries £2.00 €5.95

    24 bottles kronenberg beer £7.00 €20.00

    Colgate toothpaste 2pk £1.00 €3.40

    Pedigree chum dog food 6pk £2.00 €5.60

    Sanex deodorant £0.99 €2.99

    Lynx shower gel £0.99 €2.50


    If you are a retailer. Come on here and explain the difference.

    Posties You can do your own research. Look at the Lidl or Aldi web sites. Open Aldi or lidl .ie in one tab and aldi or lidl .co.uk in another. look at the weeks specials and compare, add 10 or 12 % to your Euro for sterling and prepare to be awed!!

    COME ON PEOPLE LETS MAKE THIS CHANGE!!! We need to keep the jobs here with fair pricing!!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I have my belly full of this rip off state. I was looking at recession bustours web site and it confirmed what i was thinking. Prices in the south are a joke. this is from their site..


    Some price comparisons:

    North v South

    Easter Eggs £5.00 €10.00

    Pampers mega box £12.00 €34.99

    Ikea Kitchen £876 €3000

    32inch HD TV £200 €549

    Brand name Potatoes £0.99 €5.99

    Barry's Tea bags £2.00 €5.00

    Wolf Blass Chardonnay £5.00 €12.05

    750ml vodka bottle £11.50 €23.00

    Dyson Vacumn cleaner £195.79 €519.99

    Surf washing powder £3.00 €8.29

    McCain homefries £2.00 €5.95

    24 bottles kronenberg beer £7.00 €20.00

    Colgate toothpaste 2pk £1.00 €3.40

    Pedigree chum dog food 6pk £2.00 €5.60

    Sanex deodorant £0.99 €2.99

    Lynx shower gel £0.99 €2.50


    If you are a retailer. Come on here and explain the difference.

    Posties You can do your own research. Look at the Lidl or Aldi web sites. Open Aldi or lidl .ie in one tab and aldi or lidl .co.uk in another. look at the weeks specials and compare, add 10 or 12 % to your Euro for sterling and prepare to be awed!!

    COME ON PEOPLE LETS MAKE THIS CHANGE!!! We need to keep the jobs here with fair pricing!!!






    Are you actually planning on posting brand names for some of these thing sor should we guess?

    Did you pick the cheapest place in the north for the 32" TV and the most expensive here? I've seen 32" hdtv's for a lot less than £549 here.

    Who is selling an ikea kitchen for €3000 down here? Or is this again , an ikea kitchen you buy flat packed Vs ringing a kitchen company and haveing them supply and fit a kitchen?

    I've seen Voka in Lidl cheaper than €23.

    Are "brand name potatoes" the same brand? If not then they are not the same.

    "easter eggs" is also very vague.

    I've seen Dysons in expensive shops for under €300 off the top of my head, may well have been less.



    I've never seen frozen chips for as much as €6 , are you useing Spar or Centra for the comparison price?

    If your comparing things you could at least do it properly and compare the cheapest here Vs the North.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭brian ireland


    Stekelly wrote: »
    Are you actually planning on posting brand names for some of these thing sor should we guess?

    Did you pick the cheapest place in the north for the 32" TV and the most expensive here? I've seen 32" hdtv's for a lot less than £549 here.

    Who is selling an ikea kitchen for €3000 down here? Or is this again , an ikea kitchen you buy flat packed Vs ringing a kitchen company and haveing them supply and fit a kitchen?

    I've seen Voka in Lidl cheaper than €23.

    Are "brand name potatoes" the same brand? If not then they are not the same.

    If your comparing things you could at least do it properly and compare the cheapest here Vs the North.
    Argos Email a friendPrint page


    LG 32in 32LG2000 HD Ready LCD TV with Freeview. 529/3599
    Save Over €100.00
    €399.00 was €491.99
    Ex. PRF €391.00
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    Email a friendPrint page

    LG 32in 32LG2000 HD Ready LCD TV with Freeview larger imagesLarger image
    LG 32in 32LG2000 HD Ready LCD TV with Freeview. 529/3599
    Save Over £100.00
    £299.00
    was £399.99


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Argos Email a friendPrint page


    LG 32in 32LG2000 HD Ready LCD TV with Freeview. 529/3599
    Save Over €100.00
    €399.00 was €491.99
    Ex. PRF €391.00
    PRF €8.00

    Email a friendPrint page

    LG 32in 32LG2000 HD Ready LCD TV with Freeview larger imagesLarger image
    LG 32in 32LG2000 HD Ready LCD TV with Freeview. 529/3599
    Save Over £100.00
    £299.00
    was £399.99


    1. Argos is a UK company
    2. Do you tink they have a representative here ready to answer your price query? If your unhappy about their prices compared to the uk, contact them.
    3. Just becaus eargos have it at that price doesnt mean thats the price everywhere in Ireland.
    4. That price is €399, you said it was €549



    As for Lidl/Aldi prices. As you say, open their site. Then go to the recruitment page (only 1 of them gives amounts) and see the difference in wages they are offering. €58k here Vs stg£ 40k in the UK for the graduate program.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭brian ireland


    Stekelly wrote: »
    1. Argos is a UK company
    2. Do you tink they have a representative here ready to answer your price query? If your unhappy about their prices compared to the uk, contact them.
    3. Just becaus eargos have it at that price doesnt mean thats the price everywhere in Ireland.
    I think you are missing the point my friend. Or are you a retailer?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    I think you are missing the point my friend. Or are you a retailer?

    Yes, I am Mr.Argos.


    Is your point that 1 particular company is around €60 more expensive for a tv? Even though in your OP you gave the price as stg£200 Vs €549.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    Heres the recruitment part on Aldi btw for the graduate program.

    Aldi.ie

    http://graduates.recruiting.ie.aldi.com/

    "All in return for a market leading rewards package including a starting salary of €60K plus car and fantastic career prospects"

    Aldi UK


    http://www.graduates.aldirecruitment.co.uk/

    "All in return for a market leading rewards package including a starting salary of £40K plus car and fantastic career prospects"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭brian ireland


    I know we have some extra costs here in the south. Rent and wages. BUT it does not add up.

    Argos is a UK company in Ireland like most of the shopping centre retailers. Like Next, PC world, H&M . I could go on for hours. If they dont have representative in Ireland, Fair play to them setting up business and running it from afar.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭brian ireland


    Stekelly wrote: »
    Heres the recruitment part on Aldi btw for the graduate program.

    Aldi.ie

    http://graduates.recruiting.ie.aldi.com/

    "All in return for a market leading rewards package including a starting salary of €60K plus car and fantastic career prospects"

    Aldi UK


    http://www.graduates.aldirecruitment.co.uk/

    "All in return for a market leading rewards package including a starting salary of £40K plus car and fantastic career prospects"
    So now you get the point. we are all paying millions of euros to pay a few managers thousands. A few hundred managers in ireland and their company cars do not explain the difference between a Aldi hover in the south for 90 euro and the north for 69 pound


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭brian ireland


    Any retailers wanna come on down??????


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    So now you get the point. we are all paying millions of euros to pay a few managers thousands. A few hundred managers in ireland and their company cars do not explain the difference between a Aldi hover in the south for 90 euro and the north for 69 pound

    It's not just the managers. Hourly rate starting in Aldi uk is stg£8 ph. Here its €11.20.

    Either way. They dont have to justify anything. They can sell everything for 100 times the price here if they want.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭brian ireland


    Stekelly wrote: »
    It's not just the managers. Hourly rate starting in Aldi uk is stg£8 ph. Here its €11.20.

    Either way. They dont have to justify anything. They can sell everything for 100 times the price here if they want.
    |Thats OK only if we take it. Its time to say NO. You have screwed us too much for too long. give us normal prices, thats all we ask.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭gerrycollins


    |Thats OK only if we take it. Its time to say NO. You have screwed us too much for too long. give us normal prices, thats all we ask.

    hi Brian, Im a retailer no qualms about it, now I cannot comment on the Non Food side as I'm a grocery retailer.

    Just one point before we go on, Aldi and Lidl here are been highlighted as Dsicount retailers but as you have pointed out the comparison between north and south is 10 to 15%, so does the fact that their price differences justify the title as discounter in the south if they have the same price variance as me.

    Ok apart from wages,rent and all that been more expensive in the south I will give you an actual live comparision.

    SMA baby food attracts 0% VAT in both countries. In the north the equivalent euro retail price is about €8.50. SMA them selves only recently put through a price decrease from €12.50 to now €9.99 and that is sold into me at the new price of €9.Tesco are currenty selling for about €7.50 but that wont last long they will revert to €9.99.

    Now thats the exact same product, maybe out of two different factories but I get mine from Wyett Ireland in Clondalkin. I cant buy it from the UK so can you please explain to me how im a rip off?

    I have a vodka for €12 and can get one for €10 if asked for cheaper


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty


    South Irl ? Never heard of Southern Ireland myself, must visit there some day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,432 ✭✭✭mcwhirter


    hi Brian, Im a retailer no qualms about it, now I cannot comment on the Non Food side as I'm a grocery retailer.

    Just one point before we go on, Aldi and Lidl here are been highlighted as Dsicount retailers but as you have pointed out the comparison between north and south is 10 to 15%, so does the fact that their price differences justify the title as discounter in the south if they have the same price variance as me.

    Ok apart from wages,rent and all that been more expensive in the south I will give you an actual live comparision.

    SMA baby food attracts 0% VAT in both countries. In the north the equivalent euro retail price is about €8.50. SMA them selves only recently put through a price decrease from €12.50 to now €9.99 and that is sold into me at the new price of €9.Tesco are currenty selling for about €7.50 but that wont last long they will revert to €9.99.

    Now thats the exact same product, maybe out of two different factories but I get mine from Wyett Ireland in Clondalkin. I cant buy it from the UK so can you please explain to me how im a rip off?

    I have a vodka for €12 and can get one for €10 if asked for cheaper

    It appears to me it is the suppliers to the retailers here which are ripping people off. Before the sterling loss in value, SMA ready mixed cartons where selling for 41p in the north and 99c here. Even when the rate was 1.5 euros to the pound it was still a lot cheaper to buy that particular product in the north.
    The blame is not the retailers but the retailers supplier in my opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,913 ✭✭✭Absolam


    I know we have some extra costs here in the south. Rent and wages. BUT it does not add up.

    Argos is a UK company in Ireland like most of the shopping centre retailers. Like Next, PC world, H&M . I could go on for hours. If they dont have representative in Ireland, Fair play to them setting up business and running it from afar.

    It does add up. If it didn't add up then someone who wants to make some money (there are a few around) would move in, undercut everyone, and steal all the business. Nobody has; even Aldi and Lidl the renowned discounters haven't managed an overnight monopoly, and they're already coming under fire for not being 'competitive' with their stores in other countries. If someone could do it cheaper someone would; that's the way free market economies work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,852 ✭✭✭homer simpson


    Alan Rouge wrote: »
    South Irl ? Never heard of Southern Ireland myself, must visit there some day.

    A lot of people from northen ireland refear to the republic as southern ireland. i know your being sarcastic but thought i'd say anyway lol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 370 ✭✭MaxFlower


    Alan Rouge wrote: »
    South Irl ? Never heard of Southern Ireland myself, must visit there some day.

    The picturesque South of Ireland is famed for its relaxed pace of life and outstanding natural beauty. Encompassing the counties of Carlow, Cork, Kerry, Kilkenny, Tipperary, Waterford and Wexford. Go there some time, you'll find a warm welcome.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭brian ireland


    i Touch 8 Gig
    • Pixmaina 199 Euro
      Argos Uk 165 pound = 184 Euro
      Argos Irl (south lol) = 219 Euro 196 Pound


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    Stekelly wrote: »
    It's not just the managers. Hourly rate starting in Aldi uk is stg£8 ph. Here its €11.20.

    Either way. They dont have to justify anything. They can sell everything for 100 times the price here if they want.

    Don't mean to hijack this thread but.. seriously?

    €11.20 an hour? Is that starting wage for normal staff, or for managers?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    Weepsie wrote: »
    edit, and lidls vodka is 17/18 quid, ive bought it!
    So have I, for €8/9 here in France. That is not a misprint. I know it's all excise duty and vat but isn't that a scandalous difference? It's not as if the French Govt aren't taking their chunk out of the €9.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,229 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Nivea Shaving Conditioner:

    Argos Ireland €9.49

    J McKenna Listowel and their one solitary shop €7.99


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    OK, here is a good one. I've been looking to get a netbook and I've been doing some price comparisons.

    Samsung NC10 from Pixmania.ie = €507 inc. VAT
    Samsung NC10 from Pixmania.co.uk = £329 inc. VAT

    Using today's rate of 1 GBP = 1.11508 EUR it works out at €366.86. That a full €140.14 more costly to buy the same product from the same company in the ROI.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    I have my belly full of this rip off state. I was looking at recession bustours web site and it confirmed what i was thinking. Prices in the south are a joke. this is from their site..


    Some price comparisons:

    North v South

    Easter Eggs £5.00 €10.00

    Pampers mega box £12.00 €34.99

    Ikea Kitchen £876 €3000

    32inch HD TV £200 €549

    Brand name Potatoes £0.99 €5.99

    Barry's Tea bags £2.00 €5.00

    Wolf Blass Chardonnay £5.00 €12.05

    750ml vodka bottle £11.50 €23.00

    Dyson Vacumn cleaner £195.79 €519.99

    Surf washing powder £3.00 €8.29

    McCain homefries £2.00 €5.95

    24 bottles kronenberg beer £7.00 €20.00

    Colgate toothpaste 2pk £1.00 €3.40

    Pedigree chum dog food 6pk £2.00 €5.60

    Sanex deodorant £0.99 €2.99

    Lynx shower gel £0.99 €2.50


    If you are a retailer. Come on here and explain the difference.
    Come back with the wholesale prices and you would not have even started this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,229 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    €10 Easter egg? Even our local rob-yer-blind SuperValu was selling them two or three for €5.

    I agree with Rubadub - get yourself a wholesale price-list to find out where the true robbery occurs - also lists from importers, distributors etc- they've all got peg-legs and parrots.

    I'm not a retailer - just a poor accountant. :(


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 344 ✭✭vodafoneproblem


    OK, here is a good one. I've been looking to get a netbook and I've been doing some price comparisons.

    Samsung NC10 from Pixmania.ie = €507 inc. VAT
    Samsung NC10 from Pixmania.co.uk = £329 inc. VAT

    Using today's rate of 1 GBP = 1.11508 EUR it works out at €366.86. That a full €140.14 more costly to buy the same product from the same company in the ROI.

    Hi Fanny. Your Irish link is actually for an NC20 (a larger machine than the NC10) so you're not comparing like with like there. I can't find an NC10 on the pixmania site but elara have a blue one currently on sale for €358.43 and the black ones for €363.29 and white ones for €360.86. I was faced with the option of getting a NC10 from the UK slightly cheaper a couple of months ago and went with elara in the end because of ease of collection and return. Plus they have a rep and sub-forum around boards.ie that gives further moaning options if anything goes wrong, lol. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1106 So far, so good, though! The fact I'm making the effort to type this up to stick up for an Irish company that's offering good value should tell you something about them.

    White: http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfull.asp?productcode=ELA1623358
    Black: http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfull.asp?productcode=ELA1617255
    Blue: http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfull.asp?productcode=ECE1623359


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 47 jancav


    I recently bought a Dyson hoover in NI for £145. Sneakily, you can't get the exact same model in Ireland, you have to buy a 'more feature rich' one for €299. But they both suck up the dust !

    Also, I wanted to buy a cooker up in NI but Dixons have stopped selling them out of their shops, you have to have them delivered, to an address in NI of course! The reason for this is that their shops in Ireland are charging at least €100 more for the same cooker.

    So it's really the UK wholesalers and retailers are pi**ing themselves laughing at us stupid Paddies buying stuff from them at rip off prices.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,245 ✭✭✭✭Fanny Cradock


    Hi Fanny. Your Irish link is actually for an NC20 (a larger machine than the NC10) so you're not comparing like with like there. I can't find an NC10 on the pixmania site but elara have a blue one currently on sale for €358.43 and the black ones for €363.29 and white ones for €360.86. I was faced with the option of getting a NC10 from the UK slightly cheaper a couple of months ago and went with elara in the end because of ease of collection and return. Plus they have a rep and sub-forum around boards.ie that gives further moaning options if anything goes wrong, lol. http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1106 So far, so good, though! The fact I'm making the effort to type this up to stick up for an Irish company that's offering good value should tell you something about them.

    White: http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfull.asp?productcode=ELA1623358
    Black: http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfull.asp?productcode=ELA1617255
    Blue: http://www.elara.ie/products/detailsfull.asp?productcode=ECE1623359

    My bad!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,241 ✭✭✭rameire


    jancav wrote: »
    I recently bought a Dyson hoover in NI for £145. Sneakily, you can't get the exact same model in Ireland, you have to buy a 'more feature rich' one for €299. But they both suck up the dust !

    Also, I wanted to buy a cooker up in NI but Dixons have stopped selling them out of their shops, you have to have them delivered, to an address in NI of course! The reason for this is that their shops in Ireland are charging at least €100 more for the same cooker.

    So it's really the UK wholesalers and retailers are pi**ing themselves laughing at us stupid Paddies buying stuff from them at rip off prices.

    was it gas or electric cooker,
    the reason why they dont really sell to the republic is due to a cut off switch that is manufactured into the gas cookers for the republic,
    to sell a gas cooker in the republic you are required by law to have the safety switch built in.
    in the uk and many other countries it is not law so they dont have the switch in many models.

    if you buy it and get somebody to fit it, the fitter may decline to fit the machine due to the law.
    lets just say your house burnt down, and you had the uk model installed, the insurance company could decline to payout.

    with new laws coming in regarding gas servicing and supplies,
    servicing will have to be frequent and if you do not do this the insurance company can decline to provide cover until you show a full cert of compliance.

    so for me for a cooker an extra 100 euro is worth it.

    🌞 3.8kwp, 🌞 Clonee, Dub.🌞



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭gerrycollins


    mcwhirter wrote: »
    It appears to me it is the suppliers to the retailers here which are ripping people off. Before the sterling loss in value, SMA ready mixed cartons where selling for 41p in the north and 99c here. Even when the rate was 1.5 euros to the pound it was still a lot cheaper to buy that particular product in the north.
    The blame is not the retailers but the retailers supplier in my opinion.

    Not altogether the supplier totally dont forget where they manufacturer in Ireland they suffer the same ESB and wages and insurance etc as me.

    Whats gets me is the stuff that manufactured outside the country even outside europe, its an irish based office I have to order via and that adds up the price also.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    there is so much vagueness and comparision of unlike for unlike by the OP that I dont know where to begin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    there is so much vagueness and comparision of unlike for unlike by the OP that I dont know where to begin

    I tried to make a strat but he ignored most of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭gerrycollins


    where is the OP?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    Gone to Newry for a spot of shopping perhaps...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭ecom


    as a relatively new (very) small retailer myself (1 year or so), I completely agree that the suppliers in Ireland do charge considerably higher prices than suppliers in the UK or elsewhere.

    That is why I now source most of my product from outside Ireland.
    As a result of this any product I sell that any of the major supermarkets here sell, I sell cheaper. In most cases 10% to 15% cheaper and in some cases a lot more. Every now and again the larger stores offer a special on a product which will beat my price, but these specials only ever last a few days whereas my low price is long term.

    Believe me if I can do it, they can do it, however I believe they choose not to.

    I could never sell the product as cheap as they sell in the UK because of the difference in VAT, exchange rate and extra delivery cost to ship to Ireland, however I can definately sell considerably cheaper than the large supermarkets.

    I choose to do this to differentiate myself from competitors and because I as a consumer was and still am sick at being ripped off.

    Please dont ask me where my shop is as I'm not intending this to be an advert, but I will give you a few examples:


    Listerine Original Mouthwash 500ml
    Tesco Price = €5.19 (was €6.90)
    My price = €4.00

    Gillette Fusion Power Blades 4pk
    Tesco Price = €12.19 (was €13.99)
    My price = €11.00

    Vaseline Int Care Aloe Fresh Lotion 400ml
    Tesco Price = €7.29
    My Price = €4.00


    I chose Tesco as a comparison as their prices are easily available online.

    Obviously a shop like Tescos has considerably higher running costs but surely as a bulk buyer they buy the product cheaper than I do?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,897 ✭✭✭Kimia


    Was in New Look recently (in the south) and was checking out shoes.

    The label says £25 and €40. The shop had put a sticker over the sterling price but I had a look under it.

    Another time, in Dunnes, there were slippers on sale for €4 and I found a tag which had €4 or £2. They had tried to cut off all the sterling prices but someone forgot one!

    This can't be right? How can anyone defend this??


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    ecom wrote: »
    Believe me if I can do it, they can do it, however I believe they choose not to...

    Obviously a shop like Tescos has considerably higher running costs but surely as a bulk buyer they buy the product cheaper than I do?
    As a retailer you must know that the manufacturers would simply stop supplying tesco, dunnes etc if they did the same practice as you. I figure this is how €2 shops can sell chocolate bars much cheaper than tescos etc too.

    It is like off-licences selling multipack beers singly, legally there is nothing wrong with it, but it is frowned upon by the suppliers, small stores can get away with it, but they would stop supplying the big boys if they did it.

    I have heard the term "grey imports" for what you are doing, first heard this in the 80s when small shops in town and in UK games magazines would sell japanese megadrives & snes's. The manufacturers try to control sales in each region and charge what they can get in each region/country.

    If tesco could do it then why wouldn't they?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,793 ✭✭✭✭Hagar


    rubadub wrote: »
    ...but they would stop supplying the big boys if they did it.
    I'm not so sure, if they did that who would sell their product?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 68 ✭✭ecom


    rubadub wrote: »
    As a retailer you must know that the manufacturers would simply stop supplying tesco, dunnes etc if they did the same practice as you. I figure this is how €2 shops can sell chocolate bars much cheaper than tescos etc too.

    I dont agree at all with this.
    Do you honestly think that manufacturers would at any stage stop supplying their biggest customer?

    €2 shops can sell chocolate bars cheaper than Tesco because they choose to do so and not have as much margin.

    Your average bar of chocolate in Musgraves (and I'm sure they arent the cheapest) costs 35c. If a Centra charge 99c for that bar then all it means is that their margins are higher. If they charged 50c for the same bar, the manufactuers arent going to stop supplying Musgraves
    rubadub wrote: »
    I have heard the term "grey imports" for what you are doing, first heard this in the 80s when small shops in town and in UK games magazines would sell japanese megadrives & snes's. The manufacturers try to control sales in each region and charge what they can get in each region/country.

    I can understand this however its not the practice that I necesarily adopt. Much of the branded product I sell is UK manufactured and distributed in exactly the same way as the same product that Tesco sell is.
    rubadub wrote: »
    If tesco could do it then why wouldn't they?

    Very good question, however the answer is 'profit taking'. They are going to charge what we as consumers are willing to pay. There is very little price difference between a basket of goods bought in Tesco's and the same basket bought in Dunnes or SuperV.

    If I was a cynic I'd tell you why I think that is :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,386 ✭✭✭✭rubadub


    Hagar wrote: »
    I'm not so sure, if they did that who would sell their product?
    Other supermarkets willing to buy at the high price and pass it onto the customer. I am sure Ben Dunne would absolutely love it if he was the only coke dealer in dublin. (coca-cola I mean;))
    ecom wrote: »
    Do you honestly think that manufacturers would at any stage stop supplying their biggest customer?
    Yes, I thought this would be common knowledge to any retailer like yourself, do you think the manufacturers are happy with what you are doing (I am by the way!).
    ecom wrote: »
    €2 shops can sell chocolate bars cheaper than Tesco because they choose to do so and not have as much margin.

    Your average bar of chocolate in Musgraves (and I'm sure they arent the cheapest) costs 35c.
    My mate has a card for musgraves and I have been in the odd time, I have never seen great deals there. Bars are 5 for €2 in the €2 shops, that is 40cent each, and for bars like terrys chocolate orange, toblerone, bournville, ones that tend to be a little more expensive. Also they often have limited edition bars you never see in regular shops, this really led me to think they source from abroad.
    ecom wrote: »
    I can understand this however its not the practice that I necesarily adopt. Much of the branded product I sell is UK manufactured and distributed in exactly the same way as the same product that Tesco sell is.
    I expect tesco get what they can from the cheapest source, but price controls definitely exist on some products, it is certainly nothing new, look at region coding on videos and games going back to the 80's. I know levis stopped tesco trying to import jeans from the US to sell in the UK & here. I have never seen UK branded coke in a major irish supermarket, but no doubt if a maker does let them away with it they will do it, and milk it dry, it would be foolish not to.

    Have a read of this thread.
    http://wwww.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=58908965

    It has a link to this http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=NEWS+FEATURES-qqqm=nav-qqqid=39196-qqqx=1.asp
    Boxes of Pampers nappies that are being sold at €25 to Irish retailers are available for €10 in Britain. The Sunday Business Post sourced cases of Coca-Cola that typically sell for €9 in Ireland for €5.60 (»5) in Britain.

    Price lists acquired by this newspaper showed a huge disparity in the prices which suppliers in Ireland are charging retailers compared to the prices British suppliers are charging.

    ‘‘The prices differences are huge, but this should not let the big retailers like Tesco with pan-European buying power off the hook,” said one medium sized independent retailer One large retailer said it had approached the British outfits directly, but many refused to open an account that bypassed the Irish office.

    ‘‘It is important to remember that the Irish market is extremely small, so when there is trouble, they simply shrug their shoulders,” he said.

    ‘‘They have passively decided they are not going to do anything about it.” The retailer said he felt ‘‘absolutely powerless. The finger is consistently being pointed at us for being too expensive, but the vast majority of us are not making huge profits’’......

    REI said a comprehensive survey of 20,000 products found that the Euro supplier price was less than the UK supplier price in less than 1 per cent of cases.

    ‘‘Something is seriously wrong when standard grocery brands are up to 250 per cent more expensive when sourced by retailers in Ireland than in Britain,” Fitzsimons said

    ‘‘The anti-competitive practice of many fashion and cosmetic brand owners who refuse to allow Irish retailers to buy in sterling, instead insisting on euro payment at a premium of sometimes 50 per cent on the sterling price, will in effect lead to significant business closures.......


  • Site Banned Posts: 5,904 ✭✭✭parsi



    Sanex deodorant £0.99 €2.99

    Dunnes had this for 99c IIRC

    Though have a look at this - http://www.aldi.co.uk/uk/html/product_range/2744_3421.htm
    UK5.99 - 10.99 here.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭brian ireland


    where is the OP?

    Sorry Gerry & Hagar. Easter Weekend is a time for the family. I haven't vanished.
    I was looking through a few prices for myself, as I said on my original post, The price quoted are not my personal findings. So now I will post my own.

    [QUOTE=I was looking at recession bustours web site and it confirmed what i was thinking. Prices in the south are a joke. this is from their site..[/QUOTE]

    To be honest I lost interest in looking for cheap price comparisons because there are so many.
    Here are a few
    Tesco Ireland V Asda UK
    Colgate Advanced Whtng 100ml -Tesco ie €4.49 (Asda £2.92 )
    Listerine Stay white 500Ml -Tesco ie €5.79 (Asda £3.31)
    Sudocrem Antiseptic 250ml -Tesco ie €6.67 (Asda £3.41)
    Bramley cooking apples per kg -Tesco ie €2.38 (Asda £1.58)
    Uncle Bens rice G.V -Tesco ie €1.95 (Asda £1.65)
    Green giant corn nibblets 340grm -Tesco ie €1.14 (Asda £0.67)

    Its not just food, it rampant across all products. I understand what you said in a previous post that the suppliers are not giving the best prices to Irish retailers. In my line of business if we cant get realistic prices from Irish companies unfortunately we have to look to OUR European market for better prices.
    Mybe a bit more of this might focus the suppliers minds
    ecom wrote: »
    as a relatively new (very) small retailer myself (1 year or so), I completely agree that the suppliers in Ireland do charge considerably higher prices than suppliers in the UK or elsewhere.

    That is why I now source most of my product from outside Ireland.
    As a result of this any product I sell that any of the major supermarkets here sell, I sell cheaper. In most cases 10% to 15% cheaper and in some cases a lot more. Every now and again the larger stores offer a special on a product which will beat my price, but these specials only ever last a few days whereas my low price is long term.

    Believe me if I can do it, they can do it, however I believe they choose not to.

    I could never sell the product as cheap as they sell in the UK because of the difference in VAT, exchange rate and extra delivery cost to ship to Ireland, however I can definately sell considerably cheaper than the large supermarkets.

    I choose to do this to differentiate myself from competitors and because I as a consumer was and still am sick at being ripped off.

    Please dont ask me where my shop is as I'm not intending this to be an advert, but I will give you a few examples:


    Listerine Original Mouthwash 500ml
    Tesco Price = €5.19 (was €6.90)
    My price = €4.00

    Gillette Fusion Power Blades 4pk
    Tesco Price = €12.19 (was €13.99)
    My price = €11.00

    Vaseline Int Care Aloe Fresh Lotion 400ml
    Tesco Price = €7.29
    My Price = €4.00


    I chose Tesco as a comparison as their prices are easily available online.

    Obviously a shop like Tescos has considerably higher running costs but surely as a bulk buyer they buy the product cheaper than I do?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    there we go, not comparing like with like, one lot is from tesco, the other is from asda, and that's could easily be all the items asda had a offer on at the time
    you can't go around making wild accusations and use one of the cheapest in the uk with one of the more expensive in eire
    sure if I was to compare the cheapest in eire with the most expensive in the uk, I'm sure that the € price down here would be less than the £ price in the uk for some itmes


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭brian ireland


    there we go, not comparing like with like, one lot is from tesco, the other is from asda, and that's could easily be all the items asda had a offer on at the time
    you can't go around making wild accusations and use one of the cheapest in the UK with one of the more expensive in eire
    sure if I was to compare the cheapest in eire with the most expensive in the uk, I'm sure that the € price down here would be less than the £ price in the uk for some itmes
    ? I don't work for consumer affairs. I am only pointing out the facts. I don't have the time print every price difference in the country just to prove to you what you already know. wild accusations???? Think not!!

    Green giant corn nibblets 340grm -Tesco ie €1.14 (Asda £0.67) Tesco uk £0.67


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭brian ireland


    Poundland uk. Everything 1 pound. Maxwell house coffee 1 pound 100 grms Maltesers 1 pound. Profits up 122% last year

    Anyone know if they are coming to Ireland??


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    okay maybe I was being a bit blunt, but it would have made things alot easier if you had said where the source of the prices was from the outsiet, as north & south is so vague


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,799 ✭✭✭gerrycollins


    ecom wrote: »
    I dont agree at all with this.
    Do you honestly think that manufacturers would at any stage stop supplying their biggest customer?

    Without causing too much offence and mods feel free to punish if i word incorrectly.

    I know a large Irish establishment with buying power to beat the band. They are committed to supporting irish jobs(so what i hear you say) so they buy from irish suppliers or irish based offices.

    they decided one time for a laugh to buy their mars bars(only an example please) from the back of beyonds through uk based operations to save on the sterling/euro crack. Mars found out and reminded them that they had a contract with their irish office and the order was refused.

    I would love to be in you position but sadly im not and neither are a lot of retailers around.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    gerry, is this the same establishment who say that the difference is they're irish, yet about two thirds of their staff appear to be foreigners


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,443 ✭✭✭Red Sleeping Beauty


    Poundland uk. Everything 1 pound. Maxwell house coffee 1 pound 100 grms Maltesers 1 pound. Profits up 122% last year

    Anyone know if they are coming to Ireland??

    It'll be TwoEuroLand if they do :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,647 ✭✭✭brian ireland


    Sorry made a mistake


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