Richer Sounds needs a new website!

Richersounds.ie: John

Boardies,

Hi it's John McDonald from Richer Sounds - we are TV and Hi-fi retailers in Belfast who ship hi-fi products all across Ireland every day, and we are very Boardie friendly.

We set up our website www.richersounds.ie with a grant from Eamon DeValera (only joking but it really does look that old!) and now the time has come to change.

We have some ideas of how we would like it to look, what we want it to do and as ever, we have no money! (well very little). We need the site to be easy to load, friendly and commerce driven - unfortunately we can only work with established and experienced web developers as we need this thing to work securely from day one and into the future.

Is this something that some of you Boardies can assist us with? If so could you please email me to johnmc@richersounds.ie with a brief outline of what you could do for us and if posssible a brief outline of who/what/where you are at and what other sites you have been involved with.

If I have posted this in the wrong place - apologies and mods, please feel free to move me around at will!

Thanks for the time,

ATB,

John Mc

Rakeline

johnmc wrote: »

Boardies,

Hi it's John McDonald from Richer Sounds - we are TV and Hi-fi retailers in Belfast who ship hi-fi products all across Ireland every day, and we are very Boardie friendly.

We set up our website www.richersounds.ie with a grant from Eamon DeValera (only joking but it really does look that old!) and now the time has come to change.

We have some ideas of how we would like it to look, what we want it to do and as ever, we have no money! (well very little). We need the site to be easy to load, friendly and commerce driven - unfortunately we can only work with established and experienced web developers as we need this thing to work securely from day one and into the future.

Is this something that some of you Boardies can assist us with? If so could you please email me to johnmc@richersounds.ie with a brief outline of what you could do for us and if posssible a brief outline of who/what/where you are at and what other sites you have been involved with.

If I have posted this in the wrong place - apologies and mods, please feel free to move me around at will!

Thanks for the time,

ATB,

John Mc

You could try getafreelancer.com you can get some cheap work done by many people there.

Owen

I'm sure if you bartered some stock for web dev services John, you could end up with a very nice site indeed. To do it professionally, you would need to have someone who could regularly upload newsletters, stock, etc. It's no small ask.

I run a few websites, and if I had the time, I'd do it for you - but it's definitely something that while you can do it inexpensively, you shouldn't do it cheaply.

Liam Byrne

johnmc wrote: »

We have some ideas of how we would like it to look, what we want it to do and as ever, we have no money! (well very little). We need the site to be easy to load, friendly and commerce driven - unfortunately we can only work with established and experienced web developers as we need this thing to work securely from day one and into the future.

With the greatest of respect, John, that's a bit of an insult.

If I called in to richersounds and declared "I want a great home cinema and TV surround sound system but I have no money" then I reckon I could guess what your response would be ?

Professional web designers in this country are - with the odd exception of some chancers throwing together pointless templated Flash sites for €200 - undervalued and disrespected, and saying that you can only work with experienced guys while saying you've no budget is a joke.

Yes, there's probably some scope for a barter with someone, but I had a quick look at your existing site and while yes, it needs a makeover, it appears to be a full eCommerce catalogue, and with pricing, categories, account management, special offers, etc - you're EASILY looking at a (good) few grand to do the job right.

heggie

The neck of some people. absolute joke. As a web designer myself, you've just lost a customer from this.

Richersounds.ie: John

Liam,

apologies I did not mean to insult anyone - as you can see from my post I did put a smiley face directly behind the 'we have no money' and immediately say 'well very little' - I apologise again to all web developers out there - it was intended to be in jest and, yes we are a commercial operation and what we are looking for is good value - we did not suggest barter.

Once again apologies to any sensitive developers out there - it was meant in good humour.

ATB,

John Mc

Liam Byrne wrote: »

With the greatest of respect, John, that's a bit of an insult.

If I called in to richersounds and declared "I want a great home cinema and TV surround sound system but I have no money" then I reckon I could guess what your response would be ?

Professional web designers in this country are - with the odd exception of some chancers throwing together pointless templated Flash sites for €200 - undervalued and disrespected, and saying that you can only work with experienced guys while saying you've no budget is a joke.

Yes, there's probably some scope for a barter with someone, but I had a quick look at your existing site and while yes, it needs a makeover, it appears to be a full eCommerce catalogue, and with pricing, categories, account management, special offers, etc - you're EASILY looking at a (good) few grand to do the job right.

heggie

johnmc wrote: »

Once again apologies to any sensitive developers out there - it was meant in good humour.

Oh, a smiley, ah well then. Who needs wages, food on the table, money for rent when there's a smiley.

mneylon

As far as I know you can't advertise for vendors here, so you'll probably find the thread being locked and you being pointed at http://adverts.ie

In any case...

If you want a professionally designed site you will have to be prepared to pay for it.

Sure, you could probably find some kid operating out of his bedroom who might make all sorts of crazy promises, but do you really want that?

Places you could advertise:

http://adverts.ie (no idea how many designers / developers check it)
http://creativeireland.com
http://technicaljobs.ie (it gets pulled into http://iwf.ie as well from there)

forbairt

blacknight wrote: »

Sure, you could probably find some kid operating out of his bedroom who might make all sorts of crazy promises, but do you really want that?

Thats why I moved into offices last month :P

Richersounds.ie: John

Guys,

Again apologies - I meant the 'we have no money as a joke' which is why I followed it by a smiley - I am not completely mad and I did not expect to get a fully developed Ecommerce site free of charge! We are a Commercial operation and operate as such so perhaps I should not have been glib - the comment was intended in good humour.

Apologies to the 3 people who have replied to me saying they are insulted - I posted here only because Boardies have been so good for our business and I wanted to spread the business around by offering the opportunity to develop a new site for us to a fellow Boardie and it was intended on a Commercial basis.

After this reaction I will contact a mod and ask them to close the thread - I'm sorry I ever started it now!:o

Apologies again,

John Mc

heggie

I'm not so sure, in the corresponance you request 'brief outline of what you could do for us' etc and do not once mention estimates or cost. Maybe you realise a thread on a busy Irish forum saying your company hasn't enough money to pay for a website was a mistake now. I'd love to believe you, but as designers we are seeing this crap every day with 'the recession' as an excuse. Apoligies If i'm wrong, and you were genuinely joking, but I'm afraid I doubt it.

KerranJast

Hi John,

We'd be interested in talking to you about your site. Our own site tricycle.ie has our portfolio of work. We specialise in great looking websites with powerful backend tools that are easy to use for your customers. Some of our recent work is at ProjectBlogger.ie, FixIreland.com, CleanCash.com, Leap.ie, UL CSIS and 3BV.org. My colleague is going to email you with more details.

Aodh.

Liam Byrne

Apology accepted. I didn't mean to come across all high-and-mighty but there is an increasing viewpoint that a website can be thrown together by almost anyone.

A decent one certainly can't.

So the joke/smiley aside - you'd really need to give an outline of what "very little" budget means; I wouldn't do it here, though, because as pointed out above there's a separate adverts.ie for that.

But bottom line I'd guess you'd be looking at between €4K & 10K, depending on requirements. I'd post links to our portfolio and name-drop a few clients, but I think that's against board rules.

Richersounds.ie: John

Guys,

how many times can I apologise - there was no offence intended - surely you can see that at this stage?

I have PM'd a Mod already asking for the thread to be removed.

Apologies again for the offence and if you look at our own feedback on our boards commercial forum hopefully you will realise that we are serious people, we offer good service and I was just trying to return the favour and give some of the excellent business that boardies have give us over the last year back!

John Mc

heggie wrote: »

I'm not so sure, in the corresponance you request 'brief outline of what you could do for us' etc and do not once mention estimates or cost. Maybe you realise a thread on a busy Irish forum saying your company hasn't enough money to pay for a website was a mistake now. I'd love to believe you, but as designers we are seeing this crap every day with 'the recession' as an excuse. Apoligies If i'm wrong, and you were genuinely joking, but I'm afraid I doubt it.

jazzy_jeff

ned78 wrote: »

I'm sure if you bartered some stock for web dev services John, you could end up with a very nice site indeed.

Don't underestimate this, from the small bit of market research that i've done it seems that people are more willing to engage in barter activities. If you don't find anything here, on adverts, or any of the other sites listed head on over to Swop-o-nomics for a look. There's a few web designers already signed up.

MiCr0

i think this has gone as far as it needs to go.
Johnmc seems to have appologised enough, so i think this can be closed.

Regards,
MiCr0