New Mod

Ok guys,

So I've got exams coming up and won't be online much. Rather than leave dunk looking after the forum on his own, we have added a new mod, orestes, to help keep an eye on the place. He has experience modding the pro wrestling, philosophy and dark and devious forums, so he knows a thing or two about modding He will be looking after this forum, along with myself and dunkamania, to make sure no rules are broken for the next while.

So please welcome along the newest MMA mod, orestes.

mcdermott

Welcome along

Oss

Pride Fighter

As long as he does not murder Cleitemnestra we should be ok;)

Welcome

rovert

*Hides*

mickoo

Best of luck mate, since the move over from martial arts this place is basically the pro wrestling forum anyway and most of the posters that never posted on the martial arts forum and do here are from the Pro wrestling forum, might aswell get them in as mods as they know who there dealing with.

Fozzy

Good luck

mickoo wrote: »

Best of luck mate, since the move over from martial arts this place is basically the pro wrestling forum anyway and most of the posters that never posted on the martial arts forum and do here are from the Pro wrestling forum, might aswell get them in as mods as they know who there dealing with.

As someone who posted regularly on the forum pre-split and who posts regularly on the pro wrestling forum I can say that that's not close to being true. Most of the new posters aren't people who ever posted on the pro wrestling forum. And I was a pro wrestling mod for longer than orestes :pac:

ShawnRaven

Being primarily a lurker and occasional poster here, I just to add to Fozzy's point here:
When the MMA forum opened, PW lost a few posters after that, due to either 1) they were interested in both at one time and lost interest in PW over that period of time.

Or 2) PW never had any problems allowing discussion of MMA, and many probably felt more comfortable posting about it there than the SD&MA. So essentially during that time it was their home.

But we lost a handful of posters, but if you've been to PW in the last two years, save for a few months at the end of last year and earlier this year, it's always been fairly active, and MMA, although it was discussed, it wasn't discussed in depth. The MMA threads from there are still viewable through the search option too.

So Fozzy definitely has hit the nail on the head here. Some of the people came over from the PW, but to say most came over from PW is somewhat of an exaggeration, mickoo.

Anyway, now that's off my chest. Good luck orestes, you never told me you were going for this place when you left PW!

dunkamania

Welcome Orestes

orestes

Cheers for the welcome folks, I'm happy to be on board to help out

rovert

The reason I never posted about MMA on SD&MA is that it was primarily restricted to one thread which limited things. How I found about this place was that one of the mods said talk about MMA was no longer encouraged on the PW forum and direct all of us here.

I think some people here need to move on here and accept that there is a longstanding relationship between Pro Wrestling and MMA. It is a matter of historical fact. The association doesn’t hurt it all and actual fact it has been greatly beneficial in it's history and even before it was called MMA.

I wish orestes well in his modship and hope to see him post more on here too.

bjj-fighter

Welcome Orestes.Any background in MMA or Martial arts?

orestes

bjj-fighter wrote: »

Welcome Orestes.Any background in MMA or Martial arts?

None yet, but I'm planning on taking up bjj in the very near future

Wait, I did karate for about a month when I was 8, does that count?

Diabhal Beag

Good luck Orestes. I agree with Rovert too :eek:

rovert

orestes wrote: »

Wait, I did karate for about a month when I was 8, does that count?

Do you watch it if so how long have you?

Clive

Welcome Orestes.

A prominent figure in the Irish MMA scene said of this forum:

Going there would make you hate MMA

Hopefully you can change things for the better

rovert

Clive wrote: »

Hopefully you can change things for the better

Yeah stamp out that type of elitism and make it more like a community. :pac:

arybvtcw0eolkf

orestes wrote: »

None yet, but I'm planning on taking up bjj in the very near future

Wait, I did karate for about a month when I was 8, does that count?

No.

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Killme00

Go fck yourself San Diego

I mean welcome and good luck...you're goona need it when Lesnar takes on Mir

orestes

Mairt wrote: »

No.

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Drat

Killme00 wrote: »

Go fck yourself San Diego

I mean welcome and good luck...you're goona need it when Lesnar takes on Mir

I think Mir is gonna need wishes of luck more than I am for that one tbh :pac:

Clive

rovert wrote: »

Yeah stamp out that type of elitism and make it more like a community. :pac:

Q.E.D.

cowzerp

rovert wrote: »

Yeah stamp out that type of elitism and make it more like a community. :pac:

I dont think thats what clive was getting at, this is more like the pro wrestling forum than an MMA forum, Just because some people are not mad about the direction this forum goes does not make them elitist.

rovert

cowzerp then that leads me on two seperate questions:

What should be the direction of the MMA forum in these people's and your own opinions? A message board is what you make of it.

Why do some people have to label posters "Pro Wresling posters" and use that as a borderline insult. If that is elitist then I don’t know what is. Maybe I’m being thick skinned here but this issue comes up time and time again. I don’t think this happens with say "Boxing posters." Can’t we all just be posters here?

arybvtcw0eolkf

cowzerp wrote: »

I dont think thats what clive was getting at, this is more like the pro wrestling forum than an MMA forum, Just because some people are not mad about the direction this forum goes does not make them elitist.

I was thinking the same way, and I want to make this clear that this is nothing personal against the new Mod, but this forum (as an MMA community) is largely a joke now.

I'm not an MMA practitioner, but as an active and competitive Judoka I still like to feel at least part of the Martial Arts community. But when I visit this forum lately its like visiting a sub-forum of the Pro-Wrestling forum, for god sake I've even got to read through posts comparing MMA to Pro-Wrestling. That to me is verging on a joke to MMA practitioners.

Only makes me thankful that someone had the foresight to split it from the SD&MA forum.

But to the new Mod, sincerely I hope it works out. From what I read you did a fine job getting rid of/sorting out some muppets from the Pro-Wrestling forum when you were Mod there.

rovert

Mairt wrote: »

I'm not an MMA practitioner, but as an active and competitive Judoka I still like to feel at least part of the Martial Arts community. But when I visit this forum lately its like visiting a sub-forum of the Pro-Wrestling forum, for god sake I've even got to read through posts comparing MMA to Pro-Wrestling. That to me is verging on a joke to MMA practitioners.

Wait hold on you are talking about ONE thread comparing the two discussing historical fact as well as other observations:

http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055516015

If you think it is a joke to MMA practitioners you need to read up a bit more about the sport of MMA and the discipline that you practice. Sorry but it is true.

mirwillbeback

orestes wrote: »

I think Mir is gonna need wishes of luck more than I am for that one tbh :pac:

Let's not get off on the wrong foot matey

Tim_Murphy

I don't get what members of the 'MMA community' are p^ssing and moaning about to be honest. Maybe they don't like regular non-training people discussing 'their' sport?

But when I visit this forum lately its like visiting a sub-forum of the Pro-Wrestling forum, for god sake I've even got to read through posts comparing MMA to Pro-Wrestling.

In fairness there was one or two threads on this subject that I saw (maybe I missed all the rest of them? ). I think the historical influence of pro-wrestling on MMA is quite interesting, if you didn't that's fair enough, just don't read the threads.

Oh, and welcome to the new mod!

rovert

There is never that much tension on here but an issue came to ahead and I thought I would chime in. Im pretty much done talking about it Ive said my piece.

cowzerp

rovert wrote: »

cowzerp then that leads me on two seperate questions:

What should be the direction of the MMA forum in these people's and your own opinions? A message board is what you make of it.

The MMA Forum is full of people who dont train and talk about MMA like as if its the same as pro wrestling-the influence of jap mma is nothing to do with American MMA British or Irish MMA, which are the main talking points on this forum..

You dont have to be a fighter to be a fan but sometimes the way MMA is talked about on here is just a joke, i'd prefer if it was talked about as fighting rather than "Entertainment" which it tends to be on here..

The pro wrestling influence is heavy on here and a big turn off to people who just like skillfull fighting, that i have no doubt.

Tim_Murphy

cowzerp wrote: »

The MMA Forum is full of people who dont train and talk about MMA like as if its the same as pro wrestling-the influence of jap mma is nothing to do with American MMA British or Irish MMA, which are the main talking points on this forum..

So they talk about it like it's some sort of sport they watch on TV for their entertainment... right.

cowzerp wrote: »

You dont have to be a fighter to be a fan but sometimes the way MMA is talked about on here is just a joke, i'd prefer if it was talked about as fighting rather than "Entertainment" which it tends to be on here..

All professional sports are ultimately about entertainment. That's why people sit down and watch MMA on the TV at the end of the day.

I'd have zero interest in discussing what happened in some UFC that was on at the weekend, I probably wouldn't even know who was fighting unless it was a big name fight but other people do like doing that, and I fail to see what the problem is with that.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Tim_Murphy wrote: »

So they talk about it like it's some sort of sport they watch on TV for their entertainment... right.

All professional sports are ultimately about entertainment. That's why people sit down and watch MMA on the TV at the end of the day.

I'd have zero interest in discussing what happened in some UFC that was on at the weekend, I probably wouldn't even know who was fighting unless it was a big name fight but other people do like doing that, and I fail to see what the problem is with that.

I don't think anyone (at least not me or Cowzer) has a problem with people taking enjoyment from the UFC etc, and if I'm tbh I haven't a clue about the UFC either (I went to the show at the O2 only because my son wanted to see it).

But what I have a problem with is that people (MMA practitioners mostly from the old SD&MA forum) had hoped that splitting the forum like it is now would promote and advance MMA in Ireland as well as discuss various shows.

But then we've the one or two Walter Mitty charactors here who'd rather we seen the UFC almost as an extention of pro-wrestling.

And I could care less about Brock or another former pro-wrestling clown making the cross over to MMA (UFC mostly I guess) but I doubt there's ONE fighter in Ireland who ever looked at the WWE circus and made the leap into MMA here.

In short, I don't think this forum does anything to promote MMA in this country, it could have been a fantastic Irish MMA discussion forum - but IMO and other's I speak with its failed.

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rovert

cowzerp wrote: »

The MMA Forum is full of people who dont train and talk about MMA like as if its the same as pro wrestling-the influence of jap mma is nothing to do with American MMA British or Irish MMA, which are the main talking points on this forum..

You don’t have to be a fighter to be a fan but sometimes the way MMA is talked about on here is just a joke, i'd prefer if it was talked about as fighting rather than "Entertainment" which it tends to be on here..

The pro wrestling influence is heavy on here and a big turn off to people who just like skillfull fighting, that i have no doubt.

That’s more of your own personal preference again it is a message board it is what you make of it. Once again I prefer if this place was a community where divergent opinions can be discussed and tolerated. Instead of people selectively deciding what can and can’t be talked about by others just because it doesn’t jive with them.

UFC is NOT a pure sport it never has been so of course there will discussion on the entertainment aspects of fights. UFC promote their fights not primarily on fight quality but on hype.

Again the discussion of Pro Wrestling has been extremely limited relative to the amount of threads in this forum and rarely if ever has it been completely off topic. The only which was a borderline thread was a recent one about Bobby Lashley discussing his lack of star power and personality. But given the fact he was/is a novice in the sport of MMA. I thought input from people who watched him on a weekly basis could give a fair assessment of both and it was pertinent.

orestes

Ok, I feel like I should probably point out a couple of things at this point that might not have been made explicit already.

I'm not mod here for the long term, I'm here to help out for a little while cos Neil is busy and I have modding experience in a variety of forums. Yes, one of them was pro wrestling, but I also modded the nocturnal forum and stand up comedy at one stage, so please try not to focus on that too much folks or read too much into it cos it really is a null point.

I'm not here to lead or shape this community in any way, I am here to keep things nice and tidy for a while, that's pretty much it.

Hope that clears things up for people a bit.

Tim_Murphy

Mairt wrote: »

But what I have a problem with is that people (MMA practitioners mostly from the old SD&MA forum) had hoped that splitting the forum like it is now would promote and advance MMA in Ireland as well as discuss various shows.

There's nothing to stop anybody doing this if they want.

Mairt wrote: »

But then we've the one or two Walter Mitty charactors here who'd rather we seen the UFC almost as an extention of pro-wrestling.

I'm not really following you here to be honest, can you give an a few examples of this?

Mairt wrote: »

And I could care less about Brock or another former pro-wrestling clown making the cross over to MMA (UFC mostly I guess) but...

Well the guy is the UFC's champion so I don't know if clown would be the right word.

Mairt wrote: »

In short, I don't think this forum does anything to promote MMA in this country, it could have been a fantastic Irish MMA discussion forum - but IMO and other's I speak with its failed.

If it has then I fail to see how this is the fault of the casual UFC fans who post here. The fighttalk forum is used by Irish MMA heads only and look at how busy that is. mmaireland.com used to have a forum, again it was used by Irish MMA people only and it died a dead.

Fozzy

I think that a non-issue is being made into an issue here. How can you just gloss over any pro wrestling involvement in MMA when just last week one of the best MMA shows of the year (DREAM 8) was headlined by two mediocre fighters (Minowa and Shibata) simply because they were pro wrestling stars? I'm not saying that it should be the main talking point, and it never has been apart from one thread, but some people seem to just want to ignore influences like that

There does seem to be a level of elitism from a few posters towards MMA fans who don't train in it. You've got to accept that the vast majority of MMA fans watch it for the simple entertainment, not the minute technical details

I'm just wondering how the forum could be a great place for Irish MMA discussion? Is there something preventing this?

Fromvert

If im not mistaking this forum does promote the local MMA does it not? If it doesnt do so to your satisfaction do something about it. Start threads or post about it.
MMA is entertainment. It is also fighting.
Why does somebody watch a fight whether they be a practioneer of MMA or not? To be entertained and appreciate the sport.

Is the boxing/soccer etc forums only full of posters who partake in that sport or can people who dont have a valid opinion on the sport? Of course they can.

Its simple people if you dont like the topic being discussed dont read it. But dont go in and start bitching and moaning about what is being discussed.
If you would like something to be discussed, lets say local MMA, post up something you want to discuss.
Easy, no?

muckwarrior

Mairt wrote: »

But what I have a problem with is that people (MMA practitioners mostly from the old SD&MA forum) had hoped that splitting the forum like it is now would promote and advance MMA in Ireland as well as discuss various shows.
...
In short, I don't think this forum does anything to promote MMA in this country, it could have been a fantastic Irish MMA discussion forum - but IMO and other's I speak with its failed.

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This is a mainstream site, so in general there's a mainstream POV of MMA in this forum now. There are other forums like ringoftruth where users are predominantly involved in the domestic scene, but I don't think you can realistically expect the same from here.

IMHO the balance in discussion between mainstream (UFC, Ultimate fighter etc.) MMA and domestic MMA is pretty good and I for one have no problems with the content or the posters.

Tim_Murphy

This is a mainstream site, so in general there's a mainstream POV of MMA in this forum now. There are other forums like ringoftruth where users are predominantly involved in the domestic scene, but I don't think you can realistically expect the same from here.

Forgotten about RoT. That's hardly the busiest forum either last time I checked.

There used be a time when there was loads of discussion after a Irish show, now there's hardly any. Don't know why, but I'm pretty sure it's not the fault of Joe Average UFC Fan.

orestes

I'm locking this thread.

If you wish to discuss the nature of this forum please feel free to start a feedback thread, this thread is not the place for this discussion.

Thank you for the welcome folks

FFS.


Mairt, how exactly can you complain that: "In short, I don't think this forum does anything to promote MMA in this country, it could have been a fantastic Irish MMA discussion forum - but IMO and other's I speak with its failed."

I'm sorry man, you're a good contributor to this site, you seem like a decent bloke, and from what I've heard, you are, but c'mon. Throw us a bit of a bone here.


I logged in just now, and on the first page alone there are 9 threads which are in various shapes or forms, related to the Irish MMA scene. I train with a lot of lads who are actively involved in the Irish MMA scene and there are 2 stickies in this forum to aid posters in promoting the Irish scene. I have also gone out of my way with the Admins (who don't like people advertising clothing etc on the forum) to make sure that we are still allowed to promote seminars and events on the forum. Now, if you feel more could be done I am more than open to suggestion as I am all for using this forum as a vehicle to help the Irish scene. So throw me a PM if you have any ideas, I have no problem with that. The posters make the forum, if people don't contribute to the discussions on the Irish scene then what else exactly can we do?

The forum is open to whoever wants to use it. If those involved in the Irish MMA scene wish to use it for that then please continue to do so. What exactly do you want us to do? Like I said, events calendars, active roster lists, promotion of events and seminars. All of these things can be found on this forum. As far as I'm concerned, we've done everything in our power to try and accommodate the Irish scene. Maybe we could do some of these things differently (PM myself or dunkamania with suggestions, like I said, very open to ideas) but we are trying at least. Or is it just that there are many armchair MMA fans posting in here that annoys you?

How would this forum look if we amended the charter to say that "you must train and compete in MMA to post here". I'm fairly sure the admins would shut the forum down if we became that elitist. And to be fair, I don't want this forum to become some form of arsehole corner where people are too intimidated to post because every person in the forum questions their credentials. I'm fairly sure most posters don't wish to be elitist. Many many people post in the soccer forum, most don't play I'd bet, and yet "who do you play for, OMG what you don't play? Then GTFO" doesn't become the theme of every thread over there. Yea it'd be great if everyone who posted in here knew the technical intricacies of MMA (a lot do to be fair) but that is just unrealistic to expect. The sport is growing and as it does, more and more casual fans will arrive. To be honest, I think the exposure is great. MMA now feels much more like a "real" sport than it did 5-10 years ago.

Now don't get me wrong, the pro wrestling and MMA talk annoys me, for the simple reason that pro wresting is fake and MMA is a real sport where the two participants actually compete to find a conclusion as opposed to pre arrange their ending and work under a plan to entertain a crowd. What they have in common is how they are promoted. Pro wrestling, in my eyes, is not a sport, it is theatre/entertainment, while MMA is a competitive sport. So the promotion of it is where the comparison ends. Unfortunately for you and I, the UFC chose to target the same niches that the WWE appeals to, so we have to deal with many a pro wrestling fan also being a casual UFC/MMA (mainly UFC) fan. That's not a dig at pro wrestling btw (it is fake), it's an explanation of what I perceive the differences to be.


As regards orestes, again Mairt, I put the notice up in the moderators forum (which you have access to) that I needed an experienced mod to look help dunkamania after the forum while I'm away as I'm sure he doesn't want to be online 24-7 alone dealing with the forum. You could have volunteered if you wanted to? Any mods could have volunteered.....

Orestes was good enough to volunteer and hasn't come in under any pretenses of being an expert, and why should he. Many mods on this site mod forums of topics that don't interest them. Their job is to make sure the rules are followed and no porn/advertising/potentially libelous content is posted, they have no obligation to post or contribute to the forum. So it would be nice if people at least showed him a little respect. He's helping the forum out by stepping in to help ensure that no trolling idiots ruin the forum. I'm sure this thread is giving a great impression of this forum and the posters. :mad:


/rant.