ideas?

thealltimelow

looking to get a new guiter here must be a electric gibson so which one will i get

Alanstrainor

looking to get a new guiter here must be a gubsion so which one will i get

One of these would probably do you:

Ravelleman

Um...

CianRyan

Alanstrainor wrote: »

One of these would probably do you:

Ehh...
What?

Creamy Goodness

playing a practical joke as the OP originally typed gubsion instead of gibson.

:pac:

CianRyan

Hahahaha, didn't spot the edit.

Kuddos!

Doctor J

Gubsion, eh?

Probably as good as the real thing anyway

Quattroste

You're all very helpful today, well it is Friday I guess.

I'd recommend a Gibson SG standard as I want one. Other than that a Les Paul maybe. Other than that get a Gibson style guitar made by another brand.

Seziertisch

Have a look on Adverts. There is a Les Paul Studio Gem (with P90 pickups) for sale. The price seems pretty good as well. Could be worth checking out. Otherwise if you are not looking for only Gibson, there are a few nice Fenders for around the 6-700 Euro mark.

darrenw5094

I played a Gibson Explorer USA made, recently, for about 44 seconds.....it was rotten. So don't buy one of those.

An early 90's Les Paul Standard would be my choice. There isn't a big choice really, if you stick to Gibson.

Why does it have to be Gibson anyway???
I aquired a Korean Schecter C1 Plus recently and it is savage.....with a pickup replacement of Seymour Duncans.......sure what else would you put in a mahogany guitar.

thealltimelow

going to get a lespaul but which one? i have 1200 to buy one

darrenw5094

Second hand Les Paul Standard 93' or so. Quality went down hill a few years ago, so 90's for me. Should be in your price range.

I tried to sell a 2005 Gibson Les Paul Standard in ebony last year for €1000 and couldn't sell it. Ended up trading it for a 2 week old Music Man Axis.

Seziertisch

I'd check this out if I were you.

http://www.adverts.ie/showproduct.php?product=102543&cat=16

I'm not the guy selling it, nor do I know the guy selling it, but it looks like it could be worth investigating. If there is a problem with posting this link, mods, let me know.

http://reviews.harmony-central.com/reviews/Guitar/product/Gibson/Les+Paul+Studio+Gem/10/1

Kenny_D

Gibsons are seriously over rated. Have a look at an edwards or a tokai and get yourself a better guitar while saving some money

population

Tokai +1

But must be Japanese not Korean or Chinese

darrenw5094

Japanese Tokia or Edwards would be as good as USA Gibson, if not better for about half the price. But the OP is set on a Gibson. Good enough for Slash, so they can't be that bad!!

Last Angry Man

You should go for a flying V - and not just because I have one for sale on Adverts....

spoonbadger

darrenw5094 wrote: »

Japanese Tokia or Edwards would be as good as USA Gibson, if not better for about half the price. But the OP is set on a Gibson. Good enough for Slash, so they can't be that bad!!

That's debatable...


And Slash didnt use gibsons, he used a max les paul.

To the OP, before you take the plunge on a gibson, you should know that they have a lot of problems!!.

1. Original Les Pauls were made of solid mahogany and maple. Modern gibsons have holes drilled in them, to try and keep the weight down, because the cheap mahogany they use these days is heavier than good quality wood.
2. Proper les pauls have a neck that joins deeply into the body (ie. a long neck tenon). You can see the difference between modern gibsons and original les pauls in that pic above.
3. Quality control has gone downhill with gibson too, although this really depends on the individual guitar.
4. The PRICE!!. Gibsons are pointlessly expensive!!. They're the marshall MGs of the guitar market, jacking up the price because of the name on the headstock.

There's a company called Bacchus that's based in japan. They make some of the best gibson copies on the market today, and for a lot less too!. Most bacchus les pauls have none of the problems that i mentioned above with gibsons, and for a smaller price tag. They'd be my recomendation.

boycey

Hmmm. I love these threads!!
Now - bear with me cos I ramble!!
As you can see alltimelow, the general feeling amongst the regulars here is that Gibson guitars are not worth the money they cost.
Why? Spoonbadger has pretty much covered that one already. The quality of workmanship you get for the prices charged just doesn't add up.
You want a really good Gibson? - go custom shop and pay three or four grand for the pleasure. Or if you have the time and the resources go out and play every Gibson Les Paul you can get your hands on till you find a good one. There are indeed plenty of good ones out there, but you or I shouldn't have to trawl through mountains of firewood just to find one that really rocks your socks off. Its that simple, at the prices they charge every last one of the feckers should be a good one, not one in ten or possibly even a higher ratio!
There are a plethora of other makers out there building Les Paul clones, great Japanese companies like Baccchus (I own one, feckin unreal guitars for the money and superior to Gibson US production models on just about every point of reference you can think of), Orville & Orville by Gibson, Greco, Burny, Tokai, Edwards and on and on and on.... thats just the Japanese stuff, check out the small custom builders on the web like Feline guitars over in the UK, Morgan and a wealth of others if you do a bit of research.
Lastly (if anyone's still reading) I'll point out that the Studio Gem mentioned is mine, and here I am bashing Gibson! Well, its one of the 'good ones', actually the best out of the 4 I've owned and yet it was the cheapest- go figure. And I hope that doesn't come across as a sales pitch- it isnt!
Im on here a year or so and had a bit of an 'almost' heated debate with one or two of the lads here when I joined- I was defending Gibson to the death!!- Ya know what? - I just didnt know better!!
Take your time with that €1200, listen to the advice offered, it will serve you well.
Christ, I even bore myself....

Duff_Man

whats all the fuss about the jap tokais? i had one a few months ago and it was a heap of ****e compared to my standard.....i had to get rid of it in the end! maybe it was just the runt of the litter or somethin but it put me off them

Quattroste

I agree with Duff Man to an extent. I would not recommend the lower end Jap Tokais. They're OK, but so are Gibson. If you have €1200 I would recommend you try for a Tokai LS175 or higher. I have an LS200 and it really is a sweet LP. Bacchus are a different story to the Tokai, Greco, Edwards etc. If you can get any of the Bacchus hand made range (€1200 is just about right) then you are getting a truly fantastic guitar. Bacchus really go out of their way to produce top quality goods. I have 2 Bacchus guitars (no LP's but I have played a few) and I could not fault them in any way. Both were less than the cash you have but not much

Basically for €1200 you should get a guitar that is perfectly made with excellent quality electronics. Go for a Gibson and you run the risk of coming up short here. Good luck in your search.

darrenw5094

Just mentioning Slash in a Gibson thread sets off the debate of who really made his early Les Pauls. We all know the story/truth by this stage.

Anyway, by this stage Slash has a clatter of Gibson Les Pauls and Gibson must have made some of them.

My original point was that, Edwards would be a much cheaper alternative to Gibson. But the OP WANTS a Gibson and advice on which one to buy.

There would be better options, if he wants to be talked out of buying a Gibson.

Is there much of a difference between these 2 Bacchus Les Pauls?
One is €1100 all in and the other is €2000.
http://cgi.ebay.ie/Bacchus-Japan-Duke-Limited-LP-CS-Brazilian-Rose-Flame_W0QQitemZ370142516731QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item370142516731&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318
http://cgi.ebay.ie/New-Bacchus-LP-Duke-Master-P90-Gold-Top_W0QQitemZ390041874306QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item390041874306&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=72%3A1301|66%3A2|65%3A12|39%3A1|240%3A1318

boycey

darrenw5094 wrote: »

My original point was that, Edwards would be a much cheaper alternative to Gibson. But the OP WANTS a Gibson and advice on which one to buy.

There would be better options, if he wants to be talked out of buying a Gibson.

Is there much of a difference between these 2 Bacchus Les Pauls?
One is €1100 all in and the other is €2000.

Good point Darren, if its gotta be a Gibson then which one?
Youve got your Traditional- basically the guitar they've been selling the last 20 years.
The new 2008 Standards seem well specced- the Plek set up should do wonders for QC with the frets, they have a new neck profile though and some seem to like it , others loathe it.
Theres the Classic series and the Antique Classic series- I've always thought these were every bit as good as a Standard.
Then theres the Studios, different pick ups and no binding on the body or neck* (I'll come back to that)
Then ya have all your lower specced specials, faded specials, faded juniors etc. Generally satin finishes and they can be a bit rough and ready but theres some cool stuff there.
Thats a few choices to google, I'm sure I probably left some out.
The neck binding thing I mentioned: Gibson have always had their frets going into the binding on the neck, in little 'nibs'. Problem is fretboards can be succeptible to shrinkage which can cause a tiny step between where the fret ends and the binding starts, causing your high E to snag. It can be very annoying!!
Anyway - I hate when OP's dont come back on their own thread so let us know which, if any, your veering towards and I'm sure you'll get some good advice.

@Darren- I reckon the only differences in those Bacchus are the materials- Brazillian rosewood etc.

darrenw5094

Yep.....and they are only the Les Pauls.
Other Gibsons would be Flying V, SG, Explorer and Firebird too.

If you have to buy a Gibson, a second hand one would be the way i would go.
Like i said before, the Explorer i played recently was rubbish. Felt cheap and hard to play.

Sergio

Or an Ernieball musicman!

Duff_Man

he traditionals are really nice they have a great tone to them....the new 08 standards are ok....id still rather have a non chambered les paul though. the studios are nice enough but i always think they feel a bit cheap to play or something i cant put my finger on it. if i was you i would go the second hand route and try get a decent 90's les paul...you cant go far wrong!

Doctor J

darrenw5094 wrote: »

Is there much of a difference between these 2 Bacchus Les Pauls?
One is €1100 all in and the other is €2000.

As boycey said, Brazilian rosewood. Hey if PRS can lump a premium on them so can everyone else, right?

****, my Iommi Eggle is made entirely out of Brazilian mahogany, screw yer recession, there's my pension right there :pac:

TBH I think it's pretty pointless chucking models of Gibson at the OP, he needs to actually say what kind of guitar he wants other than the brand. Gibson make some very different feeling and sounding models, surely the type of guitar is more relevant than the brand?

Dord

Stop complaining about the quality and price of Gibsons, seriously lads!
It's not like they burned all the old ones. You can buy a better one USED and for cheaper!

I got my Gibson LP Jr for a very reasonable price and the sound and quality is excellent.

boycey

Dord wrote: »

I got my Gibson LP Jr for a very reasonable price and the sound and quality is excellent.

Agreed. I'd also add that it's sexy as fook;)

Quattroste

Dord wrote: »

Stop complaining about the quality and price of Gibsons, seriously lads!

Excuse me DORD, this is a local thread for local people. We don't need your clearly biased view of Gibson just because you have one of the good ones.









WE DIDN'T BURN HIM.