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Social Welfare scams

  • 09-04-2009 08:28PM
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 30


    I have absolutely no problem with people claiming social welfare if they are entitled to it. However my problem is with the people who are not entitled to it. Ok, the government made a big play at closing the loophole of foreign nationals claiming even when they are not in the country. But where I live - a rural area. I have 10 houses in close proximity to me. 4 of those households are claiming disibility of some kind. In all cases its back problems. I was at a 21st recently and these people were dancing all night! 1 house has a complicated scam going. She is claiming lone parents allowance. The partner (who drives a Lexus by the way and has his own courier business) owns the house but its on the social housing scheme?? He gets rent of her and is subsidised by the council and he lives there also although the council don't know it. 2 households are claiming the dole but work also. Also 2 neighbours have claims in for accidents! Classy area!
    My point is that the government could get heir 3 billion alone if they investigated each social welfare claim thoroughly and followed up with spot checks. It kills me seeing these people getting money for jam while myself and wife are working our backsides off. Who are the fools them or us.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Heineken Helen


    if they had accidents why shouldn't they claim?

    I have back problems, slipped disc... and I can certainly dance... in fact it's one of the only times I'm not in agony with it... lying, sitting and walking uphill are the worst. As for the girl with the rich boyfriend, report her... but you know nothing about the others... doctors recommend lotsa exercise for back problems.

    Your curtains must be twitching all the time... how do you know so much about your neighbours? Do they discuss their individual claims with you in person before going to the dole?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭PCPhoto


    the fact of the matter is that the entire governmental system in this country is flawed.

    Social welfare
    HSE
    Legal System
    Political process

    all of the above could do with serious reform.

    problem is that once you start investigating and catching people - when do you stop ?

    Its true that there are many people out there screwing the social welfare system and there are families and generations of families who have never worked and always claimed benefits.....but I'd also like to point out there are loads of genuine cases out there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭aare


    I am with you in cases where the fiddles are so extreme that those involved could easily support themselves without benefits, but the cost of investigating carefully enough to punish the guilty while protecting the innocent from malice would be far too great for the returns at this time.

    Particularly when the relevant departments cannot even process the new claims.

    You have to allow for the fact that, in these times, to cut off an innocent person could be a death sentence...and vulnerable people are often the targets of bullying in the form of, pretty sophisticated, malicious complaint that MUST be weeded out.

    Also, I feel obliged to point out that I once knew a young woman with a (genuine) very severe back injury who could dance me under the table...and that takes some doing:D, so SOME appearances can be deceptive, but I agree, not all.

    Another national amnesty mightn't be a bad idea though?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Heineken Helen


    aare wrote: »

    Also, I feel obliged to point out that I once knew a young woman with a (genuine) very severe back injury who could dance me under the table...and that takes some doing:D, so SOME appearances can be deceptive, but I agree, not all.

    I'm not claiming disability for my back and generally don't even talk about it... the only way people would know is cos I have a very SLIGHT limp... BUT you get me on the dancefloor (preferably with a few drinks) and it's one of the few times I'm not constantly aware of feeling uncomfortable... and now I have to worry about stupid people standing watching me and thinking 'there's nothing wrong with her' but I can assure you it's very serious and I could end up crippled cos of it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭aare


    PCPhoto wrote: »
    the fact of the matter is that the entire governmental system in this country is flawed.

    Social welfare
    HSE
    Legal System
    Political process

    all of the above could do with serious reform.

    Streamlining alone would save a FORTUNE...
    PCPhoto wrote: »
    problem is that once you start investigating and catching people - when do you stop ?

    NOW look what you did?

    You done gone and opened the biggest can off worms of all...the fact that this country (and particularly the welfare system) is STILL run on the assumption of a little bit of fiddling...though not to anything like the same extent as in the past...

    You just can't afford to pull the plug on that overnight...they may even have to count on people being able to "fiddle a bit" when they start making deeper cuts.
    PCPhoto wrote: »
    Its true that there are many people out there screwing the social welfare system and there are families and generations of families who have never worked and always claimed benefits.....but I'd also like to point out there are loads of genuine cases out there.

    That is also very true, and if you clamp down to harshly, what is apt to happen is that the innocent suffer while the guilty go on getting away scot free...simply because they know how to.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭aare


    I'm not claiming disability for my back and generally don't even talk about it... the only way people would know is cos I have a very SLIGHT limp... BUT you get me on the dancefloor (preferably with a few drinks) and it's one of the few times I'm not constantly aware of feeling uncomfortable... and now I have to worry about stupid people standing watching me and thinking 'there's nothing wrong with her' but I can assure you it's very serious and I could end up crippled cos of it.

    You sound to be in a very similar position...might even be the same person. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Heineken Helen


    aare wrote: »
    You sound to be in a very similar position...might even be the same person. :D

    :p Never said I COULD dance... just that I DO and I love it... but I'm probably also one of those people that others look at and say I've no right to be on the dancefloor at all... cos I've two left feet :D

    AHHHH... how people judge :rolleyes: It's when people start listening to them that I get worried... and that seems to be happening these days :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭aare


    :p Never said I COULD dance... just that I DO and I love it... but I'm probably also one of those people that others look at and say I've no right to be on the dancefloor at all... cos I've two left feet :D

    That bad? Maybe you could get disability for that so?

    She really could dance...SO well I STILL hate her for it...even before we mention the waist length auburn curls...
    AHHHH... how people judge :rolleyes: It's when people start listening to them that I get worried... and that seems to be happening these days :o

    People are scared, some of them feel better letting off steam, telling themselves they know where the bogeyman lives and how to solve this...

    I just have my heart in my mouth in case they really pick up burning brands and go on a witchhunt...

    Because, when they do whoever they are *after*, they'll have to take me first...and I am a mortal coward really...I just don't have what it takes to stand by and watch.

    There are good people who aren't losing the run of themselves though...take a look at what Hagar has been up to, it'll do your heart good. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 103 ✭✭Quartet


    rugbynut wrote: »
    I have absolutely no problem with people claiming social welfare if they are entitled to it. However my problem is with the people who are not entitled to it. Ok, the government made a big play at closing the loophole of foreign nationals claiming even when they are not in the country. But where I live - a rural area. I have 10 houses in close proximity to me. 4 of those households are claiming disibility of some kind. In all cases its back problems. I was at a 21st recently and these people were dancing all night! 1 house has a complicated scam going. She is claiming lone parents allowance. The partner (who drives a Lexus by the way and has his own courier business) owns the house but its on the social housing scheme?? He gets rent of her and is subsidised by the council and he lives there also although the council don't know it. 2 households are claiming the dole but work also. Also 2 neighbours have claims in for accidents! Classy area!
    My point is that the government could get heir 3 billion alone if they investigated each social welfare claim thoroughly and followed up with spot checks. It kills me seeing these people getting money for jam while myself and wife are working our backsides off. Who are the fools them or us.

    Limerick / Tipperary border any chance?:cool:

    "Back Problems" would appear to be a favouite one - generally undiagnosable but cant be dispoved either....

    The odd MD will sign disability certs because they 'know' the family and cant refuse somebody repeatably claiming back problems....

    I would be wary though of dancing the night away etc if a person was claiming - it will only last as long as they dont get caught! Its not a very convincing pastime for someone claimimg!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 rugbynut


    Alright, alright. I specifically stated at the outset that I didn't have a problem with people who are entitled to social welfare and I don't. It's the people that are not entitled to it and are claiming it that I want exposed. I've been paying taxes for 30 years and I don't want my funds going to people who don't deserve it-that's all I'm saying. And the government have a duty to ensure that my tax is put to go use. So investigate where it's going and make sure it goes to the right people-surely every right thinking citizen shouldn't have a problem with this??
    if they had accidents why shouldn't they claim?

    I have back problems, slipped disc... and I can certainly dance... in fact it's one of the only times I'm not in agony with it... lying, sitting and walking uphill are the worst. As for the girl with the rich boyfriend, report her... but you know nothing about the others... doctors recommend lotsa exercise for back problems.

    Your curtains must be twitching all the time... how do you know so much about your neighbours? Do they discuss their individual claims with you in person before going to the dole?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭scorpioishere


    rugbynut wrote: »
    I have absolutely no problem with people claiming social welfare if they are entitled to it. However my problem is with the people who are not entitled to it. Ok, the government made a big play at closing the loophole of foreign nationals claiming even when they are not in the country. But where I live - a rural area. I have 10 houses in close proximity to me. 4 of those households are claiming disibility of some kind. In all cases its back problems. I was at a 21st recently and these people were dancing all night! 1 house has a complicated scam going. She is claiming lone parents allowance. The partner (who drives a Lexus by the way and has his own courier business) owns the house but its on the social housing scheme?? He gets rent of her and is subsidised by the council and he lives there also although the council don't know it. 2 households are claiming the dole but work also. Also 2 neighbours have claims in for accidents! Classy area!
    My point is that the government could get heir 3 billion alone if they investigated each social welfare claim thoroughly and followed up with spot checks. It kills me seeing these people getting money for jam while myself and wife are working our backsides off. Who are the fools them or us.
    Me too i don't have any problem with anybody claiming social welfare if they really deserve it. But unfortunately like you i know so many people who claim social welfare and they doesn't deserve it at all. I know lots of people who works 38/40 hours a week and got social welfare too. I know also lots of people pretending to have disability, pretending they have pain, they can't move their hands, their elbow, etc etc and then got disability benefit and the same people you will see yapping at the corner of the road with others and also carrying heavy boxes od cans of beers.

    Also on FM104 show one day there was a talk about social welfare and this guy rang and said he's been getting social welfare for 7 years while he is still working. he said he used the money to travel, to pay women for sex, to go on holidays 6/8 times a year.

    Our tax money is going to these dirty ****ers who doesn't deserve social welfare at all. its time the government investigate each individual. It's because of them the country is ****ed today.:mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭scorpioishere


    I'm not claiming disability for my back and generally don't even talk about it... the only way people would know is cos I have a very SLIGHT limp... BUT you get me on the dancefloor (preferably with a few drinks) and it's one of the few times I'm not constantly aware of feeling uncomfortable... and now I have to worry about stupid people standing watching me and thinking 'there's nothing wrong with her' but I can assure you it's very serious and I could end up crippled cos of it.

    Its not stupid but its a way to tell the authority who deserves the social welfare and who doesn't. If you don't deserve it why you should get it. I dnt want to pay tax for lazy ****ers who pretends that they can't work because of some fake disability. If you can't work because of your limp, you can't dance either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,581 ✭✭✭dodgyme


    I know also lots of people pretending to have disability, pretending they have pain, they can't move their hands, their elbow, etc etc:

    I know a few also. They have lovely gardens and seems to have no problems with wheel barrows and digging flower beds and offering to landscape your garden because you are working late (to pay their dole disability) and cant get to it, ...oh ... as long as you can pay them in cash!:rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,584 ✭✭✭PCPhoto


    while I agree that the government should investigate each and every claimant to verify authenticity - thats not possible.

    IMO what they need to do is take each area and investigate: ie. disability benefit, how do people use/abuse this area of social welfare - how can we stop them.

    Same goes for other state benefits ? Childrens allowance/single parent allowances, rent allowance, disability benefit etc etc.

    it could take a number of years but given time and effort the entire system could be (almost) flawless.

    best of my knowledge disability benefit is the biggest one that is abused - people claim they are injured and cant work -

    what do you do when they are caught ?

    just tell them politely to stop:rolleyes::rolleyes: (Pretty please !! ) or prosecute them through the courts for benefit fraud (Which of course we pay for - :eek:FREE LEGAL AID :eek::confused:).... lets face it we cant win and should elect the scammers to political positions - they know the system better and its loopholes.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,968 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Maybe fraud investigation is an area that should be expanded in DSFA.
    What they are doing at the minute isn't working so maybe they need to expand.

    Not new hiring but transfer in people from other departments. While it's probably boring work it does sound a bit more interesting then processing claims all day.

    So if there are civil servants idle somewhere maybe they'd like a go at this :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭Ludo


    Why do people always come on here giving out about how people are ripping off the social welfare and taking money from our pockets. They all seem to know loads of people who are claiming dole or other benefits which they are not entitled to. Have any of the people who complain about it actually done anything about it???

    Here a link for those people:

    http://www.welfare.ie/EN/ContactUs/Pages/reportfraud.aspx

    Quit whinging unless you are prepared to take action.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 704 ✭✭✭Lobelia Overhill


    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it your PRSI that pays for Social Welfare...?

    I thought tax was for summat else

    :confused:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 271 ✭✭scorpioishere


    Ludo wrote: »
    Why do people always come on here giving out about how people are ripping off the social welfare and taking money from our pockets. They all seem to know loads of people who are claiming dole or other benefits which they are not entitled to. Have any of the people who complain about it actually done anything about it???

    Here a link for those people:

    http://www.welfare.ie/EN/ContactUs/Pages/reportfraud.aspx

    Quit whinging unless you are prepared to take action.
    By the way i did report three cases to the social department about three people i know and who is geting disability benefit on false pretences and one claiming dole while working. On investigation they no longer receive it and am so happy they act so quickly. And just to let you know that these people are one friend of mine and two of them are my mother's neighbours.
    I am still looking for more, dnt worry i will get their ass kicked.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 38 gamblor1975


    By the way i did report three cases to the social department about three people i know and who is geting disability benefit on false pretences and one claiming dole while working. On investigation they no longer receive it and am so happy they act so quickly. And just to let you know that these people are one friend of mine and two of them are my mother's neighbours.
    I am still looking for more, dnt worry i will get their ass kicked.


    I think that with the state the country is in financially, we cannot afford as a people to give money away to those who do not deserve it. They are taking money directly from those who need it most.

    The dept. of SW should introduce an incentive scheme for people to report scammers. Start with a short amnesty to allow people to sign off if they are scamming but apply the full rigour of the law to those found out after the amnesty.

    Offer people say 10% of the saving they make for the state for a year. People have no appetite anymore for this kind of behavior.

    That should get some people off their collective arses to start reporting. I mean we all know someone...right?

    Gamblor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 30 rugbynut


    I believe the correct way to tackle this is have a Zero Tolerance approach. It's simple, you issue an amnesty to everyone - Stop Claiming Falsely Or Else. Give 6 months, then go after the false claims with a vengence. Anyone after that who are caught should have all social welfare payments cut off. Draconian? Yes. But these are hard times. I have no time for criminals because that is what these people are- they are stealing, plain and simple.
    PCPhoto wrote: »
    while I agree that the government should investigate each and every claimant to verify authenticity - thats not possible.

    IMO what they need to do is take each area and investigate: ie. disability benefit, how do people use/abuse this area of social welfare - how can we stop them.

    Same goes for other state benefits ? Childrens allowance/single parent allowances, rent allowance, disability benefit etc etc.

    it could take a number of years but given time and effort the entire system could be (almost) flawless.

    best of my knowledge disability benefit is the biggest one that is abused - people claim they are injured and cant work -

    what do you do when they are caught ?

    just tell them politely to stop:rolleyes::rolleyes: (Pretty please !! ) or prosecute them through the courts for benefit fraud (Which of course we pay for - :eek:FREE LEGAL AID :eek::confused:).... lets face it we cant win and should elect the scammers to political positions - they know the system better and its loopholes.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Heineken Helen


    aare wrote: »
    That bad? Maybe you could get disability for that so?

    She really could dance...SO well I STILL hate her for it...even before we mention the waist length auburn curls...

    People are scared, some of them feel better letting off steam, telling themselves they know where the bogeyman lives and how to solve this...

    I just have my heart in my mouth in case they really pick up burning brands and go on a witchhunt...

    Because, when they do whoever they are *after*, they'll have to take me first...and I am a mortal coward really...I just don't have what it takes to stand by and watch.

    There are good people who aren't losing the run of themselves though...take a look at what Hagar has been up to, it'll do your heart good. :D

    Yeh I know they're scared but they're resorting to blaming everyone else but themselves... just cos they're lucky enough to have a job :o When I was still in my job I wasn't blaming anyone but I DID think 'well I'LL get another job no problem if I get laid off':rolleyes: ehhh... right!

    So first it was people on the dole, now it's people with disabilities and everyone's a certified doctor and can tell who's really sick and who's not. Some days are better than others with my back and I'm lucky that my experience is just in general admin cos I CAN do that... just have to get up and walk around every now and then. But if I were doing any physical work in my job, I probably WOULD have had to give up work and go on disability.

    Sweet thread... I needed that thanks. All the hating and assumptions is getting me down.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Heineken Helen


    rugbynut wrote: »
    Alright, alright. I specifically stated at the outset that I didn't have a problem with people who are entitled to social welfare and I don't. It's the people that are not entitled to it and are claiming it that I want exposed. I've been paying taxes for 30 years and I don't want my funds going to people who don't deserve it-that's all I'm saying. And the government have a duty to ensure that my tax is put to go use. So investigate where it's going and make sure it goes to the right people-surely every right thinking citizen shouldn't have a problem with this??

    Oh no, I agree... but you listed everyone in your neighbourhood who's claiming something... and you seem to think they're ALL scamming? Just seems a bit odd, that's all!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Heineken Helen


    Me too i don't have any problem with anybody claiming social welfare if they really deserve it. But unfortunately like you i know so many people who claim social welfare and they doesn't deserve it at all. I know lots of people who works 38/40 hours a week and got social welfare too. I know also lots of people pretending to have disability, pretending they have pain, they can't move their hands, their elbow, etc etc and then got disability benefit and the same people you will see yapping at the corner of the road with others and also carrying heavy boxes od cans of beers.

    Also on FM104 show one day there was a talk about social welfare and this guy rang and said he's been getting social welfare for 7 years while he is still working. he said he used the money to travel, to pay women for sex, to go on holidays 6/8 times a year.

    Our tax money is going to these dirty ****ers who doesn't deserve social welfare at all. its time the government investigate each individual. It's because of them the country is ****ed today.:mad:

    My local shop sells 24 cans of carlsberg for £10 :) just saying! :rolleyes:

    You believe everyone who rings up FM104? :rolleyes:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Heineken Helen


    Its not stupid but its a way to tell the authority who deserves the social welfare and who doesn't. If you don't deserve it why you should get it. I dnt want to pay tax for lazy ****ers who pretends that they can't work because of some fake disability. If you can't work because of your limp, you can't dance either.

    Excuse me???? Who the hell are you to tell ME how my disability affects me! Dancing is exercise... you're supposed to get plenty of exercise with a bad back... although I'm sure you know that considering you're a certified doctor.

    Anyway, I'm gonna take a leaf out of your book and report you :mad: this is just ridiculous.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭shelly.m


    im a single mum on lone parents with two small boys , if i gave up my benefits and went back to work the cost of fulltime care and rent would leave me with nothin to feed my kids wit.i do agree that people pulling a scam are wrong but what difference does it make to other people? what good is you reporting these people? would u feel better or have a better way of life yourself? NO you wouldnt . i agree the social should have measures in place to deal with fraud but i think nosey people should just mind their own buisness and let the people paid to deal with fraud do their job!
    this country is the way it is now because of the stupid ****ers running it or should i say trying to run it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,015 ✭✭✭Ludo


    shelly.m wrote: »
    i do agree that people pulling a scam are wrong but what difference does it make to other people? what good is you reporting these people? would u feel better or have a better way of life yourself? NO you wouldnt . i agree the social should have measures in place to deal with fraud but i think nosey people should just mind their own buisness and let the people paid to deal with fraud do their job!

    What??? The government is running out of money with all its outgoings. My tax is contributing to dole payments for people which is fair enough. But if I know someone who is drawing down dole when they are actually working or committing a fraud in some other way I will report them as in essence they are taking MY money which I have contributed to the state which could be used for things like education and healthcare.

    So yes we ALL would have a better way of life if dole fraud was eliminated (other than those scamming it who should find their way of life severly curtailed).

    If you saw someone committing a murder or an assault would you ignore it and mind your own business as it has no direct impact on you or other people???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭shelly.m


    Ludo wrote: »
    What??? The government is running out of money with all its outgoings. My tax is contributing to dole payments for people which is fair enough. But if I know someone who is drawing down dole when they are actually working or committing a fraud in some other way I will report them as in essence they are taking MY money which I have contributed to the state which could be used for things like education and healthcare.

    So yes we ALL would have a better way of life if dole fraud was eliminated (other than those scamming it who should find their way of life severly curtailed).

    If you saw someone committing a murder or an assault would you ignore it and mind your own business as it has no direct impact on you or other people???
    yes i agree with some of what you are saying and your right but the point i was trying to make was it wont make your taxes any less , maybe our government should start cutting back their personal expenses and travel expenses too or do we see them taking a pay cut?? NO we dont thats all im trying to say


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 796 ✭✭✭rasper


    These types of threads tend to stereotype a lot of unfortunate people who are practically on the breadline, if you know of fraud going on then report


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭aare


    Offer people say 10% of the saving they make for the state for a year.

    Oh yeah...why not...create employment by reinstating "Witchfinder General" as a career...BRILLIANT!!

    For heavens sake, for every fraudulant claim there are at least two attempts to use the "report fraud" system vexatiously as a tool for malice already...but if you pay 'em they'll get even MORE plentiful and convincing...
    By the way i did report three cases to the social department about three people i know and who is geting disability benefit on false pretences and one claiming dole while working. On investigation they no longer receive it and am so happy they act so quickly. And just to let you know that these people are one friend of mine and two of them are my mother's neighbours.
    I am still looking for more, dnt worry i will get their ass kicked.

    Whatever about your mother's neighbours (if you cannot choose your own, you certainly won't be able to choose hers) pardon me if I find anyone having an attitude like that to those they choose as "friends" absolutely chilling, whichever way I look at it...last time I checked we are supposed to care about and support our chosen friends, not strive diligently to "get their arses kicked".
    rugbynut wrote: »
    I believe the correct way to tackle this is have a Zero Tolerance approach. It's simple, you issue an amnesty to everyone - Stop Claiming Falsely Or Else. Give 6 months, then go after the false claims with a vengence. Anyone after that who are caught should have all social welfare payments cut off. Draconian? Yes. But these are hard times. I have no time for criminals because that is what these people are- they are stealing, plain and simple.

    That could work really, REALLY well, and has pretty much been done before...but not at a time like this, when people who were working, or able to, could have worked, but not now when nobody has a hope of getting work.

    You cannot sentence people, and their families, to starvation, homelessness and destitution for the sake of minor fraud...that would be insane.

    Incidentally, everybody does realise that Disability is geared towards allowing disabled people to work as much as they are able to, for reduced benefit, without losing their entitlement altogether?

    Everybody does also realise that some disabilities are not obvious to the untrained naked eye?

    And finally, everybody does realise that, even in the height of the Celtic Tiger, there were a lot of people on disability (as well as other long term benefits) who wanted to, and could have been working for years if, relatively cheap, and simple, appropriate supports had been provided, but no matter how they pleaded for those supports, they never were provided, so that they never had a chance.

    Just so you know...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 65 ✭✭shelly.m


    rasper wrote: »
    These types of threads tend to stereotype a lot of unfortunate people who are practically on the breadline, if you know of fraud going on then report
    ya i agree with you but i dont see why some people have to get so angry and ignorant just because they have never known what it is like to not know where your next meal or next weeks rent is comin from.I didnt choose to be a single parent myself and my partner just didnt work out ,


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