Rotterdam winning times

Racing Flat

1Ducan KibetKenia1eMSR2:04:27

2James KwambaiKenia2eMSR2:04:27





2 fellows inside the old world record? Seems to have gone unnoticed. This must have been a phenomenal race.


http://www.fortismarathonrotterdam.co.uk/

Running Bing

Racing Flat wrote: »

1Ducan KibetKenia1eMSR2:04:27

2James KwambaiKenia2eMSR2:04:27





2 fellows inside the old world record? Seems to have gone unnoticed. This must have been a phenomenal race.


http://www.fortismarathonrotterdam.co.uk/

Wow, that is amazing racing.

Funny how once a barrier is broken more and more people go under it....I imagine it will be a while before we see another sub 2.04 though

Pherekydes

Racing Flat wrote: »

2 fellows inside the old world record? Seems to have gone unnoticed. This must have been a phenomenal race.

Not sure if I'm reading you right, but Gebrselassie has the two fastest marathon times on record: 2:03:57 and 2:04:26.

Rotterdam:

1. Duncan Kibet, Ken 2:04:27 PB
2. James Kwambai, Ken 2:04:27 PB (correct)
3. Abel Kirui, Ken 2:05:04 PB
4. Patrick Makau, Ken 2:06:14 PB debut
5. Jackson Kipkoech, Ken 2:08:54
6. Alfred Kering, Ken 2:09:19 PB
7. Mesfin Ademasu, Eth 2:09:32 PB
8. Robert Kipcumba, Ken 2:09:54 PB debut

Paris:

1. Vincent Kipruto Limo (KEN) 2:05:47 (PB)
2. Bazu Worku (ETH) 2:06:15 (debut)
3. David Kemboi Kiyeng (KEN) 2:06:26 (PB)
4. Yemane Adhane (ETH) 2:06:30 (PB)
5. Rachid Kisri (MAR) 2:06:48 (PB)
6. David Mandago Kipkorir (KEN) 2:06:53 (PB)
7. Jonathan Kosgei Kipkorir (KEN) 2:07:31 (PB)
8. Shadrack Kipchumba Kiplagat (KEN) 2:08:11
9. John Kipkorir Komen (KEN) 2:08:12
10. Daniel Too Kiprugut (KEN) 2:08:38 (PB)
11.CHELANGA, Abraham (KENYA) 02:08:43
12.KIBIWOTT, Francis (KENYA) 02:09:13

And along with those 20 sub 2:10's there was also 4 sub 1 hour in a half marathon in Berlin.

That's 20 Kenyans in total running either sub 2:10 or 60 mins on the same day! The others were 3 Ethiopians and one Moroccan. The Ethiopians also claimed a clean sweep in the Carlsbad 5k.

Running Bing

Pherekydes wrote: »

That's 20 Kenyans in total running either sub 2:10 or 60 mins on the same day! The others were 3 Ethiopians and one Moroccan. The Ethiopians also claimed a clean sweep in the Carlsbad 5k.

That really is astonishing.....makes you wonder if European/American athletes will ever be competitive again?

limerickleader

Babybing wrote: »

That really is astonishing.....makes you wonder if European/American athletes will ever be competitive again?

I dunno, the likes of Ryan Hall have gone sub-60 in the half and have posted pretty good marathon times at a relatively young age...suppose it depends on how he will handle the exposure etc now as to whether he will be able to mix it on the biggest stage with the East Africans.

Racing Flat

Pherekydes wrote: »

Not sure if I'm reading you right, but Gebrselassie has the two fastest marathon times on record: 2:03:57 and 2:04:26.

Sorry, my bad, I thought the old record was 2.04.29

--amadeus--

The Rotterdam course loops back on itself so that runners at 26 - 28kms can see runners at 38-40kms (roughly). I was lucky enough to be on the outward leg when the elites came back in the inward leg. The two leaders were boxed in by motorbikes but it was amazing to see the rest of them up close, thier running grace at that speed and that distance in is phenomenal, they looked a lot more comfortable then me and those around me did! For ordinary runners like myself it really drives home home talented these guys are when you see the size of teh gap - it makes it real in a way that reading a pace chart can't.

Abhainn

I could only watch mid section of the Rotterdam race on the web but was I pieed off when I saw the winning times when I got back!

ecoli

Paris:

1. Vincent Kipruto Limo (KEN) 2:05:47 (PB)

Is it just me or is this absolutely mind boggling considering that he is only twenty one, could we see him as the person who can go on to edge closer to the two hour mark in years to come?

shels4ever

The Kenyans seems to really target Marathons now, maybe a reason they have dropped off a little in the world XC , It was some weekend for them in both Marathons.

ss43

ecoli wrote: »

Paris:

1. Vincent Kipruto Limo (KEN) 2:05:47 (PB)

Is it just me or is this absolutely mind boggling considering that he is only twenty one, could we see him as the person who can go on to edge closer to the two hour mark in years to come?

I wouldn't pay too much attention to Kenyan ages. A lot of them seem to be quite dubious. If they're not, then they tend to peak a lot earlier than us so either way it's not really the same as a 21 year old Irish person running a good time.

I haven't heard of him before. Has he been around long? That'd be a better indicator of how much progresss he can make.

Babybing wrote: »

That really is astonishing.....makes you wonder if European/American athletes will ever be competitive again?

If they get the finger out and train properly they can be competitive. Prevailing attitudes around here don't seem to lend themselves to promoting that though. America seems to have taken a step in the right direction and is making progress.

If kids are very active and healthy growing up and then train hard from their mid-teens on they can be world class. We have very few people in this situation which is why we produce very few world class athletes.

Slogger Jogger

Again I'd echo Amadeus's post there. Those lead guys just looked so composed and flowing in their running style and they had quite a gap ahead of other runners. You'd wonder when the winner saw the winning time if he thought he could have pushed a bit harder. 1 second a mile more would have pipped the world record just about.

mrak

ss43 wrote: »

If they get the finger out and train properly they can be competitive. Prevailing attitudes around here don't seem to lend themselves to promoting that though. America seems to have taken a step in the right direction and is making progress.

If kids are very active and healthy growing up and then train hard from their mid-teens on they can be world class. We have very few people in this situation which is why we produce very few world class athletes.

I'd agree with that but not all people are created equal. I'd say that if "skinny kids with lots of slow twitch fibres and great aerobic capacity" are active and healthy and train hard from their mid-teens then they can be world class. Not everyone is put together right. If most people train hard then they will simply be very good, possibly regional or national class.

The genetics debate is rightly controversial, but I don't think it's true to put all our lack of success down to laziness. This article here is one view. I'd say that it's a factor - east africans are more likely to be narrow/skinny than west africans for example and more likely to be better distance runners. One stat in the article is interesting:

The Nandi district, 500,000 people–one-twelve-thousandth of Earth's population–sweeps an unfathomable 20 percent [of international distance running events]

If that's true it's amazing.