Protesting Ciggy increases

Denerick

Everyone else gets to protest, why don't we smokers come out in droves? They're taxing our addiction to utter absurdity. I took up tobacco rolling last year to counter the cost, I'd reccomend all do that. But still, I don't even know how much its gone up by because there seems to be some conflicting information, but price increase after price increase all we do is moan rather than do anything. Shouldn't we do something???

Robbo

Denerick wrote: »

Shouldn't we do something???

Be less callow and give up?

destroyer

Go on strike and refuse to smoke.

Denerick

After watching some self righteous harpee on TV3 talking about how little the price increase was... Honestly, people like that should be strung up. Now I'm so agitated I'm dying for a smoke.

Blisterman

Grow your own tobacco.

wylo

Denerick wrote: »

Everyone else gets to protest, why don't we smokers come out in droves? They're taxing our addiction to utter absurdity. I took up tobacco rolling last year to counter the cost, I'd reccomend all do that. But still, I don't even know how much its gone up by because there seems to be some conflicting information, but price increase after price increase all we do is moan rather than do anything. Shouldn't we do something???

At the end of the day, as a smoker myself, you simply cant go and protest about something that
A: is woeful for your mental or physical health
B: brings money to the country , where people doing the "right" thing(not smoking) dont have to pay.

You can thank your lucky stars for the North, otherwise we'd be paying alot more.

On saying all that a funny image of 10,000 people walking down the street , all with fags in hands with a big cloud of smoke over them just came to mind

silverharp

Cheap Ryanair flight, and load up

graduate

With all the sad things and bad news going on in this country, the plight of antisocial bowsies smokers is not high on the list.

walrusgumble

Denerick wrote: »

Everyone else gets to protest, why don't we smokers come out in droves? They're taxing our addiction to utter absurdity. I took up tobacco rolling last year to counter the cost, I'd reccomend all do that. But still, I don't even know how much its gone up by because there seems to be some conflicting information, but price increase after price increase all we do is moan rather than do anything. Shouldn't we do something???

the auld rollies are grand once ya get use of them. least one does not have to put up with the causal smoker. funny observations when a scrounger, sorry stranger, looks down on one when they are kind enough to give in to their request for a smoke/fag.

still what annoys me is, if fags go up, how come the booze is not touched.i know years ago many TDs were publicans and frequent patrons but how many are still there now? its not like cigarrettes are responsible for the violence that occurs during the weekend.

we have our smoking areas, now what else do these sensitive lung types want, our blood? look all joking a side, we are aware of the severe dangers of cancer etc, but sure we can get that even without smoking. we will die one day, can we not have at least our god damn dignity to light one up.

the amount of chewing gum and food stores that are going to do well? l

walrusgumble

Robbo wrote: »

Be less callow and give up?

NEVER ! NEVER! NEVER!

sceptre

walrusgumble wrote: »

still what annoys me is, if fags go up, how come the booze is not touched.l

Cynical sort that I am, I'd say it's because this increase has nothing to do with nudging people towards stopping - it's about as small an increase that could have been made apart from a non-increase. It's because you're far more likely to have a few beers less a week if that went up instead. This one's solely a money-raiser.

Liam Byrne

sceptre wrote: »

It's because you're far more likely to have a few beers less a week if that went up instead.

The FF TDs-that-are-publicans would hate that, that's for sure!

F1ngers

Denerick wrote: »

Everyone else gets to protest, why don't we smokers come out in droves? They're taxing our addiction to utter absurdity. I took up tobacco rolling last year to counter the cost, I'd reccomend all do that. But still, I don't even know how much its gone up by because there seems to be some conflicting information, but price increase after price increase all we do is moan rather than do anything. Shouldn't we do something???

Find a way to cure your addiction (I did, it's called quitting) and you could save yourself up to and over €60 p/w.

Do something???...give them up and you won't have to whinge about paying an extra 25%....

marcsignal

www.tobaccoonline.co.uk

i've been buying mine here since september

43Euro fpr 200 including postage, and youre not breaking any laws, read the small print

SeanW

Why don't you quit smoking? We've known for certain since the 1970s that tobacco smoking causes cancer and other ill health effects, and is addictive ... why so many people still do it I will never understand.

It has been truthfully said that "Living well is the best revenge" (George Herbert). Something for peed off smokers to keep in mind.

seanybiker

marcsignal wrote: »

www.tobaccoonline.co.uk

i've been buying mine here since september

43Euro fpr 200 including postage, and youre not breaking any laws, read the small print

Deadly. Never even thought about buying em online.

marcsignal

SeanW wrote: »

Why don't you quit smoking?

well you're dead right SeanW, in all seriousness, i have it in mind to quit tbh, but in the meantime i don't want to be ripped off.

artyeva

marcsignal wrote: »

www.tobaccoonline.co.uk

i've been buying mine here since september

43Euro fpr 200 including postage, and youre not breaking any laws, read the small print

this is tempting but i'd be worried about getting caught by customs or something - i'm searching the t+c's but i'm confused - how is it NOT breaking the law???

seanybiker

artyeva wrote: »

this is tempting but i'd be worried about getting caught by customs or something - i'm searching the t+c's but i'm confused - how is it NOT breaking the law???

There is bound to be a way around it. Maybe the money you are giving them is a donation to keep the site going and they are sending you the smokes as a "present" or some crap like that.

Denerick

SeanW wrote: »

Why don't you quit smoking? We've known for certain since the 1970s that tobacco smoking causes cancer and other ill health effects, and is addictive ... why so many people still do it I will never understand.

It has been truthfully said that "Living well is the best revenge" (George Herbert). Something for peed off smokers to keep in mind.

Look, this is an attitude I dispise.

Smokers smoke because they get a little enjoyment from it. They know themselves the logical thing to do is to quit. But we smoke anyway. Just like people eat nineteen Dairy Milks in one sitting, or who drink a flagging of Jameson just before they hit town - They do these things because they get enjoyment from them. Is it wise? Of course not, and yes we all should give them up, just like we all should quit drinking and eat nothing but carrots all day long. But frankly a bad habit is a bad habit, we all have them in one way or the other. If you eat crisps regularly apparantly your chances of getting cancer are greatly increased. If you remain over 20 stone for a serious amount of time your chances of getting heart disease, and all manner of obesity related illnesses skyrocket. If you drink too much your brain may shrivel and die, you may get a stroke or a heart attack.

So yes, everyone is aware that everyone has terrible habits. Its just a pity that smokers are always singled out.

walrusgumble

F1ngers wrote: »

Find a way to cure your addiction (I did, it's called quitting) and you could save yourself up to and over €60 p/w.

Do something???...give them up and you won't have to whinge about paying an extra 25%....

does anyone remember teh mad cap campaign during 1997-1999 specially based on teenagers to give up booze (or not to start - lol) and smoking. some of the mad cap ideas, (bearing in mind this is ireland, were resources are not very good) included going absailing (thats great, but can one do that every weekend? maybe the fiachras, siobhans and cabaistes of the world could), mountain climbing etc.

some people like smoking (i know you are aware of that) for some, its there only vice/enjoyment. what smokers are simply saying it that its unfair that their habit, consistently is being hit when there are other vices like betting, booze etc that could be tapped a small bit.

I do understand taxing booze would cause a lot of jobs in the catering / pub industry etc, and i understand hiking up the booze would led to a break over the boarder. but its getting really unfair.

well feck them, i for one shall continue smoking.....

ladies and gentlement, i thank you:D

walrusgumble

SeanW wrote: »

Why don't you quit smoking? We've known for certain since the 1970s that tobacco smoking causes cancer and other ill health effects, and is addictive ... why so many people still do it I will never understand.

It has been truthfully said that "Living well is the best revenge" (George Herbert). Something for peed off smokers to keep in mind.

how many road fatalities are caused by tobacco smoking?

how many fights on the streets each weekend? (with the exception of some scanger asking for a light/smoke)

how many families have being damaged via domestic violence by simply tobacco smoking?

how many people have fell into states of depression etc, due to their tobacco smoking?

yes, smoking is a bad habit, yes it can often not only cause problems for the smokers health but also to others who the smoker is being inconsiderate to. but there are worse matters plauging the country and damn all is done about them, even moderately.

jusk

destroyer wrote: »

Go on strike and refuse to smoke.

A Lucky Strike?




:pac:

SeanW

Denerick wrote: »

Look, this is an attitude I dispise.

Smokers smoke because they get a little enjoyment from it.

Yeah, in much the same way that a heroin addict gets "a little enjoyment" from sticking himself with needles. Doesn't make it any less insane. And BTW not all non-smokers do the things you mentioned below, there are other things that people do for enjoyment, trainspotting, fishing, sailing, car modding, motorcycling, listening to music, and other hobbies. You don't have to smoke, get plastered or eat 19 Milkybars in one go to have a good time.

So yes, everyone is aware that everyone has terrible habits. Its just a pity that smokers are always singled out.

That's because smokers suffer from an addiction, the continuance of which is logically indefensible.

walrusgumble wrote: »

some people like smoking (i know you are aware of that) for some, its there only vice/enjoyment.

Some people also like "shooting" heroin.

well feck them, i for one shall continue smoking.....

If you really want to smoke well, fair enough. But don't expect a heap of sympathy from people who do not share your addiction, people who never took a cigarette and are happy they're not missing anything as a result.

It remains the fact that the strongest statement you can make about this tax, is to stop paying it.

Denerick

All we are saying is that we're sick of constantly being targeted with every budget. It makes matters worse when all the newspapers ever comment on is that 'Irish blah blah blah society is outraged that cigarette prices weren't raised to 10euro a pack... Won't someone please think of the children!'

Honestly, we are easy targets and its unfair. Thats all I'm saying. The self righteous pricks who feel they have a 'responsibility' to 'remind' people that its bad for you can go to hell frankly.

ionix5891

Denerick wrote: »

All we are saying is that we're sick of constantly being targeted with every budget. It makes matters worse when all the newspapers ever comment on is that 'Irish blah blah blah society is outraged that cigarette prices weren't raised to 10euro a pack... Won't someone please think of the children!'

Honestly, we are easy targets and its unfair. Thats all I'm saying. The self righteous pricks who feel they have a 'responsibility' to 'remind' people that its bad for you can go to hell frankly.

who will pay for your healtcare when you grow older and succumb to a wide range of diseases due to smoking?

yep thats right the taxpayer

yee should be taxed to hell or made illegal to get any healthcare even if you are about to die in a public hospital in this country

so stfu and be happy that its only 25cents more, yee people are costing this country millions (if not billions)

ArmaniJeanss

Denerick wrote: »

All we are saying is that we're sick of constantly being targeted with every budget. It makes matters worse when all the newspapers ever comment on is that 'Irish blah blah blah society is outraged that cigarette prices weren't raised to 10euro a pack... Won't someone please think of the children!'

Honestly, we are easy targets and its unfair. Thats all I'm saying. The self righteous pricks who feel they have a 'responsibility' to 'remind' people that its bad for you can go to hell frankly.

(disclaimer ex-Smoker, but still smoke a bit when I'm in cheaper countries on holidays).

The ASH bloke pisses me off totally.
I remember 3 years ago his complaint was that 'it was a disgrace' that cigarettes here were cheaper than the UK, despite the fact that this actually made us the second dearest in Europe.

Now through a combination of a succession of 50c/75c yearly budget increases and currency fluctuations we now actually are dearer than the UK, and thus I believe the dearest in Europe.

And still he's bleating on and on about what a disgrace the price of cigarettes are.
He would do his cause a lot more good if he gave credit to the goverment for what they've actually done.
Personally I'd love it if the media outlets had the guts just to totally ignore his fax which inevitably must arrive about 10 minutes after every budget.
He seems to get media attention totally out of proportion to what he deserves.

walrusgumble

ionix5891 wrote: »

who will pay for your healtcare when you grow older and succumb to a wide range of diseases due to smoking?

yep thats right the taxpayer

yee should be taxed to hell or made illegal to get any healthcare even if you are about to die in a public hospital in this country

so stfu and be happy that its only 25cents more, yee people are costing this country millions (if not billions)

right adolf!

dont confuse the smoker with the ordinary scrounger/slacker. you'd swear smokers never have, nor never will be liable to tax, be it vat, income etc

i suppose we should give up using the heavy on the petrol cars and get the rusty bikes out, or turn off the emerssion and lights.

or maybe cut down on the fast food and buckets of alcohol at the weekend?

i believe the smoker is paying quiete a far share of tax unlike certain members of high society.

you do realise that at least a third of the time, patients did not have to go in to hospital. will please someone provide the stats as to the highest cause of cancer in ireland. i dont know about you, but unfortunately most people i know who have suffered or suffer cancer never smoked in their life.

anyway

heil!

Denerick

Thanks for that!

There is a perception that if you smoke you are destined to die at fifty with no blood left and a heart just about to explode. With about 10 tumors running about you. Even if that were true, we're paying enough tax to have 10 special smoking related illness hospitals. I think some of the more ignorant posts here don't seem to realise we tax our ciggys more than anywhere else in Europe, and prices are kept artifically high for the sake of the children. I suppose the individuals free choice is a distant memory. All hail the wisdom and benevolence of the state! Only she, the great nanny, may decide what I do when I get up in the morning.

While we're at it, lets tax the hell out of people who use pavements. After all, its people like that who cross the road which lead to so many road fatalities in this country. And swimmers too. Think of all the ambulance crews who have had to rush to Lakes to save drowning people?

walrusgumble

SeanW wrote: »

Yeah, in much the same way that a heroin addict gets "a little enjoyment" from sticking himself with needles. Doesn't make it any less insane. And BTW not all non-smokers do the things you mentioned below, there are other things that people do for enjoyment, trainspotting, fishing, sailing, car modding, motorcycling, listening to music, and other hobbies. You don't have to smoke, get plastered or eat 19 Milkybars in one go to have a good time.

That's because smokers suffer from an addiction, the continuance of which is logically indefensible.

Some people also like "shooting" heroin.

If you really want to smoke well, fair enough. But don't expect a heap of sympathy from people who do not share your addiction, people who never took a cigarette and are happy they're not missing anything as a result.

It remains the fact that the strongest statement you can make about this tax, is to stop paying it.

for the love of god. how many people do you actually think or know who "shoot" up herion. bloody hell its not like its like for like, now is it ? (maybe you should not bother answering that)

one question. would you have a problem if they put up the price on say another potentially highly addictive drug like say.... alcohol? take the fact that alot of jobs are tied to this industry, state why, if you have a problem with it, that price should say; considering, alcohol does some quiete obvious and clear damage to the public at oh say saturday night-sunday morning all over the country, particularily in abbra - be careful you might see someone shooting up

i am not asking for sympathy by the way, i dont think anyone is. smokers are grown ups, i am sure a majority of them can stand by their actions. "my addiction", i was feeling sorry for sounding tw*tty to you up above, but sod it, you make it sound like some smarmy little c**t - jesus you make it sound like smokers are scumbags.

if smokers are inconsiderate and smoke in front of or at non smokers fair enough, that is scumbaggery. but you look at all the smoking areas in pubs and clubs - a fair deal of them are causal scroungers sorry smokers.

anyway most of what you are saying is fair point

peace

marcsignal

artyeva wrote: »

this is tempting but i'd be worried about getting caught by customs or something - i'm searching the t+c's but i'm confused - how is it NOT breaking the law???

You pay the duty in Spain (AFAIK) the parcel is listed as a gift, I dunno how that works legally (technically speaking) but I've bought 200 every fortnight or thereabouts since september last, and the parcel has never been intercepted. now that could just be just luck.

the other alternative is to get someone you know in europe to send them to you, but to remove them from the carton, and repack them in a different shape. I understand that the dimensions of the original carton/parcel usually give the game away.

artyeva

thanks for that marcsignal :pac:

i might give them a go so and see how i get on

Dannyboy83

ionix5891 wrote: »

who will pay for your healtcare when you grow older and succumb to a wide range of diseases due to smoking?

yep thats right the taxpayer

yee should be taxed to hell or made illegal to get any healthcare even if you are about to die in a public hospital in this country

so stfu and be happy that its only 25cents more, yee people are costing this country millions (if not billions)

This argument is actually innaccurate.

Non-smoking, non obese people cost the most.
Obese, smokers cost the least.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22995659/
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=18711498
http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/latestnews/Healthy-people-39more-of-a.3742577.jp

Dannyboy83

To the OP, I quit smoking 6 weeks ago with my girlfriend.
You should seriously give it a shot, you have more incentive to do it now than ever with the prices.
If I can do it, anyone can do it.

It was as much the principal of the matter for me as much as anything.
I just felt that, if I come here and whinge & moan about the government, but I continue to smoke and pay for this evil administration, then really I'm just a hypocrite and would be better off locking my account.

I know hatred of this evil administration doesn't count for much when you're hanging for a fag, but since I quit I've gotten back into training and its had a few other positives spin offs.
I worked out that with all the money we lost on the budget, we probably offset a large chunk (tho not all) of the loss by quitting smoking.
That said however, if you don't quit I don't blame you, I know how hard it is and some of us need our crutches.


Anyway, I was just asking the smokers among my pals and family today about where they bought their cigarettes, and NOT ONE bought in an Irish shop (i.e. all bought some form of contraband):eek:

The recent statistics said that 1 in 4 packs was illegal, from my understanding, it is more like 1 in 4 packs are legal!!:eek:

Dannyboy83

Oh, by the way, if you buy cigarettes, be sure they are not from Switzerland - I know several people who developed heart problems after smoking the swiss cigarettes. Don't ask me how, but this is the truth.
If the Asian guys are offering you cheap Marlboro, make sure they are not the crappy filipino white filter (Romanian Marlboro are the same, white filter).
The new Russian LM are good to go and no longer taste like Nail polish, although I still thought the Ukranain stuff was rank the last time I tried it.
Polish & Lithuanian Marlboro Light are probably the best quality easily available, unless you get buddies to sent them in from Spain.


Stick to the obvious places when buying

Denerick

Dannyboy83 wrote: »

Oh, by the way, if you buy cigarettes, be sure they are not from Switzerland - I know several people who developed heart problems after smoking the swiss cigarettes. Don't ask me how, but this is the truth.
If the Asian guys are offering you cheap Marlboro, make sure they are not the crappy filipino white filter (Romanian Marlboro are the same, white filter).
The new Russian LM are good to go and no longer taste like Nail polish, although I still thought the Ukranain stuff was rank the last time I tried it.
Polish & Lithuanian Marlboro Light are probably the best quality easily available, unless you get buddies to sent them in from Spain.


Stick to the obvious places when buying

Where do you get this bootleg tobacco? I smoke rolling tobacco these days but always wondered about this. I have a mate who goes home to Poland every 3 months or so and brings me back a 10 pack but what does everyone else do? Dodgy eastern guys on street corners?

thebman

Don't know why they don't insist the packs sold in Ireland have a special marking on them over other countries and on the spot fine people who don't have this marking on their pack/cig.

Would surely cut down on the people trying to evade the high tax on cigs.

K4t

Denerick wrote: »

Everyone else gets to protest, why don't we smokers come out in droves? They're taxing our addiction to utter absurdity. I took up tobacco rolling last year to counter the cost, I'd reccomend all do that. But still, I don't even know how much its gone up by because there seems to be some conflicting information, but price increase after price increase all we do is moan rather than do anything. Shouldn't we do something???

Yes, you must seize the GPO immediately.

ardmacha

how many road fatalities are caused by tobacco smoking?

Quite a few, smokers have 50% more accidents than non smokers
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12716567

it is not clear whether this is caused by smoking per se or the fact that smokers are irresponsible people.

ArmaniJeanss

thebman wrote: »

Don't know why they don't insist the packs sold in Ireland have a special marking on them over other countries and on the spot fine people who don't have this marking on their pack/cig.

Would surely cut down on the people trying to evade the high tax on cigs.

Free EU Market area, perfectly legal to be in possession of any product sold in the EU.

Edit: Handful of exceptions, Cars need VRT, Dutch drugs, etc.
Can't see the EU buying an exception for tobacco though.

marcsignal

walrusgumble wrote: »

right adolf!
heil!

LOL !

you're closer than you think walrusgumble :pac:

SeanW

One of the few things that nutter got right.

walrusgumble

marcsignal wrote: »

LOL !

you're closer than you think walrusgumble :pac:

great link

i would like to say that that was the whole point of m comment, but alas i cant:(

Dannyboy83

Denerick wrote: »

Where do you get this bootleg tobacco? I smoke rolling tobacco these days but always wondered about this. I have a mate who goes home to Poland every 3 months or so and brings me back a 10 pack but what does everyone else do? Dodgy eastern guys on street corners?

No, don't buy from street corners.
I'm not going to say on the forum, but suffice to say, if you know any non-nationals or any non-national retailers etc., then you're halfway there.

A little bit of imagination - people going to Spain can pay for half their plane tickets by selling cheap cigarettes to buddies.

If they buy in Spain for 25 a sleeve, thats E25 cost
They can sell here for 50 a sleeve, thats E25 profit.

Do that with 5 to 10 boxes, and they've made 150-250 Euro profit.
Thats better than drug dealing.

A person could basically go on holidays to Spain for free by doing that.
I would prefer to do it like that because you are sure the money is going to a relative and not to a drug dealer or a terrorist, which is apparently a big problem in London.

thebman wrote: »

Don't know why they don't insist the packs sold in Ireland have a special marking on them over other countries and on the spot fine people who don't have this marking on their pack/cig.

Would surely cut down on the people trying to evade the high tax on cigs.

Technically, they already do.
Big government seals of authenticity.
The thing is, if you're ever question, it was a gift!
You just happen to have a pal from TimbuckTwo who brought you cigarettes last week:D

This is more to stop people buying fake cigarettes than to prevent smuggling tho.
Recently there was a massive haul of cigarettes from Asia which apparently were stacked with saw dust and all kinds of sh*te. Hard to know what you can believe of course, could be just scaremongering too............if I could tell the difference between Russian and Irish cigarettes just by one drag, I'm pretty sure I'd be able to determine the difference between tobacco and sawdust, LOL

DublinWriter

ionix5891 wrote: »

who will pay for your healtcare when you grow older and succumb to a wide range of diseases due to smoking?

yep thats right the taxpayer

Yes, that's right, non-smokers will never require expensive palliative care towards the end of their lives because they are, in fact, immortal.

Such BS - we smokers actually *CONTRIBUTE* to society by *DYING EARLY* hence using up *LESS STATE PENSION RESOURCES*

Just ask any actuary.

Sorry for SHOUTING but I'm dying for a SMOKE.

ionix5891

DublinWriter wrote: »

Yes, that's right, non-smokers will never require expensive palliative care towards the end of their lives because they are, in fact, immortal.

Such BS - we smokers actually *CONTRIBUTE* to society by *DYING EARLY* hence using up *LESS STATE PENSION RESOURCES*

Just ask any actuary.

Sorry for SHOUTING but I'm dying for a SMOKE.

why dont you go contribute to society and shoot yourself now

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/7654153.stm

Treating smokers costs the NHS in England £2.7bn a year, compared with £1.7bn a decade ago, a report claims.

now i wonder how much they collect from smokers in England per year in cigarate taxes

and whats the figures are for Ireland


so far there have been alot of replies with fud but little in the way of facts and figures


please show me a figure that shows that smokers pay more in taxes than they cost the economy in health etc and then we can talk about how unfair taxes on cigarettes are

smallBiscuit

Lets deal with the 'fact' that smokers are costing the poor innocent public billions in health care.


I think the tax return on smoking is around 40 or 50 percent. That's about €3.50 for every pack sold.
Your average smoker smokes a pack a day at €8.35, by 365 days is €3050 a year, of which 1250 is tax. You smoke for 40 years, making 50,000 in 'profit' for the govie.
Now your older, get lung cancer and die, oh the expense to the public, but you have private health care, which pays for that and you are not a cost, and your state pension is no longer required.

I think smokers should be encouraged, praised for the public service they provide. It's those selfish non smoking b******* that cost more, they dont provide the revenue to the govie and they live longer:D

thebman

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

Edit: Handful of exceptions, Cars need VRT, Dutch drugs, etc.
Can't see the EU buying an exception for tobacco though.

I think they would. If we want to come down harder on a drug such as cigs then I'm guessing the EU would support that. Why would they be against it?

DublinWriter

smallBiscuit wrote: »

Lets deal with the 'fact' that smokers are costing the poor innocent public billions in health care.


I think the tax return on smoking is around 40 or 50 percent. That's about €3.50 for every pack sold.

You think wrong.

The figure in Ireland is 61%.

Don't you just love non-smoking puritans? I define a puritan as a person who thinks that someone, somewhere else, is having more fun than he is.

gizmo555

Denerick wrote: »

Smokers smoke because they get a little enjoyment from it. They know themselves the logical thing to do is to quit. But we smoke anyway. Just like people eat nineteen Dairy Milks in one sitting, or who drink a flagging of Jameson just before they hit town . . . .But frankly a bad habit is a bad habit, we all have them in one way or the other. If you eat crisps regularly apparantly your chances of getting cancer are greatly increased. If you remain over 20 stone for a serious amount of time your chances of getting heart disease, and all manner of obesity related illnesses skyrocket. If you drink too much your brain may shrivel and die, you may get a stroke or a heart attack.

So yes, everyone is aware that everyone has terrible habits. Its just a pity that smokers are always singled out.

The difference between smoking and all the other bad habits you mention is that is possible to drink alcohol, eat chocolate or crisps in moderation with no ill effects or possibly even with positive health benefits.

Smoking, on the other hand, is always harmful to health - there is no safe level at which it isn't.

smallBiscuit

gizmo555 wrote: »

The difference between smoking and all the other bad habits you mention is that is possible to drink alcohol, eat chocolate or crisps in moderation with no ill effects or possibly even with positive health benefits.

Smoking, on the other hand, is always harmful to health - there is no safe level at which it isn't.

Life is bad for the health, no point in worrying about it.
I'm giving up from tomorrow, but I'm giving up because my clothes smell and the cost.
Giving up smoking will not make me life forever, I may live a couple of years more, but add in the risks of dementia or Alzheimer's or just general deterioration and the bit that smokes take off your life are pretty crappy anyway

Also the way the gov are buggering up the economy, I'll probably die from starvation when they take us back to a famine era economy efore smokes or anything else has a chance to kill me